Blaming Bush For The Sago Mine Tragedy

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Blaming Bush For The Sago Mine Tragedy

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/blog/

The reflexive desire on the left to find some way of blaming President Bush for every God forsaken accident or tragedy on the planet reached a new low this week. Scott Shields leapt to the task on Tuesday morning (the fate of the miners wasn't determined until more than 12 hours later and the cause of the accident remains unknown) by saying that Bush "didn't do anything to prevent it [the accident]. In fact, if anything, the actions of his administration made the situation worse." Shields went on to quote approvingly from a New York Times article critical of Bush administration policy before concluding, "Bush's indefensible fealty to corporate power undercuts the health and safety of workers at every level of the economy."

Surprisingly, Kevin Drum picked up a similar theme yesterday with a post saying, "What's the story behind the story of the tragedy at the Sago Mine? At least part of it is predictable: after George Bush took office in 2001 the Mine Safety and Health Administration was stocked with coal mining executives who were distinctly less interested in mine safety than they should have been."

Drum's post was quickly highlighted by Andrew Sullivan who postulated a potential "budding connection" between Jack Abramoff and Sago: "What happens when coal executives spend lots of money on Republican politicians? A looser regulatory and safety regime?"

Let me stipulate right now that I'm no more of an expert on the subject than anyone else, including Scott, Kevin, and Andrew. What's more, it is clear that the Sago mine had been cited for a number of violations and looks to have been much more dangerous than average.

However. The claim that the Bush administration's fealty to coal executives has resulted in a deterioration in miner saftey is a provable proposition, no? There are only three options: under the Bush administration there have either been more mining injuries and deaths, less mining injuries and deaths, or roughly the same number of mining injuries and deaths than in previous years. Logic dictates that if what Scott, Kevin and Andrew suggest is true, we should see an increase in mining injuries and deaths since the Bush administration took office. Except according to these figures from the Mining Saftey & Health Administration, it hasn't happened:

[See figures from article]


David Dye, Acting Assistant Labor Secretary for Mine Safety and Health, put the numbers in an even broader context in testimony before Congress last April:

In 1977, when the Mine Safety and Health Act was passed, 272 miners died on the job. A decade ago, 100 miners lost their lives extracting the raw materials that fuel our economy, contribute to our national security, and provide the underpinning of the American dream.

Today, I am proud to be here to tell you that for the fourth straight year, the United States mining industry set its best safety record since statistics were first compiled in 1910, in both fatal and non-fatal injury incidents. Since calendar year 2000, the annual number of fatal injuries has decreased by 30 – from 85 to 55 in 2004, a 35 percent reduction. A few short years ago, those numbers would have been laughed at as impossible goals.


Clearly, mining safety has continued to improve throughout the years thanks to technology and regardless of the party affiliation of the occupant of the Oval Office. If the Bush administration has in fact undermined (no pun intended) the safety of miners in America over the last five years, it's not showing up in the numbers. And in this case, for those interested in facts and not ax-grinding partisanship, the number of injuries and fatalities is the bottom line measure.

Yet this is the first time we've seen an effort to try and blame a President for contributing to deaths related to a tragic mining accident. It certainly didn't happen under Clinton, nor for that matter do I recall it happening with the Quecreek mining accident in 2002 - perhaps because there was a happy ending to that story. It just goes to show how distorted and dishonest the level of discourse has become in the country recently because of the left's insatiable hatred for President Bush.
 
barry2952 said:
With good reason.

There is NEVER "good reason" for "distorted and dishonest discourse."

But thanks for admitting that's what your side is doing.
 
