An Urgent Message

[shagdrum]

An Ugent Message

I am compelled by the Holy Spirit to send out an urgent message to all on our mailing list, and to friends and to bishops we have met all over the world.

AN EARTH-SHATTERING CALAMITY IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN. IT IS GOING TO BE SO FRIGHTENING, WE ARE ALL GOING TO TREMBLE - EVEN THE GODLIEST AMONG US.

For ten years I have been warning about a thousand fires coming to New York City. It will engulf the whole megaplex, including areas of New Jersey and Connecticut. Major cities all across America will experience riots and blazing fires—such as we saw in Watts, Los Angeles, years ago.

There will be riots and fires in cities worldwide. There will be looting—including Times Square, New York City. What we are experiencing now is not a recession, not even a depression. We are under God’s wrath. In Psalm 11 it is written,

“If the foundations are destroyed, what can the righteous do?” (v. 3).

God is judging the raging sins of America and the nations. He is destroying the secular foundations.

The prophet Jeremiah pleaded with wicked Israel, “God is fashioning a calamity against you and devising a plan against you. Oh, turn back each of you from your evil way, and reform your ways and deeds. But they will say, It’s hopeless! For we are going to follow our own plans, and each of us will act according to the stubbornness of his evil heart” (Jeremiah 18:11-12).

In Psalm 11:6, David warns, “Upon the wicked he will rain snares (coals of fire)…fire…burning wind…will be the portion of their cup.” Why? David answered, “Because the Lord is righteous” (v. 7). This is a righteous judgment—just as in the judgments of Sodom and in Noah’s generation.

WHAT SHALL THE RIGHTEOUS DO? WHAT ABOUT GOD’S PEOPLE?

First, I give you a practical word I received for my own direction. If possible lay in store a thirty-day supply of non-perishable food, toiletries and other essentials. In major cities, grocery stores are emptied in an hour at the sign of an impending disaster.

As for our spiritual reaction, we have but two options. This is outlined in Psalm 11. We “flee like a bird to a mountain.” Or, as David says, “He fixed his eyes on the Lord on his throne in heaven—his eyes beholding, his eyelids testing the sons of men” (v. 4). “In the Lord I take refuge” (v. 1).

I will say to my soul: No need to run...no need to hide. This is God’s righteous work. I will behold our Lord on his throne, with his eye of tender, loving kindness watching over every step I take—trusting that he will deliver his people even through floods, fires, calamities, tests, trials of all kinds.

Note: I do not know when these things will come to pass, but I know it is not far off. I have unburdened my soul to you. Do with the message as you choose.

God bless and keep you,

In Christ,

DAVID WILKERSON

 

[shagdrum]

More here.

 

[Glenn]

These evangelists really need to stay away from recreational drugs.

 

[ford nut]

These evangelists really need to stay away from recreational drugs.

LOL, he must have had a bad dream.

 

[fossten]

These evangelists really need to stay away from recreational drugs.

David Wilkerson has a documented history of converting gang members to Christ and personally assisting drug addicts in completely getting off drugs for good, without the use of medication or hospitalization.

You really shouldn't comment idly out of ignorance.

 

[Glenn]

My apologies. If he did not write this under the influence of recreational drugs maybe it is prescription medication that he requires. I am sure that he has done much good work but rantings such as the above serve no useful purpose. It is religious rantings like this that led the religious fanatics to rain fire and terror on New York on September 11th.

 

[fossten]

My apologies. If he did not write this under the influence of recreational drugs maybe it is prescription medication that he requires. I am sure that he has done much good work but rantings such as the above serve no useful purpose. It is religious rantings like this that led the religious fanatics to rain fire and terror on New York on September 11th.

Once again, you speak from ignorance. There is nothing even remotely similar between what Wilkerson is suggesting and what the muslim imams utter. Urging people to store up food and prepare for disaster is hardly anything extreme, and certainly is rational and reasonable considering what's happening in the world today. You are merely blasting him because he is using Bible verses, and somehow that offends you. How pitiable.

Unless of course you have somehow read between the lines of his warning, and can somehow see a call to violence and beheadings.

If you can, then maybe you're the one who needs medication.

I can tell you that America will be punished by God for giving money to Hamas. Every time we've put the screws to Israel we've suffered for it.

 

[Glenn]

Preparing for an emergency makes great sense. Who knows when we will be subjected to a hurricane like Katrina, an earthquake along the fault zones or even a power outage such as experienced several years ago. It is the other rantings in his post such as God's wrath and the judgement of sins that I believe to be ridiculous and the rantings of a disturbed mind. This sounds much like the religious nutbars on the other side. You cite the good works of David Wilkerson as if this makes everything he says as worth listening to. Hamas and Hezbollah have also done many good works for their own people but I still believe them to be nutbars also. No! I don't need any medication thank you and I lead a very happy life free from superstition and any expectation of a life after death other than the legacy that I leave my children and friends.

