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Pakistan opposition leader Bhutto killed

By SADAQAT JAN and ZARAR KHAN
Associated Press

Pakistan opposition leader Benazir Bhutto was assassinated Thursday by an attacker who shot her after a campaign rally and then blew himself up. Her death stoked new chaos across the nuclear-armed nation, an important U.S. ally in the war on terrorism.

At least 20 others were killed in the attack on the rally for Jan. 8 parliamentary elections where the 54-year-old former prime minister had just spoken.

At least five people were killed across the country in rioting that broke out in the aftermath of the assassination. In the southern port city of Karachi, angry Bhutto supporters shot at police and burned a gas station.

At the hospital where Bhutto died, some supporters smashed glass and wailed, chanting slogans against President Pervez Musharraf. Musharraf blamed Islamic extremists for her death and said he would redouble his efforts to fight them.

"This is the work of those terrorists with whom we are engaged in war," he said in a nationally televised speech. "I have been saying that the nation faces the greatest threats from these terrorists. ... We will not rest until we eliminate these terrorists and root them out."

In the U.S., a tense looking President Bush strongly condemned the attack "by murderous extremists who are trying to undermine Pakistan's democracy." White House spokesman Scott Stanzel said Bush spoke briefly by phone with Musharraf.

Musharraf convened an emergency meeting with his senior staff, where they were expected to discuss whether to postpone the elections, an official at the Interior Ministry said, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the talks.

The government announced three days of mourning for Bhutto, including the closing of schools, commercial centers and banks.

Nawaz Sharif, another former prime minister and leader of a rival opposition party, demanded Musharraf resign immediately and announced his party would boycott the upcoming election.

The attacker struck just minutes after Bhutto addressed thousands of supporters in the Rawalpindi, a city 8 miles south of Islamabad where the army is headquartered. She was shot in the neck and chest by the attacker, who then blew himself up, said Rehman Malik, Bhutto's security adviser.

Sardar Qamar Hayyat, a leader from Bhutto's party, said at the time of the attack he was standing about 10 yards away from her vehicle — a white, bulletproof SUV with a sunroof.

"She was inside the vehicle and was coming out from the gate after addressing the rally when some of the youths started chanting slogans in her favor. Then I saw a smiling Bhutto emerging from the vehicle's roof and responding to their slogans," he said.

"Then I saw a thin, young man jumping toward her vehicle from the back and opening fire. Moments later, I saw her speeding vehicle going away," he added.

Mangled bodies lay in a pool of blood and pieces of clothing and shoes were scattered on the road. The clothing of some victims was shredded and people covered their bodies with party flags.

There was an acrid smell of explosive fumes in the air.

Police cordoned off the street and rescuers rushed to put victims in ambulances as onlookers wailed nearby.

Bhutto was rushed to the hospital and taken into emergency surgery. She died about an hour after the attack.

Hours later, her body was carried out of the hospital in a plain wooden coffin by a crowd of supporters. Her body was expected to be transferred to an air base and brought to her hometown of Larkana.

A doctor on the team that treated her said she had a bullet in the back of the neck that damaged her spinal cord before exiting from the side of her head. Another bullet pierced the back of her shoulder and came out through her chest.

She was given open heart massage, but the main cause of death was damage to her spinal cord, he said on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media.

"At 6:16 p.m., she expired," said Wasif Ali Khan, a member of Bhutto's party who was at Rawalpindi General Hospital.

"The surgeons confirmed that she has been martyred," Bhutto's lawyer Babar Awan said.

Bhutto's supporters at the hospital exploded in anger, smashing the glass door at the main entrance of the emergency unit. Others burst into tears. One man with a flag of Bhutto's Pakistan People's Party tied around his head was beating his chest.

"I saw her with my own eyes sitting in a vehicle after addressing the rally. Then, I heard an explosion," Tahir Mahmood, 55, said sobbing. "I am in shock. I cannot believe that she is dead."

Many chanted slogans against Musharraf, accusing him of complicity in her killing.

"We repeatedly informed the government to provide her proper security and appropriate equipment including jammers, but they paid no heed to our requests," said Malik, the security adviser.

As news of her death spread, angry supporters took to the streets.

In Karachi, shop owners quickly closed their businesses as protesters set tires on fire on the roads, torched several vehicles and burned a gas station, said Fayyaz Leghri, a local police official. Gunmen shot and wounded two police officers, he said.

