4.10 or 3.73 carrier and gears wanted for my '97 Mark VIII!

ya know

If I could get about 4 or 5 guys who want setup diff's together I could afford the speciality tools I need to build these things. I've gotten mine together but without the $450 case spreader and a couple other things I can't get the backlash properly adjusted.

I know this doesn't help you at the moment, but if anyone else knows of a few guys who want this done...let me know so I can try and help you all and help myself by getting the tools together.

Justin
 
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97quadcam said:
If I could get about 4 or 5 guys who want setup diff's together I could afford the speciality tools I need to build these things. I've gotten mine together but without the $450 case spreader and a couple other things I can't get the backlash properly adjusted.

I know this doesn't help you at the moment, but if anyone else knows of a few guys who want this done...let me know so I can try and help you all and help myself by getting the tools together.

Justin
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what you would need

gears-$100-200 depending on new or used
trac loc- cheap for just the trac loc probablly $50 or so itself and the rebuild if it needs clutches is $40.80
irs 8.8 rebuild kit is 100.80
Used mark viii pumpkin with or without gears b/t $50-$120

$511.16 on the high side for parts and if we get a few guys together I'll do the labor for $250 each. If you guys can get more than 5 I'll do it for $225 each, 10 or more and I'll do it for $200ea.

I know that $760 is a chunk of change, but most shops that I know charge alot more for this job. I'll leave it up to you guys to find parts. I use max at 5 star or Jason Preslar which I forget where he's out of and both guys are top notch. If you have a known good trac loc you can save that rebuild price and the irs rebuild should include all seals, bearings, shims, pinion nut, and such. The trac loc rebuild includes clutches and friction modifier. If you use a trac loc you MUST have the friction modifier in with the gear lube or the clutches will chatter horribly and may fail. Also if you use someones gears I cannot guarantee that they won't be noisy so purchase at your own risk. I'm the type that would rather wait for a while to do something right than save a few bucks to do a half assed job. That's the reason that I haven't done anything with my diff as of yet. If you guys are interested please let me know as I'm up for the work and been dying to buy the tools.

Justin
 
97quadcam said:
gears-$100-200 depending on new or used
trac loc- cheap for just the trac loc probablly $50 or so itself and the rebuild if it needs clutches is $40.80
irs 8.8 rebuild kit is 100.80
Used mark viii pumpkin with or without gears b/t $50-$120

$511.16 on the high side for parts and if we get a few guys together I'll do the labor for $250 each. If you guys can get more than 5 I'll do it for $225 each, 10 or more and I'll do it for $200ea.

I know that $760 is a chunk of change, but most shops that I know charge alot more for this job. I'll leave it up to you guys to find parts. I use max at 5 star or Jason Preslar which I forget where he's out of and both guys are top notch. If you have a known good trac loc you can save that rebuild price and the irs rebuild should include all seals, bearings, shims, pinion nut, and such. The trac loc rebuild includes clutches and friction modifier. If you use a trac loc you MUST have the friction modifier in with the gear lube or the clutches will chatter horribly and may fail. Also if you use someones gears I cannot guarantee that they won't be noisy so purchase at your own risk. I'm the type that would rather wait for a while to do something right than save a few bucks to do a half assed job. That's the reason that I haven't done anything with my diff as of yet. If you guys are interested please let me know as I'm up for the work and been dying to buy the tools.

Justin
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ok justin where u located and how much for 1 person ? im located in charlotte,north carolina
 
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I'm in Houston. It'll be $250 labor and you find the parts. Or if you want me to find the parts I'll have you send me the full price and a list of what you want new and what you want used. I'll need to know to come up with the price for parts. Or if you want it sooner I can finish mine (given you want 4.10's and a rebuilt trac loc) and can send it to you for the full price which I'll pm you after I get home. If you'd like to call me to discuss this further my cell is 832-656-3102. Also I'll have to get a shipping quote to add to the labor. Which I have never priced for a fully built differential.

Let me know as soon as possible that way I can order what I need in tools to get it done quickly for you.

Justin
 
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Ok guys I can get parts if you need me to. However I will need to know your budget to see what we can work out. I'm trying to get these tools so I can be the goto guy for differentials in the MN-12 and FN-10 chassis cars. I already make a living turning wrenches, I would like to turn them on cars I like. And hopefully soon I can start my own shop.

PM or call me if you have any questions or concerns. Thank you.

Justin
 
97quadcam said:
Ok guys I can get parts if you need me to. However I will need to know your budget to see what we can work out. I'm trying to get these tools so I can be the goto guy for differentials in the MN-12 and FN-10 chassis cars. I already make a living turning wrenches, I would like to turn them on cars I like. And hopefully soon I can start my own shop.

PM or call me if you have any questions or concerns. Thank you.

Justin
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ok well my budget is not a problem but in the long run ill take 4.10 gears and u send me the parts list and how much for everything with ur labor included cause i have noe a idea on where to start ok
 
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Check your pm's.

