2001 Lincoln LS V-8

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Hey guys I just purchased what seems to be a 2001 LS in great condition. I am totally new to this car and specifically this drive train so I have a basic concern. How durable is the 3.9 V-8 in comparison to other motors? By durable I mean is it a motor that needs to be babied or can it take some abuse?
 
Thanks for the quick input Ghost. I'm familiar with the 5.0HO in my old Mark 7 and know it can take some abuse. How would you compare the 3.9 with the 5.0HO?
 
I couldnt compare to my lack of knowledge with the 5.0HO , I have a 3.9 2nd Gen Ls so that has more power than the first gen Ls , but both need to be taken well care of , coils is a big issue on the 3.9 first gen , if you search around you can see all the issues you have to look out for
 
it has maintenance issues that seem to be needed no matter how the car is treated...



the motor itself seems to be very strong with very few internal failures.


I've had a V6 for about 40k miles(70k total) and I've put about 91k miles on my V8 (157k total) and both motors spent most of their lives above 4k RPMs, and every time it leaves a stop it sees red line at least the first two to three gears... pretty much every time...


in stock to slightly modified condition, the drivetrain is not really a weak point of the car. the only real area of concern that seems to be common (and I would not say widely uncommon) would be the timing chains/tensioners. sooner or later you're gonna need coils and plugs, you're gonna need an overhaul of the plastic cooling parts around the engine, the usual suspension maintenance (SW bar bushings, end links, tie rods). you may have heating/cooling problems, window problems, or sunroof leaking issues. but none of that has to do with the drivetrain. she is a pretty solid built car.
 
stock 302's are pretty reliable, you usually don't see a lot a internal failures until you start adding power adders

the mod motors that replaced them are very reliable (with is why service/police cars are so popular). again they can handle being pushed pretty good and can take a bit of modding before the internals need strengthening (I don't like the term "taking some abuse as abuse" cause even a built race motor can be damaged by abuse)


while I don't believe our motors are as bulletproof as a Terminator, they don't seem to have any more problems than regular twin cam 4.6's. hell the trans is a variant of a mustang trans, what more do you need?

if you are going to push it harder for longer, a sport model is pretty nice because of the oil and trans cooler.

the key is, if you car is not in great running shape, you shouldn't be beating on it.
 
They aren't very durable. The plastics in the cooling system have to be replaced every 100K miles or so. If any air at all gets into the cooling system the heater doesn't work but the car will overheat. The coil on plug setup is so delicate that the first step to change a tire is to replace the COPs. The plugs have to be replaced at the same time, and if one coil fails they all have to be replaced. If the coils are marginal long enough, the RFI feedback will kill the computer.

Now, I'm going to stir up the car's cheerleaders. This stuff always gets them wound up, but as a new owner you need to know. The engineering is also a mess on this car too, as they decided to go at a lot of things in new ways. Instead of running coolant into a radiator like almost every other car in history since they started putting coolant-based heaters in them, and using a door inside the heater box to control the heat, they put some complicated valving structure in known as the DCCV. On the Gen 1s (your model) they decided to control the alternator with the PCM rather than by using a regulator like every other alternator in the world. What this means is you can only use a Motorcraft alternator, and you can't really add much in the way of powered accessories to the car. In other cars, if you add a high powered stereo system, then add a high power alternator to power it, no problem. On the LS, if the computer decides that the alternator only needs to produce 38 amps, 38 amps is all it will produce even if the draw on the system is 100 amps, and there is no way to alter this. The alternator's power production acts like it is controlled by a PCM table that decides what the power draw should be for a given situation instead of by measuring what the actual draw is. They at least wised up quickly to this one as they dropped this control disaster on the Gen 2s. Then there's putting the fuel filter behind the left front wheel well liner where it's hard to get at but poorly protected against road debris. Hit something hard enough to penetrate the tire and keep going (like a broken leaf spring from a tractor trailer) will punch right through the wheel well liner and into the fuel filter. Then there's the way that if the seal on the back of the hood is missing, water will dump into the COPs and short them out every time it rains.

None of this includes the fact that the car has been out of production long enough that the dealer is no longer making parts for the car, and since the car was low volume this means that some parts are becoming impossible to find new anymore. What makes this worse is a lot of the car is designed to last 100K miles, then replaced. If you want to see the future, go look at a message board for the Buick Reatta.

Not all bad though, for example the brakes only take about 30 minutes per wheel to do, and if you have a bad bearing replacing them only adds about 30 minutes to the job. It would only add 10 minutes to the job because all it is once the brakes are out of the way is three bolts and one wiring plug, except they decided to hide the ABS sensor wire plug behind the wheel well cover, and this is a pain to get out of the way. The entire bearing assembly is a hundred bucks to a side, and you get new lug bolts, a new ABS sensor and new wheel bearings in the package. And they apparently put a little hatch in the floor under the rear seat so you can get at the fuel pump easily.

I don't mind telling you that I wish I'd have researched the LS a bit more before buying, if I had I'd never have bought one.
 
