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Atheist Christians, Republican Democrats, and Other Absurdities – What’s at Stake in CLS v. Martinez
Posted by mcaseymattox

M. Casey Mattox is co-counsel for the case referenced in this post. — Erick

Can a public university force a religious student group to deny its faith in order to exist on campus? Does the First Amendment allow government-run colleges to simply ban any group from associating around any common ideas? Can government treat a religious organization’s faith requirements for voting power and leadership positions as the equivalent of racism? The Supreme Court will be examining those questions this term in Christian Legal Society v. Martinez.

For the last three decades, Christian student groups have fought to be treated equally with other student groups on campus. Prior to 1981, many universities refused to permit Christian students to worship on campus or even to meet on the same terms as other groups. When the University of Missouri-Kansas City kicked a Christian student group off campus in 1979 for the unpardonable sin of “worshipping,” dozens of schools called the school to ask for advice on how to do the same.

The Supreme Court’s decisions in Widmar, Mergens, Lamb’s Chapel, and Rosenberger largely turned the tide, definitively foreclosing the misguided argument that the Establishment Clause requires government to discriminate against religious students. But this has not ended the hostility to religious groups whose beliefs are out of line with the educational establishment’s orthodoxy.

Having lost their Establishment Clause weapon (because it did not turn out to be one), universities have turned to the next in their arsenal, the application of “nondiscrimination” rules to ban or neutralize religious groups on campus. And the University of California Hastings School of Law has decided that it is willing to go so far as to abolish the First Amendment rights of every student group in order to justify its discrimination against a small group of Christian students.

The purpose of laws prohibiting religious discrimination has generally been thought to be to protect religious people, not to prevent them from associating together for a common purpose. Thus, every state and federal law recognizes that the faith-based hiring, membership, and related policies of religious organizations is not the government’s business, in keeping with the true intent of the Establishment Clause. But pushed by animosity toward religious groups from administration, faculty, and some students, many universities have lost this common-sense understanding. As a result, they have attempted to treat a Christian student group’s desire for Christian leaders – who among other things abstain from sex before marriage (a highly countercultural view on today’s campus) – as comparable to racism.

Even so, in every one of the dozens of instances over the past 20 years in which a religious or other group was threatened with derecognition or denial of certain access because it limited its leaders and voting power to people who shared its beliefs, the schools have backed down, either by court order or after careful consideration by university counsel.

Then, in 2004, the University of California - Hastings College of Law in San Francisco refused to recognize the Christian Legal Society student chapter. Why? Because, while the group is open to and enthusiastically welcomes anyone in any of its meetings and activities, CLS limits its officers and those who select them and lead Bible studies—its voting members—to persons who affirm a five-point basic statement of historic Christian beliefs in the Trinity; the death, resurrection, and burial of Christ; and the authority of Scripture. CLS, a nearly fifty year old membership organization of thousands of Christian lawyers, law students and judges nationwide, interprets this statement of faith to include the view that Christians should not engage in sexual conduct outside of marriage between a man and a woman.

Hastings deems CLS’s policies to be religious and sexual orientation discrimination. As a result, CLS lost all benefits of recognition enjoyed by other student groups including its ability to meet on campus on the same terms as those groups, to use channels of communication like bulletin boards, e-mail lists, and the student organization fair to communicate with other students and recruit members. It also lost eligibility for funding from the student activity fees all students, including CLS’s own members, pay so that the group can bring in speakers and host debates open to everyone just like other groups do. In short, CLS is now an outsider, prevented from functioning on campus because it will not pledge to allow those who reject its beliefs to lead it and select its leaders.

As the case proceeded, however, and CLS pointed out that Hastings’ rule would prohibit only religious groups from limiting their leadership to people who agreed with their views, Hastings made a last minute change in its policy. Seeking to avoid the consequences of discriminating only against Christians, Hastings decreed that it inexplicably interpreted its nondiscrimination rule to actually prohibit every group from excluding anyone from any position for any reason. Hence, Hastings’ officials testified that the Hastings Democrats must allow Republicans to vote and the feminist group must allow male chauvinists to lead them. The rule would also mean that Hastings cannot have an academic honor club or even a Third Year Council. Hastings was willing to violate every group’s rights and create this bizarre system in order to defend its treatment of CLS.