 

[foxpaws]

I thought it was suppose to be 2012, the whole Mayan calendar ending... The government conspiracy, NASA is even in on it... Nostradamus, I think it was in the bible...

The Poles will be shifting...

The great cycle will be ending...

Be sure and get out your tin foil hats if you watch any of this on youtube...
YouTube - The End Of The Earth Cycle at 2012


I covered the girls...

My gosh, I leave for a few days and now I have to deal with Sam Webb, Wilkerson, Celente, who knows what else...

 

[fossten]

It is the other rantings in his post such as God's wrath and the judgement of sins that I believe to be ridiculous and the rantings of a disturbed mind.

And you're basing this on what, Doctor Internet Psychiatrist?

Is everyone who believes in God and sin and judgment a disturbed nutbar to you?

This sounds much like the religious nutbars on the other side.

No, it sounds like the Bible. Try reading it sometime, you might learn something, such as the difference between the Bible and the Quran.

You cite the good works of David Wilkerson as if this makes everything he says as worth listening to.

Wrong. I cite them to illustrate the ignorance of your ill-timed and half-cocked rant.

Hamas and Hezbollah have also done many good works for their own people but I still believe them to be nutbars also.

Please furnish examples. I'm all ears. And while you're at it, since you're equating Hamas with Christianity, why don't you furnish some examples of evangelical Christians who behead nonbelievers and blow themselves up.

No! I don't need any medication thank you and I lead a very happy life free from superstition and any expectation of a life after death other than the legacy that I leave my children and friends.

And I'm sure that despite your sterling reputation as an Internet Psychiatrist Warrior, Wilkerson doesn't need any medication either.

 

[Glenn]

And you're basing this on what, Doctor Internet Psychiatrist?

No! Just on the content.

Is everyone who believes in God and sin and judgment a disturbed nutbar to you?

If they take it too literally Yes.

No, it sounds like the Bible. Try reading it sometime, you might learn something, such as the difference between the Bible and the Quran.

I have studied the bible albeit many years ago. I have an A-Level GCE in religious studies that was primarily the study of the Bible. Certainly I don't profess to be a scholar of the bible but I often know more about it that some of the people that constantly quote it. My knowledge of the Quran is limited as, based on your post, I suspect is yours

Wrong. I cite them to illustrate the ignorance of your ill-timed and half-cocked rant.

Obviously to no effect.

Please furnish examples. I'm all ears.

Hezbollah from Wikipedia:
It is a significant force in Lebanese politics, providing social services, which operate schools, hospitals, and agricultural services for thousands of Lebanese Shiites.

Hamas:
Hamas devotes much of its estimated $70-million annual budget to an extensive social services network. Indeed, the extensive social and political work done by Hamas - and its reputation among Palestinians as averse to corruption - partly explain its defeat of the Fatah old guard in the 2006 legislative vote. Hamas funds schools, orphanages, mosques, health care clinics, soup kitchens, and sports leagues. "Approximately 90 percent of its work is in social, welfare, cultural, and educational activities," writes the Israeli scholar Reuven Paz.

And while you're at it, since you're equating Hamas with Christianity, why don't you furnish some examples of evangelical Christians who behead nonbelievers and blow themselves up.

They usually don't blow themselves up but have demonstrated little reluctance in blowing others up such as seen in Northern Ireland. Not necessarily evangelical Christians but people professing to be Christians. Not sure I can cite any evidence of beheadings but different strokes for different folks.

And I'm sure that despite your sterling reputation as an Internet Psychiatrist Warrior, Wilkerson doesn't need any medication either.

I claim not psychiatric credentials, Internet or other, just call it like I see it.

 

[foxpaws]

Shag, Wilkerson has been doing this for years - starting in 1973 in a book called 'The Vision'. His books since have predicted economic disasters, food shortages, rising crime, and ultimately, destruction for the United States.

His last prediction in 'God's Plan to Protect His People in the Coming Depressiom' was to occur in the late 90s - and he encouraged his followers to store food, water, and medicine for that coming disaster..

I read The Cross and the Switchblade - an excellent book. Too bad the man turned away from the good work he started with kids and drugs and gangs.