If that ain't a case of the pot calling the kettle black. Your quotes, not mine.
 
fossten said:
Blaming Bush For The Sago Mine Tragedy


However, the claim that the Bush administration's fealty to coal executives has resulted in a deterioration in miner saftey is a provable proposition, no? There are only three options: under the Bush administration there have either been more mining injuries and deaths, less mining injuries and deaths, or roughly the same number of mining injuries and deaths than in previous years. Logic dictates that if what Scott, Kevin and Andrew suggest is true, we should see an increase in mining injuries and deaths since the Bush administration took office. Except according to these figures from the Mining Saftey & Health Administration, it hasn't happened:

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Check again. 12 miners died there, so that brings the total amount of Miner deaths much higher under Bush's watch. Unfortunately, your attempt to use statistics to prove Shrub's innocence in this tragedy has only served to prove and underscore the duplicitous nature of him and his entire administration. How sad that some people still try to defend someone who has already gauranteed that his legacy will be 'The Worst President in the history of the United States.' Even unintelligent rats jump off a sinking ship, you know.
 
barry2952 said:
If that ain't a case of the pot calling the kettle black. Your quotes, not mine.

Here is the last sentence, which was highlighted, to which you replied, " With good reason.":

It just goes to show how distorted and dishonest the level of discourse has become in the country recently because of the left's insatiable hatred for President Bush.

I can only presume that is the sentence you are responding to, because you didn't say. And I will tell you, once again, that there is never "good reason" for distorted and dishonest discourse. Not even your insatiable hatred of President Bush.
 
Rose colored glasses......

Do they hand out those rose colored glasses when you register as a Dumocrat, or do you have to go to the conventions to get them. Better still is there a Website (www.traitorkerrylostgetoverit.com) where I could go to order a pair. "'The Worst President in the history of the United States.'" title already belongs to Clinton so you really do not have to worry about GWB taking that one.

Late Breaking News.......I stand corrected, there was a tragic accident on the highway on the way to work this morning. Clearly GWB was involved in this tragedy. How do I know??? The car had a "John Kerry - Truth for a change" bumper sticker on it. GWB must have replaced his coffee with decaf so that he would fall asleep on his way to work. It's definately a right wing conspiracy. Kerry supporters beware, there has been a marked increase in the number of accident of automobiles with John Kerry stickers on them.

See how moronic statements like this sound. Of course you do. You and your Dumocrat buddies make them all of the time. And it must be fact because it was in print.



Kit Sullivan said:
Check again. 12 miners died there, so that brings the total amount of Miner deaths much higher under Bush's watch. Unfortunately, your attempt to use statistics to prove Shrub's innocence in this tragedy has only served to prove and underscore the duplicitous nature of him and his entire administration. How sad that some people still try to defend someone who has already gauranteed that his legacy will be 'The Worst President in the history of the United States.' Even unintelligent rats jump off a sinking ship, you know.
 
To the lefties, everything bad is Bush's fault.

High gas prices? Bush's fault.

The labor movement is on the ropes? It's Bush's fault.

Al Qaeda attacked the US? It's Bush's fault.

It snowed today? It's Bush's fault.

Remember hurricane Katrina? Some left-wing nutjob made the incredulous claim that the hurricane was the result of global warming, and that the global warming was Bush's fault.

With rhetoric like this, I don't see how any person can honestly take the Democrats seriously.
 
bufordtpisser said:
Kerry supporters beware, there has been a marked increase in the number of accident of automobiles with John Kerry stickers on them.
That is because I ram every one of those p.o.s. rust-bucket Chevy Luminas off the road when I see them. Just doing my part to keep the Country safe.;)
 
Kit Sullivan said:
Check again. 12 miners died there, so that brings the total amount of Miner deaths much higher under Bush's watch. Unfortunately, your attempt to use statistics to prove Shrub's innocence in this tragedy has only served to prove and underscore the duplicitous nature of him and his entire administration. How sad that some people still try to defend someone who has already gauranteed that his legacy will be 'The Worst President in the history of the United States.' Even unintelligent rats jump off a sinking ship, you know.

See, this is how I know you fibs are Kool-aid drinkers. You didn't even read the stats on the article I posted. The link is there, but you didn't bother. If you had, you would have seen that the total number of deaths from 1995-1999 were 153, while the total number of deaths from 2000-2004 were 129. Hmm...THAT'S A DECREASE UNDER BUSH'S WATCH!