Anyone else want a rear built please let me know. I have no problems using cast iron if you would prefer that or using a Detroit, Eaton, or even Auburn (though I don't recommend the latter) for you guys who need a little more or alot more strength. I also don't care what gear size you want. I'll do it all. If you have a 3.08 rear and you just want a trac loc installed please let me know I'll do my best to help you all out.

Thank you

Justin
 
97quadcam said:
Check your pm's.

Anyone else want a rear built please let me know. I have no problems using cast iron if you would prefer that or using a Detroit, Eaton, or even Auburn (though I don't recommend the latter) for you guys who need a little more or alot more strength. I also don't care what gear size you want. I'll do it all. If you have a 3.08 rear and you just want a trac loc installed please let me know I'll do my best to help you all out.

Thank you

Justin
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I'm In Houston, and looking for a 3.55 tl chunk ...... but I'm not up for paying anywhere near 700. Too bad you don't have the tools already.
 
hmmm

If you wanted a 3.55 and tl setup it's going to be pricy. Just the gears alone are $200, the tl is between $130-$190 (less if you go with used and add new clutches) the rebuild is about $100. That's right at $500 without labor ($250) or the case (which is usually $80-120). Now if you brought the parts to me and you had all used parts I could do it for $250 for labor, but that's not removal or installation and I will not guarantee a differential with used parts unless it's obviously MY fault. But if those gears whine or the trac lock chatters....it would be all on you.

But for less than $700 I just don't see it happening. Unless I find some way to buy the parts in bulk and do nothing but build differentials. Then I can cut parts and labor...honestly I don't see it coming down a whole lot even then. I definately don't see enough need to put myself further in debt with alot of inventory though.

Guys, do yourselves a favor. Call every differential shop you know, call every FRPP dealer you know and get a cost on parts and labor. Then come back and tell me what it all comes out to be. Also factor in the shipping with it. Can any of you have one built for less than $800? If so then please let me know where you get the parts and what the guys are charging for labor. If they have the parts cheaper let me know so I can deal with them, if they have much cheaper labor then check their reputation, because I doubt they're very honest. I'm not trying to make a fortune off of IRS builds, but I have to get paid for the work I do. And I'm charging cost on the parts if I buy them.

Also if you're in Houston, give me a call and let me know what else you may need. I'll do my best to match or beat others' pricing.
 
Check with these guys : http://www.drivetrainspecialists.com/

Friend of mine dropped off this thundebird there. They pulled the center section, installed 4.10 gears, eaton posi, and all the bearings and seals, put it back together. Total bill $750.

Now, if you don't have goods sources for parts, I don't see it happening for less than that.

I have two sets of Ford 3.55 gears brand new for $150 if anybody needs them. One set is from OEM Ford and the other two FRPP. And yes, there is a difference.
 
97quadcam said:
If you wanted a 3.55 and tl setup it's going to be pricy. Just the gears alone are $200, the tl is between $130-$190 (less if you go with used and add new clutches) the rebuild is about $100. That's right at $500 without labor ($250) or the case (which is usually $80-120). Now if you brought the parts to me and you had all used parts I could do it for $250 for labor, but that's not removal or installation and I will not guarantee a differential with used parts unless it's obviously MY fault. But if those gears whine or the trac lock chatters....it would be all on you.

But for less than $700 I just don't see it happening. Unless I find some way to buy the parts in bulk and do nothing but build differentials. Then I can cut parts and labor...honestly I don't see it coming down a whole lot even then. I definately don't see enough need to put myself further in debt with alot of inventory though.

Guys, do yourselves a favor. Call every differential shop you know, call every FRPP dealer you know and get a cost on parts and labor. Then come back and tell me what it all comes out to be. Also factor in the shipping with it. Can any of you have one built for less than $800? If so then please let me know where you get the parts and what the guys are charging for labor. If they have the parts cheaper let me know so I can deal with them, if they have much cheaper labor then check their reputation, because I doubt they're very honest. I'm not trying to make a fortune off of IRS builds, but I have to get paid for the work I do. And I'm charging cost on the parts if I buy them.

Also if you're in Houston, give me a call and let me know what else you may need. I'll do my best to match or beat others' pricing.
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For a new setup like you're doing .... I'm not familiar with the cost. I wasn't trying to imply you charge too much! Sorry if I came across that way. I've had good luck finding pre built "I'm not using these anymore" chunks and they've been set good so far, and worked great. but now I want 3.55's and am having trouble finding a used chunk at all.

I'm set on 3.55's. I want gears in this car but don't want to run any higher RPM on the road than the 3.55 offers.

I'm in a pickle, I know.
 
m_maker said:
Check with these guys : http://www.drivetrainspecialists.com/

Friend of mine dropped off this thundebird there. They pulled the center section, installed 4.10 gears, eaton posi, and all the bearings and seals, put it back together. Total bill $750.

