MonsterMark
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It is just unconscionable how stupid this guy really is.
Barack Obama's gift for the Queen: an iPod, your Majesty
Barack Obama's gift for the Queen: an iPod, your Majesty
Barack Obama...already the most embarrassing President ever!!!
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Mr Wiggl3s
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Im starting to think you just hate the guy monster
kustomizingkid
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What would you have gotten her MM?
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I guess I should not be surprised how some people are influenced by negative reports in the press without bothering to look into the facts. In fact "The queen was presented with a rare coffee table book of songs by composers Richard Rodgers and Lorenz Hart that Rodgers had signed in May 1952." In addition he gave her some video clips from her last visit installed on an IPOD.
I am sure that the same paper would have called the gift of an fine Arabian Stallion "Dog Food"
The Queen gave him an autographed photo in return.
Edit:
I see the IPOD also contained some of the music from the songbook which may have been it's primary intent.
I am sure that the same paper would have called the gift of an fine Arabian Stallion "Dog Food"
The Queen gave him an autographed photo in return.
Edit:
I see the IPOD also contained some of the music from the songbook which may have been it's primary intent.
Mr Wiggl3s
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I'm just going to be the only hippy to say it.
I dont thing getting the queen of a country an ipod was stupid. Even though she probably has 1 of everything ever made.
I dont thing getting the queen of a country an ipod was stupid. Even though she probably has 1 of everything ever made.
hippy?! Don't be so hard on yourself.
What is appropriate is to give something that is one of a kind, something that cannot be purchased; like Gordon Brown got Obama when Brown visited. After these flubs, there should be some personnel changes in the protocol office.
Which is exactly what he did. The gift to Brown may have been a flub but the one to the Queen certainly wasn't.
kustomizingkid
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The whole gift giving thing is stupid in my mind... wtf does the god damn Queen of England need??
luxuryrules
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She asked for it.
I'm not a great gift giver, but if somebody asks me for a specific item, even if it's a little un-classy, I wouldn't fret about getting it for them.
I'm not a great gift giver, but if somebody asks me for a specific item, even if it's a little un-classy, I wouldn't fret about getting it for them.
FYI; Media Matters is not, in any way, a credible source. This isn't simply due to their liberal bias but because their behavior shows a habitual dishonesty and lack of objectivity. They habitually distort and outright lie to smear certian people/organizations and dishonestly defend certian people/organizations. Just because Media Matters says something does not mean it is true.
You can read about their distortions and deceptive methodology here and here.
Mr Wiggl3s
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That's what im sayin homie lol. I'm a guy. Not a chick. If i decide to give a gift, it's going to be big to me.
you have no understating of international politics. There is a reason the gifts carry the weight that they do. It is pretentious, but it can lead to a lot of uneccessary flack and an international incedent. Weather it should or not is irrelevant and a waste of time to talk about. That fact of the matter is that it does carry a lot of weight and what Obama did was inappropriate.
Maybe you should stop lookin at "what should be" and start focusing on "what is".
you have no understating of international politics. There is a reason the gifts carry the weight that they do. It is pretentious, but it can lead to a lot of uneccessary flack and an international incedent. Weather it should or not is irrelevant and a waste of time to talk about. That fact of the matter is that it does carry a lot of weight and what Obama did was inappropriate.
Maybe you should stop lookin at "what should be" and start focusing on "what is".
What is inappropriate about giving a rare signed songbook signed by Rodgers and Hart to a fan of the musicals that they wrote. If the gift included some of their music in a form that could be easily accessed all the better especially if it could also include footage of her own visit to the USA. It appears to me that you just want to try to make a point and are willing to ignore all the pertinent facts to make it. Maybe you should look to your spelling when you are posting such rubbish as it does nothing for your credibility.
By attacking my spelling, you have shown that you like to argue through taking pot shots at people when the opportunity presents itself. But you are right, it says absolutely nothing about my credibility. Your cheap shot does speak to a lack of character on your part, though.
The fact that you are intentionally misdirecting by focusing on the rare (but not one of a kind) songbook and ignoring the Ipod (even though the Ipod is the focus) also speaks to your lack of character by demonstrating a willful dishonesty and deceptiveness.
This is a minor issue overall, but it is, by any standard, an inapropriate gift when it comes to international visits of this nature.