One man was killed in a shootout between police and protesters in Tando Allahyar, a town 120 miles north of Karachi, said Mayor Kanwar Naveed. In the town of Tando Jam, protesters forced passengers to get out of a train and then set it on fire.

Two people were killed in the southern Sindh province and two others in Lahore, police said.

Violence also broke out in Lahore, Multan, Peshawar and many other parts of Pakistan, where Bhutto's supporters burned banks, state-run grocery stores and private shops. Some set fire to election offices for the ruling party, according to Pakistani media.

Akhtar Zamin, home minister for the southern Sindh province, said authorities would deploy troops to stop violence if needed.

Musharraf urged calm.

"I want to appeal to the nation to remain peaceful and exercise restraint," he said.

Rep. Patrick Kennedy, a Democrat from Rhode Island, was in Pakistan and on his way to have dinner with Bhutto Thursday night when he learned of her killing.

"You could really feel the tragedy of this loss because Bhutto really represented hope here for so many people," he said, adding that turmoil was engulfing much of the country.

"Her death really dashed the hope of many here in Pakistan and that's why there's so much disillusionment and anger being vented through these protests that are lighting up the sky tonight as people set fires all over the countryside," Kennedy told the AP in a telephone interview.

Sharif arrived at the hospital and sat silently next to Bhutto's body.

"Benazir Bhutto was also my sister, and I will be with you to take the revenge for her death," he said. "Don't feel alone. I am with you. We will take the revenge on the rulers."

He rebutted suggestions that he could gain political capital from her demise, announcing his Muslim League-N party would boycott the elections and demanding that Musharraf resign.

"The holding of fair and free elections is not possible in the presence of Pervez Musharraf," he said. "Musharraf is the cause of all the problems. The federation of Pakistan cannot remain intact in the presence of President Musharraf," he told a news conference.

"After the killing of Benazir Bhutto, I announce that the Pakistan Muslim League-N will boycott the elections," Sharif said. "I demand that Musharraf should quit immediately."

Hours earlier, four people were killed at a rally for Sharif when his supporters clashed with backers of Musharraf near Rawalpindi.

Bhutto's death will leave a void at the top of her party, the largest political group in the country, as it heads into the elections.

Pakistan is considered a vital U.S. ally in the fight against al-Qaida and other Islamic extremists including the Taliban. Osama bin Laden and his inner circle are believed to be hiding in lawless northwest Pakistan along the border with Afghanistan.

The U.S. has invested significant diplomatic capital in promoting reconciliation between Musharraf and the opposition, particularly Bhutto, who was seen as having a wide base of support in Pakistan. Her party had been widely expected to do well in next month's elections.

Had the PPP either won a majority of seats or enough to put together a majority coalition, Bhutto could have recaptured the job of prime minister.

Bush, speaking briefly to reporters at his ranch in Crawford, Texas, demanded that those responsible for the killing be brought to justice.

"The United States strongly condemns this cowardly act by murderous extremists who are trying to undermine Pakistan's democracy," said Bush, who looked tense and took no questions.

The assassination and concerns of further international instability were cited as one reason for a fall in U.S. stock prices and a rise in oil prices Thursday. In afternoon trade, the Dow Jones Industrial Average of blue chip stocks was down more than 140 points or more than 1 percent.

The U.N. Security Council also condemned the assassination.

Pakistan was just emerging from another crisis after Musharraf declared a state of emergency on Nov. 3, and used sweeping powers to round up thousands of his opponents and fire Supreme Court justices. He ended emergency rule Dec. 15 and subsequently relinquished his role as army chief, a key opposition demand. Bhutto had been an outspoken critic of Musharraf's imposition of emergency rule.

Educated at Harvard and Oxford universities, Bhutto served twice as Pakistan's prime minister between 1988 and 1996.

Her father was Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, scion of a wealthy landowning family in southern Pakistan and founder of the populist Pakistan People's Party. The elder Bhutto was president and then prime minister of Pakistan before his ouster in a 1977 military coup. Two years later, he was executed by the government of Gen. Zia-ul Haq after being convicted of engineering the murder of a political opponent.

Bhutto had returned to Pakistan from an eight-year exile on Oct. 18. On the same day, she narrowly escaped injury when her homecoming parade in Karachi was targeted in a suicide attack that killed more than 140 people.

