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ocorral20

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i put 20s on my lincoln a couple months ago and i never noticed this till now...
if i am driving alone there is no problem.. but if i have 3 or 4 people on the car and i hit a dip the real wheels will rub on the fender a lil bit...
i just put new struts on it.. and i didnt think it would do that...
i have a subwoofer box in the back that is pretty heavy... and im sure it just has to do with the weight of all the people in there because it doesnt do it when im alone ... anyone have any suggestions on what i can do to fix or minimize this problem??? anyone had any similar problems???????? i have a 245/35/20 tire
 
...or don't take any friends for a ride. That's the problem with having big wheels like that.

Seriously, you might have to roll the inner fender to avoid clearance problems.
 
Pete 2004 LS V-6 said:
Put the correct wheels and tires on the car and it will work fine.
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now thats a useless answer.... have the fenders rolled. If you got the guts to try it yourself a baseball bat a helping friend and a little patience should get you some good results. have some one hold the bat between the tire and fender. then very very slowly roll foward. well thats how I have done it.
 
2k2ls said:
now thats a useless answer.... have the fenders rolled. If you got the guts to try it yourself a baseball bat a helping friend and a little patience should get you some good results. have some one hold the bat between the tire and fender. then very very slowly roll foward. well thats how I have done it.
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Which are you referring to as a useless answer...fenders being rolled or putting the correct tires and wheels on?

I can't say this enough. 20" and larger wheels were not meant to be on the LS. The unsprung weight of the wheels causes the suspension to work too hard. Now, I will admit that a set of 20" wheels makes the LS look good but if you want handling and ride comfort then you'll never get it with the larger/heavier wheels. I'm even having some rubbing issues with my 18" wheels but it's mostly due to the 8mm hub centric spacers I put on to clear the StopTech Big Brake calipers. I may consider rolling the fenders if it continues.
 
GrayGhost1 said:
Which are you referring to as a useless answer...fenders being rolled or putting the correct tires and wheels on?

I can't say this enough. 20" and larger wheels were not meant to be on the LS. The unsprung weight of the wheels causes the suspension to work too hard. Now, I will admit that a set of 20" wheels makes the LS look good but if you want handling and ride comfort then you'll never get it with the larger/heavier wheels. I'm even having some rubbing issues with my 18" wheels but it's mostly due to the 8mm hub centric spacers I put on to clear the StopTech Big Brake calipers. I may consider rolling the fenders if it continues.
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sorry to jack this thread but ken have you got the big brake kit on the car yet? I really want to see how it looks.
 
I was referring to the putting the correct tires on comment. Hes obviously asking for a way to keep the 20's and get rid of the rubbing. Rolling the fenders would be a helpfull answer. If he likes the rims that he has on the car then the "right" rims are on the car. Ive rolled fenders before on cars. That usually solves most if not all rubbing issues.
 
SolacE said:
sorry to jack this thread but ken have you got the big brake kit on the car yet? I really want to see how it looks.
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I have the StopTech Big Brake kit on and let me tell you....these things are AWESOME! I haven't taken any pics yet just because I just got them on before I went on vacation. I was a little surprised that I had to use 8 mm wheel spacers to clear the big a$$ calipers. This cause the wheels to move farther out and it's caused some rubbing on certain bumps. I'm thinking of rolling the fenders but I have curbed most of the rubbing by adding spring spacers to keep the car from bouncing too much. I will NOT recommend the Monroe Sensatrac shocks if you are looking for a stiffer ride. They are too soft and I think they are softer than the base shocks. I may change the shocks out for the sport version later but for now the spring spacers have helped tremendously and the cost was only $20.
 
2k2ls said:
I was referring to the putting the correct tires on comment. Hes obviously asking for a way to keep the 20's and get rid of the rubbing. Rolling the fenders would be a helpfull answer. If he likes the rims that he has on the car then the "right" rims are on the car. Ive rolled fenders before on cars. That usually solves most if not all rubbing issues.
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Gotcha! :waving:
 
thanks everybody for the input
can anyone give a little more detail on rolling the fenders and how it is done..
i appreciate everybody's help
thanks
 
i would liek to hear how to roll the fenders as well.. i have some 20" lexani' krystals.. and i rub pretty bad.. 40 series tires..
 
LS Gets U Wet said:
put it on 30 series tires
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i think 35 is the lowest profile tire i would go... Michigan has got to have the worst roads.!!!! any info on rollin the fender?
 
thanks for all the info people..
i just got the tires so i really cant just go out and buy a diff size tire... so that doesnt really help me
does anyone out there have any info for rolling the fenders.???
i think that would greatly help me out and i would appreciate anyone who can provide me with such information :)
any pics maybe?
thanks in advance
 
Google is your friend...