It worked. The San Francisco based Federal District Court held for UC Hastings, stating that CLS must “take the chance” of being taken over by hostile outsiders if it wanted to be a student group at UC Hastings. The “chance” that CLS would have to take is put into some context when one recognizes that of the 60 student groups at a school of over 1,300 students, no Republican or pro-life group exists. To say that CLS is countercultural at UC Hastings is an understatement. The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit also affirmed, in a three-sentence opinion, that requiring all student groups to let anyone lead them – whether they agreed with the group’s beliefs or not – was “viewpoint neutral and reasonable.”

The U.S. Supreme Court will now take up this question in April, determining whether public universities can dictate to student groups who speaks for them on university campuses. But Hastings’ argument is not limited to the university. By Hastings’ argument, government can dictate who will speak for a church that wants to reserve a park for a picnic, a pro-life group seeking a parade permit for the March for Life, or a faith-based charity that simply wants to retain its tax exemption. Anytime the government offers any “benefit” at all, including use of any government property and a government employee’s time to process your request, it can require citizens to waive their fundamental rights. The Supreme Court has rejected that argument for over a half century, but it is the core of Hastings’ argument.

That is why CLS has been joined by nearly 100 people and organizations from a diversity of perspectives in friend-of-the-court (amicus) briefs urging the Supreme Court to reverse the Ninth Circuit and not allow government to force religious organizations to deny their faith. Fourteen state attorneys general, Campus Crusade for Christ, InterVarsity (and a dozen other Christian student organizations), the American Islamic Congress, Boy Scouts of America, Cato Institute, Coalition of African-American Pastors, Gays and Lesbians for Individual Liberty, College Republicans, the Republican National Lawyers Association, Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America, World Vision, and two dozen past presidents of the Evangelical Theological Society are among those who have filed briefs urging the high court to reverse the Ninth Circuit’s decision.

After 30 years of progress for equal treatment for religious organizations and speakers, the Supreme Court’s decision will determine whether the “marketplace of ideas” on campus is truly a free market. For more information on the case, or to read the opening brief, visit the ADF media page on the case.
 
Boy Shag, you're really poking around in the cockroaches' nest today...
 
An interesting study of this case - it has six parts, so a slightly long read - here is part of the first installment...

2009-2010 Supreme Court Term: (4) Christian Legal Society Chapter v. Martinez (Part 1) – Do Universities Have to Recognize (and Fund) Student Religious Organizations That Discriminate?

by Professor Will Huhn on January 4, 2010
in Constitutional Law, Freedom of Religion, Freedom of Speech, Wilson Huhn

This term Supreme Court agreed to hear the case of Christian Legal Society Chapter v. Martinez. In today's post I will introduce the topic, and in subsequent posts I will analyze different aspects of the case.

On December 7, 2009, the Supreme Court entered an order granting certiorari in Case No. 08-1371, Christian Legal Society v. Martinez.

The facts of the case are fairly straightforward. The University of California Hastings College of Law, like many colleges and universities, recognizes student organizations for the purpose of providing certain benefits, including use of the institution's name and logo, e-mail lists of students, preferred access to college facilities, and limited funding for activities. And like many if not most colleges and universities, Hastings Law School requires that to be eligible for these benefits a student organization may not discriminate, either in its membership policies or as a qualification for office, on the basis of race, color, religion, national origin, ancestry, disability, age, sex, or sexual orientation.

The Christian Legal Society operated for several years at Hastings under a constitution that permitted any student to become a member or an officer of the organization. In 2004 the organization changed its bylaws so that only persons who were willing to take a particular religious oath and to abide by its teachings in their behavior were permitted to become members or officers. The oath would effectively ban any person who holds different religious views from becoming a member, and the regulation requiring adherence to its requirements would similarly ban any sexually active gay or lesbian person.