Islamic militants linked to al-Qaida and the Taliban hated Bhutto for her close ties to the Americans and support for the war on terrorism. A local Taliban leader reportedly threatened to greet Bhutto's return to the country with suicide bombings.

Hundreds of riot police had manned security checkpoints around the rally venue Thursday, Bhutto's first public meeting in Rawalpindi since she came back to the country.

In recent weeks, suicide bombers have repeatedly targeted security forces in Rawalpindi.

In November, Bhutto had also planned a rally in the city, but Musharraf forced her to cancel it, citing security fears.

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Associated Press reporter Andrew Miga contributed to this report from Washington.
 
So while most of the world expresses outrage, fears for the stability of Pakistan, and seeks to determine who is responsible for this, Ron Paul chimes in with this comment:

We've supported Musharraff and it's created Civil Strife over there. If it's Al Qaeda that did this, the Al Qaeda resents the fact that we support military dictators, just as they resented us supporting a military dictator in Saudi Arabia. And they resent that at one time we supported Saddam Hussein. It's just a perfect example of how interventionist foreign policy drags us in. And I'm just frightened that we're going to be dragged into another civil war over there because we're in the middle of that already"

DesMoines Register
 
they've been trying to kill her for over 10 years, what with their attitudes towards women.
One cannot deny that they're religious extremists.
I don't think this has much to do with blowback for American foreign policy which does support despots and dictators if it happens to be in our interest at the time.
We're not at the center of everything although to some would like to see it that way.
Zia was killed in a mysterious plane crash and life went on
so we'll have to wait and see what the ramifications of this will be.
 
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/

A Niece Tells Us the Truth About "Aunt Benazir"


By Debbie Schlussel

Did St. Benazir (Bhutto) orchestrate the murder of her brother, a vocal Parliamentary critic? His daughter, Benazir's niece--Fatima Bhutto, paints the picture. Forget Mommy Dearest. Meet (the late) Aunt Benazir:

My father was a member of Parliament and a vocal critic of his sister's politics. He was killed outside our home in 1996 in a carefully planned police assassination while she was prime minister. There were 70 to 100 policemen at the scene, all the streetlights had been shut off and the roads were cordoned off. Six men were killed with my father. They were shot at point-blank range, suffered multiple bullet wounds and were left to bleed on the streets.

Fatima Bhutto: Aunt Benazir Assassinated My Dad, Her Brother
My father was Benazir's younger brother. To this day, her role in his assassination has never been adequately answered, although the tribunal convened after his death under the leadership of three respected judges concluded that it could not have taken place without approval from a "much higher" political authority.
I have personal reasons to fear the danger that Ms. Bhutto's presence in Pakistan brings, but I am not alone.


Yup, sounds like a "moderate" and saint to me.

Not to mention this, some of which I mentioned in a previous post on St. Benazir:

It is widely believed that Ms. Bhutto lost both her governments on grounds of massive corruption. She and her husband, a man who came to be known in Pakistan as "Mr. 10%," have been accused of stealing more than $1 billion from Pakistan's treasury. She is appealing a money-laundering conviction by the Swiss courts involving about $11 million. Corruption cases in Britain and Spain are ongoing.
This was the ideal Bush candidate to run Pakistan? Oy.

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Criminals & Taliban Supporters: Fake "Saint" Bhutto & Hubby In Picture & Deed


By Debbie Schlussel

**** UPDATE: Read Benazir Bhutto's niece's L.A. Times column on her aunt, the fraud. ****

With regard to my earlier post on the Empress With No Clothing, Benazir Bhutto, some readers have asked what I meant when I said that Bhutto's husband is a criminal and that she's a fraud, too. Others have asked about her alliance with Yasser Arafat. But we can't let little things like this pic of Bhutto and her husband welcoming Arafat to Pakistan, get in the way of beatification of Saint Benazir. Forget about Bhutto and Arafat, whose homicide bombings and terror attacks she constantly defended (now, she knows what it feels like):


Disregard the fact that this faux "moderate" Bhutto supported the Taliban and helped it take over Afghanistan. Not only did her Paki government recognize the Taliban, she was only one of three governments to do so (a fact acknowledged by Bhutto's niece). Awesome. Our soldiers are dying there fighting the Taliban, and Bush tried to re-insert upon Pakistan the woman who enabled the Taliban in the first place. Get me one of those Bush Out of Office Countdown Calendars, stat.