Simply put, the inner lip of the fender is "rolled" or actually pressed inwards, away from the center of the hub and towards the actual fender. This will give you a little extra room for the wheel to travel. Usually, a device is installed on the hub and pressure is exerted onto an arm with a roller attached that rolls the fender lip. Or, you can have at it with a wooden mallet and do it yourself. Do it right and it will solve the issue; do it wrong and you'll damage the fender. Not sure where you can get it done professionally... maybe an auto customizing shop; I don't think auto body shops usually cary this stuff:

fenderlip.jpg
 
mholhut said:
Google is your friend...

Simply put, the inner lip of the fender is "rolled" or actually pressed inwards, away from the center of the hub and towards the actual fender. This will give you a little extra room for the wheel to travel. Usually, a device is installed on the hub and pressure is exerted onto an arm with a roller attached that rolls the fender lip. Or, you can have at it with a wooden mallet and do it yourself. Do it right and it will solve the issue; do it wrong and you'll damage the fender. Not sure where you can get it done professionally... maybe an auto customizing shop; I don't think auto body shops usually cary this stuff:

fenderlip.jpg
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That's a pretty sweet setup there. Does Tirerack.com sell that? I need to do that to my car in the rear. The front is fine. The only problem up front is the plastic under lining. It shows where it rubs the most and I can take care of that by pinning it back a little. However, the rear rubs on the inside of the fender lip.

Thanks for the pic Mike!

EDIT: Tirerack.com sells the fender lip rolling tool for $299. Not a bad price if you want it done right. Buy it and then do all your buddies cars for a fee and you can pay for that thing in no time. Also, it looks like they have some nice torque wrenchs. Here's the link to the lip rolling tool:

http://www.tirerack.com/accessories/tools/fenderlip.jsp
 
lexdiamondz10304 said:
Hey ghost were did you get your wheel spacers?
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I got them here:

http://www.wheelspacers.com

Talk with Fred Goeske. He will make any custom wheel spacer and it will be hub centric. It won't be that universal crap you buy at AutoZone or Pep Boys. It is better to measure the inside diameter of the wheel hub. Each wheel is different. However, the diameter of the rotor hub is the same. Fred has all the specs from me. All you'd have to change is the outer diameter of spacer to accomodate your wheels. This ensures a snug fit to the hub once the wheel is on.
 
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someone told me i could put some sort of rubber spacer between the coil springs and that would prevent the car from coming down as far as it does and that would help with the wheels rubbing on the fender
what do you guys think? i have no idea if this would work or not...
they are like little rubber blocks... or so i am told
 
If you want to spend the money, how about air bags??
I have a friend w/ a chevy and they did that to his car to put 22's on it.
Alot of money thoe.
 
ocorral20 said:
someone told me i could put some sort of rubber spacer between the coil springs and that would prevent the car from coming down as far as it does and that would help with the wheels rubbing on the fender
what do you guys think? i have no idea if this would work or not...
they are like little rubber blocks... or so i am told
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This is what I did for the rear. I put in 3/4" spacers between the coils and it has worked like magic. Since I lowered my car the gap between coils was 5/8" and I put in 3/4" spacers. The 1/4" did not make a difference in the hieght. I haven't put any spacers in the front since I do not get any rubbing there.

I'll have to look around for the type of spacer I used. My alignment guy got them for me. They were extremely easy to install. The spacers are not rubber. They are like a hard plastic and come in different sizes.
 
Autozone has some. They are hard plastic that you place between the coils and twist them in with a racket extension.

I think it's 1/4" with one twist, 1/2" with 2. I used them on my daughter's import to solve a rubbing problem.

They also had rubber spacers.
 
anyone have any idea where i can find these? i know someone put autozone and i will check later today any other suggestions???
thanks :)
 
ocorral20 said:
anyone have any idea where i can find these? i know someone put autozone and i will check later today any other suggestions???
thanks :)
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I bought my spring stabilizer spacers from Specialty Products. Here's the link:

http://www.specprod.com/

You will have to call them to order. They weren't on their website. I bought them locally at my alignment shop. They had to order them from Specialty Products. Just tell them you need the coil spring stabilizer spacers.
 
They couldn't get hub centric rings to fit my wheels, so right now I'm riding without them. Sometimes there is a lot of vibration in the steering wheel, othertimes, none. I really need to get some made.
 
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