Not all bad though, for example the brakes only take about 30 minutes per wheel to do, and if you have a bad bearing replacing them only adds about 30 minutes to the job. It would only add 10 minutes to the job because all it is once the brakes are out of the way is three bolts and one wiring plug, except they decided to hide the ABS sensor wire plug behind the wheel well cover, and this is a pain to get out of the way. The entire bearing assembly is a hundred bucks to a side, and you get new lug bolts, a new ABS sensor and new wheel bearings in the package. And they apparently put a little hatch in the floor under the rear seat so you can get at the fuel pump easily.

I don't mind telling you that I wish I'd have researched the LS a bit more before buying, if I had I'd never have bought one.

You must be slow. I can do the whole brake job, from the time I walk in the garage until I've washed-up, in about an hour. The hubs (4-bolts) add about 5 minutes per wheel. Replacing the the brake pads on the LS isn't any different than any other car that uses the rear caliper for the parking brake.

Got 123K miles on my '06 with only needing the upper radiator hose. ALL other plastic parts are original.
 
You must be slow. I can do the whole brake job, from the time I walk in the garage until I've washed-up, in about an hour. The hubs (4-bolts) add about 5 minutes per wheel. Replacing the the brake pads on the LS isn't any different than any other car that uses the rear caliper for the parking brake.

Got 123K miles on my '06 with only needing the upper radiator hose. ALL other plastic parts are original.

Yes, I'm a bit slow as I do my own work for relaxation. If I go fast, I finish too soon. I imagine I could knock the job out in half the time if I had to but rushing through it isn't any fun. And I had to revamp my entire cooling system at about 125K miles due to cracks in the degas and a seeping leak in the hard plastic part of the upper radiator hose. The seeping hose was the first sign, this board's recommendation that if one plastic part fails just do them all revealed the degas cracks and the broken thermostat housing tab that caused the thermostat to not work correctly. On the hose, one day it was fine, the next I had coolant seeping out of the little rough casting rectangle on top of the hose.
 
Hey guys I just purchased what seems to be a 2001 LS in great condition. I am totally new to this car and specifically this drive train so I have a basic concern. How durable is the 3.9 V-8 in comparison to other motors? By durable I mean is it a motor that needs to be babied or can it take some abuse?

I think that your biggest concern should be the timing chain tensioners. The 2000-2001 had issues with the tensioners themselves (much improved parts are available now), and with oil supply to the chains. Personally, I would be sure to change the oil every time the message center says to (about 5K miles or six months), and to use a good full synthetic 5W-20 or 0W-20.
 
Remember, as with just about any product, message boards favor the people with bad experiences as people with good experiences don't have much to say!!

A LOT depends on how the well the car was treated; and that goes with ANY make or model. As in another thread someone purchased a repossessed LS. I would stay far, far away from a repossessed car. If they couldn't make the payments they probably didn't keep up with the maintenance and cheaped out on fuel. One takes care of something one lays down their hard-earned income to acquire....... USUALLY!!
 
Don't take my experience as typical, but I offer it here as reality.

I bought my '02 new. It went back to the dealer for oil changes for the first 40K miles because that was part of the original deal. When I started to do it myself I began to use Mobil 1 and have done so since. the car now has 150K+ miles.

All the cooling system components are original including the hoses and the degas bottle. I've not been inside the engine for anything. At a little better than 100K miles, I put Accel Mustang coils on and replaced the plugs.

In '07 I began Land Speed racing under ECTA auspices. I have set records in both E/F CC and E/F SS and still hold the 'CC' record at 140.106. My NX spray system uses methanol with the nitrous oxide to run in CC. The spray system has a 400-450 HP capacity and the pills I've used in competition added between 150-200 HP.

I've replaced the battery twice and am now on my 4th alternator. I'm on my third set of brake pads and my second set of rotors. I'm on my 4th set of Pilot Sport tires and use 18" wheels.

I have a replacement engine partially completed on an engine stand in my storage.

Some one of these days I'll have a confluence of time and money and I'll have a new powerplant running.

KS
 
Wow Telco obviously you've had some horrid experiences with your LS. Hopefully I will have a better experience.
 
Wow Telco obviously you've had some horrid experiences with your LS. Hopefully I will have a better experience.

You may. Some of us have had really good LS experiences.
 
Wow Telco obviously you've had some horrid experiences with your LS. Hopefully I will have a better experience.

A LOT depends on how it was treated. If it was rode hard and put away wet you may have troubles. If it was treated well you should be OK, outside of normal wear items. Yes, plastic parts are wear items and were used to SAVE WEIGHT!! Too many people complain about needing to replace wear items like shocks, brakes, fluids, spark plugs, coils, plastic parts, thermostat, etc. and call a car unreliable. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I would rather deal with the maintenance on the LS than my previous carbureted, non-electronic ignition cars!! We have it easy now days! The car tells us what's wrong!! Which is why most mechanics cant properly diagnose anymore!
 
I will chime in and say it's totally ludicrous when telling someone that it must be a MotorCraft alternator in the 2001 Lincoln LS I have the cheapest aftermarket alternator in my 2001 LS and it's running like a dream
 

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