And forget about these facts. For starters, Bhutto's husband, Asif Ali Zardari was a convicted criminal and in prison in Pakistan. But, if you think that's trumped up, how 'bout Bhutto's and her husband's, convictions for money laundering in Switzerland. This is not the "corrupt" Paki government. It's the Swiss courts, finding that Bhutto and her husband took bribes and kickbacks to get a Swiss company a government contract with Pakistan. I mean, this interferes with the Mainstream and Conservative Media's pictures of this new saint, so why consider this, right?:

Ms. Bhutto and her husband, Asif Ali Zardari, who is jailed in Pakistan, were given six-month suspended sentences after an investigation by a Swiss magistrate. She was ordered to pay the Pakistani government nearly $12 million in restitution and was also ordered also ordered to hand over a necklace valued at $188,000.
The case relates to accusations dating back to the 1990's that Ms. Bhutto had access to money through kickbacks from two Swiss companies doing business in Pakistan.


More:

The six-year-long case alleged that Ms. Bhutto, who lives in exile in London and Dubai, and her husband, Asif Ali Zardari, deposited in Swiss accounts $10 million given them by a Swiss company in exchange for a contract in Pakistan.
But no biggie. After all, this Islamist Bush-designated saint was a "moderate" and now is a martyr. All hail Sheikha Benazir.

Oh, by the way, the excuse they used: Those weren't our accounts (even thought they had access to them). Same excuse as when an arrestee says to a cop, "but those weren't my drugs in the car

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Karma: Terrorism-Supporter Bhutto Was No Saint . . . And "Jimmy Carter" Bush Moves Predicated This Outcome


By Debbie Schlussel



Trite, but true: What comes around goes around. And today's assassination of Benazir Bhutto is a bit of both for her and for George W. Bush's deliberate, destabilizing "democracy" policy in Pakistan and the rest of the Mid-East.

While the whole world (yes, including plenty of ignorant conservatives) is hailing the late Benazir Bhutto--in the wake of her assassination, this morning--as some sort of saint and would-be messiah of Pakistan, let's be clear: She was neither saint nor savioress. Closer to the opposite, in fact. And her death is not a loss for America. It is a step back from Bush's failed "democracy" plan for destabilizing a ally-dictator who defied Islamists to publicly support America.


Karma: "Moderate" Arafan Bhutto Defended Palestinian Homicide Bombings
The "moderate" Bhutto was actually a Saudi-backed, anti-Semitic, pro-Palestinian-terrorism force of instability, anarchy, and protest in Pakistan. Her return to Paki politics would only divide and conquer pro-U.S. forces in the country, allowing the more popular Islamists to dominate. That she was assassinated was not a good thing, especially since the U.S. made the mistake of backing her and forcing her on Musharraf. But that she is now gone from Pakistani politics is a positive development in a myriad of ways.

The George W. Bush-orchestrated move of returning Bhutto to Pakistan from exile in the Gulf was a bad move on so many levels. It echoes the Jimmy Carter era of ushering out the pro-U.S. Shah of Iran and ushering in the never-ending Ayatollah Khomeini/Mahmoud Ahmadinejad era. This time around, Bhutto's opposition to Musharraf would have ushered out a pro-U.S. dictator, Pervez Musharraf, and ushered in Islamist chaos, HAMASastan-style.

True, Musharraf is not exactly the greatest counter-terrorist. He came to office in a coup, and he comes from atop an army dominated by the pro-Al-Qaeda I.S.I. He may even be protecting the whereabouts of Bin Laden and isn't the greatest ally of the U.S.. But he is not the worst, either, and he is far better than the alternative, including the would-be now-late Bhutto. Without Musharraf atop the country, it will revert to the natural state of what really is Greater Barbaria bubbling beneath the entire Islamic and Arab worlds. If you liked the Daniel Pearl beheading and dismemberment in Karachi, you'd love Pakistan under a short-lived Bhutto return and long-lived post-Bhutto Iran, er . . . Pakistan.

One Khalid Sheikh Mohammed running free through the streets of Pakistan, plotting murders of thousands of Americans? Under a Bhutto, or post-Bhutto overthrow revolutionary "government" in Pakistan, the country would be overrun with them, and they'd be running the country.