 

[shagdrum]

I normally would not even consider, let alone actually post a "prophacy" like this. The reason I posted this was because it was the second time in recent weeks that I have heard this prediction; the first time being a completely different (and closer) source. Both are rather specific in their own way, and talk about something happening rather soon. There is no logic to it and I am not gonna pretent that there is. But I would rather say something here and nothing happen then not say something and something happen (even though I am sure it destroys my credibility in some people's view).

I don't know if there is ultimately anything to it, but I felt it was something worth posting here to let others absorb and discuss (as already seems to be the case).

 

[foxpaws]

Shag - you should at some point read "From the Wandering Jew to William F. Buckley Jr.: On Science, Literature, and Religion" by Martin Gardner. Gardner was an amazing mathematician who wrote for Scientific American for 25 years.

This book is a compilation of his articles, and there was one about prophecies - how they work, how they don't work, and how we are inexplicitly drawn into them...

But I would rather say something here and nothing happen then not say something and something happen (even though I am sure it destroys my credibility in some people's view).

But, are you hoping for the prophecy to come true? If you keep predicting doom and gloom, eventually does it become self fulfilling?

 

[fossten]

Shag, Wilkerson has been doing this for years - starting in 1973 in a book called 'The Vision'. His books since have predicted economic disasters, food shortages, rising crime, and ultimately, destruction for the United States.

His last prediction in 'God's Plan to Protect His People in the Coming Depressiom' was to occur in the late 90s - and he encouraged his followers to store food, water, and medicine for that coming disaster..

How much credibility did you give Al Gore in his book Earth in the Balance? Remember how many years he said we had left?

 

[shagdrum]

But, are you hoping for the prophecy to come true? If you keep predicting doom and gloom, eventually does it become self fulfilling?

Not at all. I hope this ends up being a dumb post by me that I will never live down here. And, The nature of the other prediction I heard was such that it cannot really be of a "self fullfilling" nature.

 

[fossten]

If they take it too literally Yes.

How literally should they take it? Is there a God, does He have an interest in how you live your life, and is there judgment for sin?

I have studied the bible albeit many years ago. I have an A-Level GCE in religious studies that was primarily the study of the Bible. Certainly I don't profess to be a scholar of the bible but I often know more about it that some of the people that constantly quote it. My knowledge of the Quran is limited as, based on your post, I suspect is yours

How does this qualify you to mock anyone who quotes the Bible?

Obviously to no effect.

On the contrary. You've been shown to be making ignorant statements which you cannot back up with evidence - and when pressed, your magic bullet is - WIKIPEDIA! Bravo.

Hezbollah from Wikipedia:
It is a significant force in Lebanese politics, providing social services, which operate schools, hospitals, and agricultural services for thousands of Lebanese Shiites.

Wikipedia? LOL - even fox wouldn't let you get away with that one.

By the way, Hezbollah also launches missiles indiscriminately into Israel, killing civilian Jews without provocation.

Hamas:
Hamas devotes much of its estimated $70-million annual budget to an extensive social services network. Indeed, the extensive social and political work done by Hamas - and its reputation among Palestinians as averse to corruption - partly explain its defeat of the Fatah old guard in the 2006 legislative vote. Hamas funds schools, orphanages, mosques, health care clinics, soup kitchens, and sports leagues. "Approximately 90 percent of its work is in social, welfare, cultural, and educational activities," writes the Israeli scholar Reuven Paz.

I see that you're easily influenced by propaganda. Good to know.

By the way, Hamas has sworn to destroy Israel and makes its main mission to sponsor terrorism.

They usually don't blow themselves up but have demonstrated little reluctance in blowing others up such as seen in Northern Ireland. Not necessarily evangelical Christians but people professing to be Christians. Not sure I can cite any evidence of beheadings but different strokes for different folks.

So in other words, you concede my point that your conflation of Christians with muslim terrorists was disingenuous. Thanks.

I claim not psychiatric credentials, Internet or other, just call it like I see it.

So you won't back up your ridiculous statement, but rather rest on the foundation of your assertion. Well done, you've committed to circular logic.

 

[foxpaws]

Wilkerson's prophecy is such that it has no 'turn around'. According to his prophecies, there is nothing mankind can do to change events - they are God driven and inevitable.

If I remember the 'scenarios' in Gore's book dealt with what could happen if we didn't change. They were suppositions. Unlike Wilkerson's which are predestined, and absolute.

 

[fossten]

Wilkerson's prophecy is such that it has no 'turn around'. According to his prophecies, there is nothing mankind can do to change events - they are God driven and inevitable.

So? Haven't you read the book of Revelation? It clearly says that the heavens and the earth will melt with a 'fervent heat.' Do you know a way to stop that?