As a consequence the law school refused to continue to recognize CLS as an official student organization, thus denying the organization the benefits of official recognition, enhanced access to students and the facility, and funding. The CLS sued the law school claiming that the law school had violated its constitutional rights to freedom of speech and freedom of religion.
 
so, in a nutshell, the cls wants to undermine anti discrimination laws based on religious ideals?
talk about a sense of entitlement.
 
so, in a nutshell, the cls wants to undermine anti discrimination laws based on religious ideals?
talk about a sense of entitlement.

You really have no clue what you are talking about do you...

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.
-Abraham Lincoln
 
More from Huhn...

CLS will argue that the foregoing cases support its claim that the refusal of Hastings Law School to officially recognize the student group is unconstitutional. CLS will contend that the decision of the law school is not "viewpoint neutral," and is therefore in violation of decisions like Lamb's Chapel, Rosenberger, and Southworth. The law school will contend that, unlike cases like Healy or Widmark, it allows CLS to meet on campus and therefore is granting CLS "equal access" to its facilities. Furthermore, the law school will argue that its decision to withhold official recognition from CLS was based upon the organization's conduct, not its speech – and that Healy allows this. Hastings will claim that it is not discriminating against CLS based upon the "content" or "viewpoint" of the ideas that CLS wishes to express – that instead, the law school has denied CLS official recognition because of its conduct in failing to open membership in CLS to all Hastings students on a non-discriminatory basis; specifically, that CLS discriminates on the basis of religion and sexual orientation.

Scalia’s vote will be interesting in this case. He generally rules that first amendment rights don’t include the right to be funded.
 
You really have no clue what you are talking about do you...
need to go back to your arguement of ignorance fail?

they are claiming freedom of speech and freedom of religion allows them to discriminate when the school charter disallows discrimination.

Hastings Law School requires that to be eligible for these benefits a student organization may not discriminate, either in its membership policies or as a qualification for office, on the basis of race, color, religion, national origin, ancestry, disability, age, sex, or sexual orientation.

In 2004 the organization changed its bylaws so that only persons who were willing to take a particular religious oath and to abide by its teachings in their behavior were permitted to become members or officers.


that's a far cry from
Can a public university force a religious student group to deny its faith in order to exist on campus? Does the First Amendment allow government-run colleges to simply ban any group from associating around any common ideas? Can government treat a religious organization’s faith requirements for voting power and leadership positions as the equivalent of racism?

doesn't sound like they've been told to disband. they're just being denied official recognition.
and it's not racism, it's discrimination.
 
they are claiming freedom of speech and freedom of religion allows them to discriminate when the school charter disallows discrimination.

First, those were originally restrictions only on the FEDERAL LEGISLATURE. Even more broadly interpreted (as they are today), they are only restrictions on government institutions and CLS would NOT be considered a government institution.

Second, "discrimination" on the part of CLS has absolutely nothing to do with the two clauses in the Constitution that you crudely alluded to. To characterize it as "discrimination" on the part of CLS is to misrepresent the issue and misdirect.

A little background about how these clauses in the Constitution work (and don't work) goes a long way to accurately understanding this and you don't poses that knowledge apparently. You clearly have no clue what you are talking about and are simply making excuses...
 
Hrmwrm - where the CLS is getting into trouble is their 'oath'. The idea that you have to take an oath of allegiance to God, and swear that you aren't a homosexual is where discrimination comes into play. The Lesbian and Gay groups aren't foolish enough to make their membership take an oath that they are gay, going to remain gay, and will only wear flamboyant clothes, and there isn't any bi-law that states that they won't let heterosexuals into their group. You might feel uncomfortable if you are straight and a member - but there won't be any 'oath' taking...

This is where the idea of 'conduct' comes into play -

The school allows the CLS to meet on school grounds, allows them access to things like AV equipment, the thing the school won't do is allow the CLS put the college's name on the group and they won't support them monetarily. They aren't denying the group free speech, they are denying them school accreditation (not allowing the school name on the group) and school funding because of the oath. The group had both before 2004, funding and the school's name - when they didn't require its members to take the oath...

There is an old saying - if you take Caesar's money, expect to play by Caesar's rules....
 

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