George Bush had no business demanding the free return of Bhutto to Pakistan and demanding free elections in this barbaric microcosm of Greater Islamia. Did Bush/Condi Clueless really expect a different result than the zoo-states he created with elections in Gaza, Hezbollah-stan, Muslim Brotherhood Nation (formerly Egypt), etc? Bush created riots and mayhem and chaos in Pakistan by doing so and destabilized the very man on whom he depended as a Muslim ally in the largely unsuccessful "War on Terror." If this is how Bush treats our lukewarm Muslim allies--by laying out the blueprints for their demise--then, few will support us.

Bhutto, in the end, was really no different than Musharraf (though far less strong a leader and incapable of being the tough dictator necessary for that country), and--even had she won the election and ruled the country--could afford to be no different. And she was no different. Not long after 9/11, she made the rounds on Sunday political TV shows (including NBC's "Meet the Press"), uttering the same extremist platitudes against Israel and the Jews to even the amazement of the hosts (including Tim Russert). Ditto for her repeated pronouncements justifying and defending Palestinian homicide bombings against innocent civilians. Today's events were a bit of karma for Ms. Bhutto.

An Arafat-fan, Bhutto and her criminal husband were largely kept people by the Saudis and the United Arab Emirates. They owed the Gulf States, big-time. Not only was her husband was a crook, but she, in many other ways, was a fraud. She could not hold onto power the first time. With Pakistan much less stable, why on earth would we usher out the mild U.S. ally Musharraf to give her the chance a second time in far more rough waters. If you like Iran, you'd love the second post-Bhutto Pakistan.

So, while I'm sorry to see a U.S.-backed opposition leader (whom Bush made the mistake of backing) go out in an explosion of non-glory, the loss of Bhutto is no loss at all. It is actually a good thing for the U.S., despite Bush's attempts to usher out Musharraf the way Jimmy Carter ushered out the pro-U.S. Shah . . . and usher in greater Islamic extremism in the name of his silly "democracy" experiment.

Bush's "democracy" has failed in Gaza, Lebanon (where Hezbollah gained seats and key government ministries), Egypt (where the Muslim Brotherhood gained seats), and everywhere else it's been tried. Gone to supersecret Mass in Iraq, lately? Democracy will fail in Pakistan, too.

Make no mistake. Benazir Bhutto's death is no loss for American interests. Her reinsertion into Pakistan by our country was the problem. And she was no savioress. Not even close.

Remember, just because a Muslim has a pretty face, it doesn't make her a moderate.
 
Aunt Benazir's false promises
Bhutto's return bodes poorly for Pakistan -- and for democracy there.
By Fatima Bhutto
November 14, 2007
KARACHI -- We Pakistanis live in uncertain times. Emergency rule has been imposed for the 13th time in our short 60-year history. Thousands of lawyers have been arrested, some charged with sedition and treason; the chief justice has been deposed; and a draconian media law -- shutting down all private news channels -- has been drafted.

Perhaps the most bizarre part of this circus has been the hijacking of the democratic cause by my aunt, the twice-disgraced former prime minister, Benazir Bhutto. While she was hashing out a deal to share power with Gen. Pervez Musharraf last month, she repeatedly insisted that without her, democracy in Pakistan would be a lost cause. Now that the situation has changed, she's saying that she wants Musharraf to step down and that she'd like to make a deal with his opponents -- but still, she says, she's the savior of democracy.

The reality, however, is that there is no one better placed to benefit from emergency rule than she is. Along with the leaders of prominent Islamic parties, she has been spared the violent retributions of emergency law. Yes, she now appears to be facing seven days of house arrest, but what does that really mean? While she was supposedly under house arrest at her Islamabad residence last week, 50 or so of her party members were comfortably allowed to join her. She addressed the media twice from her garden, protected by police given to her by the state, and was not reprimanded for holding a news conference. (By contrast, the very suggestion that they might hold a news conference has placed hundreds of other political activists under real arrest, in real jails.)

Ms. Bhutto's political posturing is sheer pantomime. Her negotiations with the military and her unseemly willingness until just a few days ago to take part in Musharraf's regime have signaled once and for all to the growing legions of fundamentalists across South Asia that democracy is just a guise for dictatorship.