By attacking my spelling, you have shown that you like to argue through taking pot shots at people when the opportunity presents itself. But you are right, it says absolutely nothing about my credibility. Your cheap shot does speak to a lack of character on your part, though.
If you do not want to increase your credibility so be it. I guess I should have already realised that based on so many of your posts
No it is you, who by singling out the iPod from the total package of gifts, is being deceptive and that speaks volumes as to your character. The two items complement each other and that would appear to be the intent of the gift.
A minor issue yet you decide to start a thread to insult the President of the United States and present it as a major issue.
Maybe the Queen should be left to judge the appropriateness of the gift, who, by her almost unprecedented act of embracing Michelle Obama, seems not to have been offended.
I don't need to "increase" my credibility. You, on the other had, seem to lose credibility with every post.
I didn't single anything out. The media did that. Even togeather, while the gift may have sentimental value, that is not the point of these type of gifts. There are supposed to be one of a kind type gifts. These two things weren't.
Losing more credibility by the second here.
I didn't start this thread; Monstermark did. Either you are exceedingly sloppy when it comes to facts, or you are intentionally lying.
Maybe you should realize that these "gifts" are not like your typical gift to a freind or relative. They are supposed to represent the level of importance with which the head of state holds the other nation and their relationship with the US. Giving an Ipod, even with an admittedly rare songbook, is much less then what is typically given and is highly inappropriate.
From here:
Even though heads of state have traditionally exchanged gifts as expressions of goodwill, the Constitution (Article I, Section 9) prohibits anyone in the US Government from receiving a personal gift from a foreign head of state without the consent of Congress. Today, the handling of gifts from a foreign official to any Federal Government employee, including the President, is largely governed by the Foreign Gifts and Decorations Act of 1966 and further legislation passed in 1977. Congress has allowed Federal employees to retain any gift from a foreign government, as long as the total US retail value of the gifts presented at one occasion does not exceed an amount established by the General Services Administration (GSA). Foreign official gifts over this “minimal value” are considered gifts to the people of the United States, which the recipient must purchase from GSA, at fair market value, in order to retain. The White House Gift Unit sees to the disposition of foreign official gifts that the President and First Lady do not retain.
These are not simply "personal gifts" and to characterize them as such is either dishonest or ignorant. Neither would be all that suprising given who wrote post number 19.
I stand corrected as to who started this thread. I guess in the short time I have been on this board I have seen so many defamatory threads started by you that I made an incorrect assumption. Did not take you long to join in the chorus though did it.
"There are supposed to be one of a kind type gifts."
the autographed book IS a one of a kind gift. the ipod was just an added touch. but the right seems to like to make a joke of themselves more everytime they single out something stupid as this.
notice in the first story by mm the edit and how brief it was? didn't want to go into details there and look stupid after writing about how stupid an ipod was.
oh, there was a rare book that went with it? of something the queen likes? well, we can't write about that. we'd look silly. keep the emphasis on the ipod. it was full of songs that compliment the book? let's just keep saying the ipod was stupid.
lame freakin arguements from the right again.
the autographed book IS a one of a kind gift. the ipod was just an added touch. but the right seems to like to make a joke of themselves more everytime they single out something stupid as this.
notice in the first story by mm the edit and how brief it was? didn't want to go into details there and look stupid after writing about how stupid an ipod was.
oh, there was a rare book that went with it? of something the queen likes? well, we can't write about that. we'd look silly. keep the emphasis on the ipod. it was full of songs that compliment the book? let's just keep saying the ipod was stupid.
lame freakin arguements from the right again.
Defamatory? Everything I point out is true and accurate. You habitually engage in hyperbole and dishonest and misleading smears here.
More hrmwrm making dishonest argument. "Rare" is not "one of a kind". You are dishonestly equating the two. Wouldn't expect anything less then dishonesty from you though.
Despite your dishonest attempt at a smear of the right, the truth doesn't support your argument. as usual.
just more shag dishonesty in everything. the queen asked for a VIDEO ipod, and barack complied, throwing in a few other things to make it good. can't find any info on how rare the book is, or if it being signed makes it 1 of a kind.
but then tradition wouldn't be change, would it.
but then tradition wouldn't be change, would it.