Now, if you don't have goods sources for parts, I don't see it happening for less than that.

I have two sets of Ford 3.55 gears brand new for $150 if anybody needs them. One set is from OEM Ford and the other two FRPP. And yes, there is a difference.
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I might want a set. Let me do research on which is best first. If you sell them, oh well.
 
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Ya know, it doesn't matter if you think my prices are too high. However, I do need feed back about one thing or another. If there are shops that build them for $750 then I know I have some competition and will have to work hard to get any business. I just see a potential to make some extra money doing something I like to do. I also want to help you guys out since FRPP doesn't offer their ready built chunks anymore.

As far as the 3.55 setup you're not going to have much luck. Most people sell 3.73's or 4.10's since the gears were too steep or they've sold the car and don't need them. Most people don't use 3.55's so it makes it harder to find. If you find all the parts for really cheap...like the gears for $75 and so on I'll build it for $250 and if you want me to install it I'll get you a price on that too. Just let me know.

Justin
 
m_maker said:
Check with these guys : http://www.drivetrainspecialists.com/

Friend of mine dropped off this thundebird there. They pulled the center section, installed 4.10 gears, eaton posi, and all the bearings and seals, put it back together. Total bill $750.

Now, if you don't have goods sources for parts, I don't see it happening for less than that.

I have two sets of Ford 3.55 gears brand new for $150 if anybody needs them. One set is from OEM Ford and the other two FRPP. And yes, there is a difference.
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I'm wondering how they can afford to put a $380 differential, $200 gears, rebuild parts, and labor for build and install for that price. I know I can't.

Justin
 
97quadcam said:
I'm wondering how they can afford to put a $380 differential, $200 gears, rebuild parts, and labor for build and install for that price. I know I can't.

Justin
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They are already making money on the $380 differential and $200 gears - that's why.

I wasn't implying anything either, but that's the reality and what people pay around here.
 
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True. You know it would make more since for me to be a dealer who also does installs rather that just doing installs and paying retail price for everything. Ok, I'm still available if anyone needs an install or anything else, but I guess I'm going to have to take this a step further.
 
97quadcam said:
True. You know it would make more since for me to be a dealer who also does installs rather that just doing installs and paying retail price for everything. Ok, I'm still available if anyone needs an install or anything else, but I guess I'm going to have to take this a step further.
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I just need someone to set my gears. A dealership in Ohio only wants 100 bucks labor if all parts are supplied. I'm not considering that option but it's feedback on labor charge. If I supply you parts and I see the lash before they go in I'll consider having you do mine. I don't need help putting them in the car. .. we could take all that through pm's.

There's a guy in the Bay area that might be up for setting my gears also, but he doesn't like to do things for people I guess.

I want my 3.55's.
 
Justin, you might want to think of supplying people with custom driveshafts as well as that's an important part often overlooked with gear swap.

Also, if you can use new take out parts, I can check with my sources for gears and trak-loc units in 3.55-3.73 variety. Before cars leave the line here, they get updated more often than you think. Saleen prod. line is a good source as well.
 
You can work deals with anybody if you'll be doing these regularly enough. Just call who you call anyways and ask if they'll offer a discount. If they sound shy about it tell them you can get one elsewhere.

Multiple purchases are always attractive to businesses. They all have a mark up, and they can all split that mark up in half if they're smart.
 
yup

See the problem is that you have to have the business enough to justify the parts orders. I'm just trying to start out, so business is nonexistant. And let's face is no matter what the cost of parts, labor or whatever there will always be someone somewhere who's gotten it done for cheaper or the same price with better parts. But if I'm going to start getting into sales and stocking some of these products I'm sure I can at least gain some of the business weither here or on the mustang or chevy forums. But I was hoping that at least a few guys would have the desire to buy the parts send them to me and have me build the diffs...that would at least cover my initial buy in for the tools. After that I wouldn't mind the whinning over my cost. At least that would get me going. I don't mind using new take off parts or even high mileage used parts...that's up to the customer. And if the customer wants new then I'm going to give him new prices. I also prefer to use ford rebuild parts...I'm sure auto zone or someone else has them cheaper and I have no problems using them on someone else's car, but that depends on what the customer wants. However I have some things I must do before I can get started here.

And NO I will not build a diff for $100. Not now, not ever. If someone will build you a differential for $100 I say get them to do it. After it's done, ask them if they'll do it again for the same price. If so, you can probablly make a killing off of just finding parts for cheap and having them build them. If you want me to do it...it'll be $250 and I will allow you to check out the backlash and contact pattern before you pay.
 
I know a ford dealership here in houston that will R&R the rear end and install whatever you want {you supply the parts) for 200 labor. includes setting up gears.

drive the car to the dealer drop it off on saturday, pick it up on monday..
$200.00.. BAM DONE.
 
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