It is widely believed that Ms. Bhutto lost both her governments on grounds of massive corruption. She and her husband, a man who came to be known in Pakistan as "Mr. 10%," have been accused of stealing more than $1 billion from Pakistan's treasury. She is appealing a money-laundering conviction by the Swiss courts involving about $11 million. Corruption cases in Britain and Spain are ongoing.

It was particularly unappealing of Ms. Bhutto to ask Musharraf to bypass the courts and drop the many corruption cases that still face her in Pakistan. He agreed, creating the odiously titled National Reconciliation Ordinance in order to do so. Her collaboration with him was so unsubtle that people on the streets are now calling her party, the Pakistan People's Party, the Pervez People's Party. Now she might like to distance herself, but it's too late.

Why did Ms. Bhutto and her party cronies demand that her corruption cases be dropped, but not demand that the cases of activists jailed during the brutal regime of dictator Zia ul-Haq (from 1977 to 1988) not be quashed? What about the sanctity of the law? When her brother Mir Murtaza Bhutto -- my father -- returned to Pakistan in 1993, he faced 99 cases against him that had been brought by Zia's military government. The cases all carried the death penalty. Yet even though his sister was serving as prime minister, he did not ask her to drop the cases. He returned, was arrested at the airport and spent the remaining years of his life clearing his name, legally and with confidence, in the courts of Pakistan.

Ms. Bhutto's repeated promises to end fundamentalism and terrorism in Pakistan strain credulity because, after all, the Taliban government that ran Afghanistan was recognized by Pakistan under her last government -- making Pakistan one of only three governments in the world to do so.

And I am suspicious of her talk of ensuring peace. My father was a member of Parliament and a vocal critic of his sister's politics. He was killed outside our home in 1996 in a carefully planned police assassination while she was prime minister. There were 70 to 100 policemen at the scene, all the streetlights had been shut off and the roads were cordoned off. Six men were killed with my father. They were shot at point-blank range, suffered multiple bullet wounds and were left to bleed on the streets.

My father was Benazir's younger brother. To this day, her role in his assassination has never been adequately answered, although the tribunal convened after his death under the leadership of three respected judges concluded that it could not have taken place without approval from a "much higher" political authority.

I have personal reasons to fear the danger that Ms. Bhutto's presence in Pakistan brings, but I am not alone. The Islamists are waiting at the gate. They have been waiting for confirmation that the reforms for which the Pakistani people have been struggling have been a farce, propped up by the White House. Since Musharraf seized power in 1999, there has been an earnest grass-roots movement for democratic reform. The last thing we need is to be tied to a neocon agenda through a puppet "democrat" like Ms. Bhutto.

By supporting Ms. Bhutto, who talks of democracy while asking to be brought to power by a military dictator, the only thing that will be accomplished is the death of the nascent secular democratic movement in my country. Democratization will forever be de-legitimized, and our progress in enacting true reforms will be quashed. We Pakistanis are certain of this.

Fatima Bhutto is a Pakistani poet and writer. She is the daughter of Mir Murtaza Bhutto, who was killed in 1996 in Karachi when his sister, Benazir, was prime minister.
 
The Bush administration's foreign policy has been shown to be totally naive and inept.

From above

"Bush's "democracy" has failed in Gaza, Lebanon (where Hezbollah gained seats and key government ministries), Egypt (where the Muslim Brotherhood gained seats), and everywhere else it's been tried. Gone to supersecret Mass in Iraq, lately? Democracy will fail in Pakistan, too."

Only a fool continues in the face of such results and I can understand why Paul wants to withdraw our forces from this neverending mess that has no end in sight.

Better to have them fight amongst themselves than focus their attentions on us.
It is wiser to divide one's enemies than to unite them.
 
Only a fool continues in the face of such results and I can understand why Paul wants to withdraw our forces from this neverending mess that has no end in sight.

Better to have them fight amongst themselves than focus their attentions on us.
It is wiser to divide one's enemies than to unite them.

Certainly a fair an interesting debate, one I have no answer to.

I've long been of the believe that a genuine hot, world war was inevitable. The political boundaries throughout the Africa, the Middle East, and the old Soviet countries are culturally arbitrary, the result of primarily Europeans dividing the region based on their own needs and desires. It's a powder keg.