If I remember the 'scenarios' in Gore's book dealt with what could happen if we didn't change. They were suppositions. Unlike Wilkerson's which are predestined, and absolute.

Tsk, tsk, fox, you miss my point. How are Gore's prophecies doing today? Have we changed? How many years do we have left before the earth melts?

By the way, has Gore changed his lifestyle yet?

 

[Glenn]

How literally should they take it? Is there a God, does He have an interest in how you live your life, and is there judgment for sin?.

No and no. As for consequences for your actions yes.

How does this qualify you to mock anyone who quotes the Bible?

I am mocking him for his ridiculous statements, a lot of people that do this often seem to quote the bible as their authority.

On the contrary. You've been shown to be making ignorant statements which you cannot back up with evidence - and when pressed, your magic bullet is - WIKIPEDIA! Bravo.

Wikipedia? LOL - even fox wouldn't let you get away with that one.

Wikipedia just happened to be a convenient source at hand. It is common knowledge that both Hamas and Hezbollah are active in the areas of hospital, education, social services etc. Why do you think the are so popular in their own lands despite the havoc that their other actions results in. Seems to me that your ignorance is showing here.

By the way, Hezbollah also launches missiles indiscriminately into Israel, killing civilian Jews without provocation.

I see that you're easily influenced by propaganda. Good to know.

By the way, Hamas has sworn to destroy Israel and makes its main mission to sponsor terrorism.

I am quite aware of their actions I was citing them as an example of people who are capable of both good works and fanatical following of a book that was intended to provide guidance for living but like the bible has been used as a medium to incite hatred. If I was easily influenced by propaganda I would probably be an evangelical Christian after all this continent is bombarded by such propaganda on a daily basis.

So in other words, you concede my point that your conflation of Christians with muslim terrorists was disingenuous. Thanks.

You requested an example of Christians carrying out terrorist activities which I provided. Do you need more or are you totally ignorant of history.

So you won't back up your ridiculous statement, but rather rest on the foundation of your assertion. Well done, you've committed to circular logic.

So what exactly is the ridiculous statement I am accused of making, I wasn't the one saying that God would be visiting fire and destruction upon New York.

 

[ford nut]

Not at all. I hope this ends up being a dumb post by me that I will never live down here.

Thats what I am betting on.

 

[foxpaws]

So? Haven't you read the book of Revelation? It clearly says that the heavens and the earth will melt with a 'fervent heat.' Do you know a way to stop that?

So? You are comparing Wilkerson to Revelations? Odd comparison Foss.

Tsk, tsk, fox, you miss my point. How are Gore's prophecies doing today? Have we changed? How many years do we have left before the earth melts?

By the way, has Gore changed his lifestyle yet?

Have we changed - not much - should we change? Maybe that is another thread. However I was pointing out the difference between Wilkerson's blind prophecy and Gore's supposition.They are quite different in how they are perceived by 'followers'.

 

[Calabrio]

On the bright side,
good thing I'm leaving New York.

Absolutely beautiful state that's being ruined by government. I know people don't necessarily believe it, but this entire state really has such incredible beauty. Even some of the "uglier" parts. I don't mean the urban blight areas, but even the industrial look of Albany, or the mountains, or just going up the Palisades Pwky looking over the Hudson towards the city on the East and mountains and trees on your right....

 

[fossten]

So? You are comparing Wilkerson to Revelations? Odd comparison Foss.

First of all, it isn't Revelationsssssssssss. It's Revelation. Need to get your facts straight, especially since you're fond of nitpicking things.

Second, I'm not making a comparison. I'm pointing out that Wilkerson is simply believing the Bible and repeating it.

Have we changed - not much - should we change? Maybe that is another thread. However I was pointing out the difference between Wilkerson's blind prophecy and Gore's supposition.They are quite different in how they are perceived by 'followers'.

Wilkerson has a lot more to go on than Gore, so your accusation that his prophecy is 'blind' is baloney. And Gore isn't 'supposing,' as you try to spin it. He's a true believer, a religious Gaia worshiper. Or so he says, as he flies around in his private jet and lives in his 20,000 SF house with the huge 'carbon footprint.' You're so fond of pointing out hypocrisy and yet you blandly ignore any on your side.

 

[hrmwrm]

So? Haven't you read the book of Revelation? It clearly says that the heavens and the earth will melt with a 'fervent heat.' Do you know a way to stop that? How many years do we have left before the earth melts?

probably about 4 billion or so more years. that's about the time the sun will become a red giant and either engulf the earth, or come very close to it. congradulations. you found a prediction within the bible that will come true at a time nobody will be left to see it.(well, at least not on earth)