The total for this year and 2005 combined is 15, including this latest tragedy. But EVEN IF YOU LUMP THAT IN WITH THE 2000-2004 numbers, it's STILL LOWER by 9.

Go back to elementary school and learn how to read and add.

*owned*
 
Administration Neglected Coal Mining Safety
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/04/coal-mining/
Bloomberg reveals(http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=aAcRjFr7_TNs&refer=top_world_news):

Federal authorities issued 21 citations last year for a build-up of combustible materials at the West Virginia mine where 12 men died, according to U.S. Labor Department statistics.

The mining explosion should call attention to the Bush administration’s inadequate enforcement of federal mining safety regulations. Mining safety in the U.S. has improved dramatically since the Mining Safety and Health Act was signed in 1977. By the time that President Clinton signed the International Labor Organization’s Convention 176 concerning safety and health in mines, mining deaths dropped from 425 in 1970 to 85 in 2000.

Phil Smith, the communications director for the United Mine Workers of America, said that while citations have been issued, the fines assessed for safety violations are too small to force large corporations to make improvements. “The problem with the current laws is enforcement.” According to an AFL-CIO analysis, the Bush administration cut 170 positions from federal Mine Safety and Health Administration (MSHA) and has not proposed a single new mine-safety standard or rule during its tenure.

And there’s a reason for that. The Washington Post reported that West Virginia coal firms raised $275,000 for Bush.

Last September, Bush rewarded the coal industry by placing coal industry veteran Richard Stickler in charge of MSHA. Stickler spent about 30 years as a coal company manager with Beth Energy. Mines managed by Stickler were marked by worker injury rates that were double the national average, according to government data cited by the United Mine Workers union.

UPDATE:

Confined Space(http://spewingforth.blogspot.com/2006/01/behind-mine-disaster.html) has this interesting analysis:

The fact is that President Bush has not requested budgets for OSHA or MSHA that even keep up with the rate of inflation and mandatory pay increases over the past several years while penalties for OSHA or MSHA violations remain laughably low. The highest penalty of the more than 200 citations received last year by the Sago mine was $878. But that was the exception. Most of the others were $250 or $60. At that rate, it’s hardly a good business decision to even bother fixing anything. And the administration has shut down any new worker protection standards in OSHA and MSHA.

Of course the Shrubbys will pooh-pooh this article because it's from a site they don't like, but this kind of behavior by this administration has been reported numerous times before.
There have been close to 100 appointees (if not more by now) in various agencies who were lawyers for or corporate officers of companies these agencies are charged with regulating ("can we say fox in charge of the henhouse"?). It's a disgrace, and another example of selling out the American public for a buck.


;) :mad: :mad:
 
...on a side note, this is the first time I've seen Kit Sullivan posting here. It's good to see new members participating in this forum. Welcome.
 
Kit Sullivan said:
Check again. 12 miners died there, so that brings the total amount of Miner deaths much higher under Bush's watch. Unfortunately, your attempt to use statistics to prove Shrub's innocence in this tragedy has only served to prove and underscore the duplicitous nature of him and his entire administration. How sad that some people still try to defend someone who has already gauranteed that his legacy will be 'The Worst President in the history of the United States.' Even unintelligent rats jump off a sinking ship, you know.

Bush is at fault for this tragedy? Isn't the owner of the mine directly at fault, as the employer? Bush should have helicoptered to the mine to check it out?

You tell me. You are stretching beyond any normal person’s imagination.
 
So, despite the fact the liberal argument in here doesn't hold any water. Pretending they were right, and things had gotten worse, wouldn't this be more accurately associated with the State and Local government, and MAYBE the congress?

People who don't understand government try to blame the President for everything. I remember in college my Congressman came to the class. Despite getting the same answer everything time "education is really a state issue" the braindead students repeatedly kept asking him about education spending.
 

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