The only reason this story is important is because Pakistan is a nuclear power, on bordered by a few other nuclear powers. Rest assured, the Indian government is on alert right now.

Do you really think that we can wash our hands of everything and that it'll stay neatly contained in that region of the world? I don't. Oil jumped to $97 a barrel simply on the news of Bhutto's death....

It's a troubling time. And these are the very reasons I can't get behind a Paul campaign. He's simply not prepared for this kind of thing, nor does he have the resources or organization. Maybe in the euphoric peaceful fog of '92 or '96 things would be very different. But the worlds about to go hot, the economy is in a position where it could go south.... now is not the time to elect a guy who "delivered 4,000 babies."

At the same rate, it's also not a time you can support a guy who will be reckless with freedom. That's why, despite actually liking Gulliani as a Mayor, I can't get behind his Presidential primary campaign either.
 
I don't have any good answers either.
Wars are traditionally fought for money and territory.
These hateful people fighting amongst themselves
are not a classic threat to the territory of the US.
They are a threat to our economic interests but we are a lot to blame for putting ourselves into this position in the first place, thinking we can use our military might to safeguard our interests instead of weening ourselves from being at the mercy of uncertain and unpredictable events.
I'll give Bush credit for upping CAFE standards to 35 mpg
but it's not enough. If we were able to develop the bomb with the Manhattan project and put a man on the moon in 1969 surely we can put a similar effort into getting our energy house in order if we are going to continue being a Superpower.
Don't for a minute think the Chinese aren't accutely aware of their energy achilles heel. I'm sure we'll see them move ahead soon with great investments in alternative energy sources.
We will be left behind playing catch up having squandered our opportunity policing the world and expanding empire while not getting any real booty for all the effort.

Totalitarian states do have some advantages in that they are able to move more quickly without lawsuits, lobbyists, environmental assessments and other protests standing in the way of a big goal.
All I can think of is the old chinese curse:

"May you live in interesting times"
 
So while most of the world expresses outrage, fears for the stability of Pakistan, and seeks to determine who is responsible for this, Ron Paul chimes in with this comment:



DesMoines Register
And yet, Bolton blames America...?

Bolton: U.S. Partly Responsible for Bhutto Assassination

Thursday, December 27, 2007 8:40 PM

Former U.N. ambassador John Bolton says U.S. intervention in Pakistani politics was a factor in the assassination of Pakistan opposition leader Benazir Bhutto.

“In part the United States is responsible for this by pushing (Pakistani President Pervez) Musharraf to try and cut a deal with Benazir Bhutto, by encouraging her to go back in the country, by trying to act like we could have a democratic election campaign in a situation with great instability,” Bolton told the Fox News Channel this afternoon. “I think the notion that by bringing Benazir Bhutto back to Pakistan we could facilitate moving to a Democratic system has obviously turned out to be incorrect.”

He said he thinks “this tragedy should guide us now as to what we do next, which I think ought to be declaring a time-out on internal politics; let’s re-stabilize, it probably will require a period of martial law.” “But let’s keep our eyes on the prize. For the United States, that’s the security of Pakistan’s nuclear weapons.”

“Let’s not forget either the failed assassination attempt against (former Pakistani Prime Minister) Nawaz Sharif today.” “So it’s obviously the intention of somebody, if those attempts were linked, to throw things into greater instability. That is the circumstance under which you could have a radical Islamicist regime come to power and get control of those nuclear weapons. That’s absolutely the worst-case scenario.”

The former American ambassador to the United Nations says he has no confidence in the political leaders’ ability to secure Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal.

“The issue is who can keep secure command and control over the nuclear weapons. I don’t think any of the civilian leaders could have done that which is why I didn’t see facilitating their return to power was in U.S. interests.”

“Right now I think you’ve got the risk that the military itself will fragment. It’s possible that elements of the military were involved in this, the radical Islamicist elements, and the last thing we need to do is have a further deterioration of the situation which I think continued politicking would almost certainly bring about.”

“The idea we should be pushing Pakistan into elections next month, I think is fraught with peril for the United States,” Bolton told Fox.

© 2007 Newsmax. All rights reserved.
 
Entirely different reason and explanation.
Did you not notice that?
Edit...actually, it's not an ENTIRELY different reason. Intervention is intervention in the bigger picture. Bolton's just being specific.

By the way, Bhutto blames America as well.
 

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