Bush takes the blame for Fed response in NO

Wow - well, finally he has done something I have to give him some respect for.
 
I trust no government to help me in a disaster, this is not the first time the U.S. government has blown it when needed. I am afraid to say it's everyman for himself.
 
GWB just went up 5 percentage points in my personal poll.
 
Although I would agree that it's a good thing that he is taking responsibility for the poor response to Katrina, it strikes me as nothing more than a new tactic to curry favor with his base. I've seen a lot of articles lately that indicated that people were finally seeing through the usual bluff and bluster this administration has used. His ratings have been falling "like a turd in a well" and this strikes me as nothing more than an attempt to save his ratings as well as calm the building national displeasure with the repug party. They have to be concerned about the 2006 elections, wouldn't want to lose their majority in the house or senate before they've finished ramming through all the things on Shrubs agenda.
 
barry2952 said:
GWB just went up 5 percentage points in my personal poll.
Up from 0 to 5. Is that a 500% increase or a 5% increase?
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97silverlsc said:
Although I would agree that it's a good thing that he is taking responsibility for the poor response to Katrina, it strikes me as nothing more than a new tactic to curry favor with his base. I've seen a lot of articles lately that indicated that people were finally seeing through the usual bluff and bluster this administration has used. His ratings have been falling "like a turd in a well" and this strikes me as nothing more than an attempt to save his ratings as well as calm the building national displeasure with the repug party. They have to be concerned about the 2006 elections, wouldn't want to lose their majority in the house or senate before they've finished ramming through all the things on Shrubs agenda.

:I While it was nice seeing BuSh FINALLY taste some humble pie, don't think for a minute that he is not expecting some positive payback for the GOP from that action. If he'd stop more bucks at the oval office like that, I'd have much more respect for him, regardless if he continues to screw up or not.
 
The much needed around here --- Satire Alert! ---

Responsibility Missing from Gulf Coast, Bush Took It
by Scott Ott
(2005-09-14) -- After two weeks of speculation about what happened to personal responsibility on the Gulf Coast in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, President George Bush finally admitted yesterday that he has taken it.

"...to the extent that the federal government didn't fully do its job right, I take responsibility," the president told reporters at a news conference as he stood next to Iraqi President Jalal Talabani.

New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin and Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco, who first alerted Americans to the absence of responsibility, issued a joint statement downplaying the significance of the Bush announcement.

"Now that the president has taken responsibility, he can keep it," the Democrat leaders said. "We don't have much use for it in state and local government. After years of benevolent Democrat leadership, most of our constituents think that it all lies in Washington anyway, so they won't even notice it was taken."

Meanwhile, some members of Congress called for an investigation.

"Bush's announcement that he takes responsibility is being spun to sound like something new," said one unnamed Democrat senator. "But we can see from his actions that he's been on-the-take for years. He didn't just take responsibility yesterday. He had it all along. I can certainly confirm that it was nowhere to be found in Congress. Our hands are clean."
 
I am still dumbfounded as to how the Local and State Government gets a PASS on responsibility here...? LA. Gov. Blanco admitted she was "Overwhelmed and had difficulty in declaring emergency evacuation status so early..." Nagin is a goof...
Both State and Local governments were well aware of the disaster potential of a
Cat-4/5 Hurricane hitting their area. So when the situation happened... Their failures
get overlooked and pushed to FED? WHY? Why were there over 300 school buses that could have been used to evacuate people left in the parking lots?? Just amazing
how all of that is overlooked.
 
Jamler3 said:
WHY? Why were there over 300 school buses that could have been used to evacuate people left in the parking lots??
I guess you didn't hear Mayor Nagin's answer to that question. His response was something like ~ it is very difficult to get qualified drivers to drive when there is a hurricane coming. No b.s. He said it would be tough to get them. He failed to mention if he even TRIED to get them. Qualified drivers? Ha. Hurricane? Ha. It is alot more dangerous for a school bus driver to make his rounds picking up his load of high school kids than it would be to ferry a bunch of elderly around. Don't you think?
 
MonsterMark said:
I guess you didn't hear Mayor Nagin's answer to that question. His response was something like ~ it is very difficult to get qualified drivers to drive when there is a hurricane coming. No b.s. He said it would be tough to get them. He failed to mention if he even TRIED to get them. Qualified drivers? Ha. Hurricane? Ha. It is alot more dangerous for a school bus driver to make his rounds picking up his load of high school kids than it would be to ferry a bunch of elderly around. Don't you think?

Sure, except when dozens of the drivers for those buses have already left town days ago, and now the only people you can find to drive are not even legally licensed...and then they crash the bus or take it somewhere they're not supposed to and the city gets sued because of it. Great idea man...
 
Jamler3 said:
I am still dumbfounded as to how the Local and State Government gets a PASS on responsibility here...? LA. Gov. Blanco admitted she was "Overwhelmed and had difficulty in declaring emergency evacuation status so early..." Nagin is a goof...
Both State and Local governments were well aware of the disaster potential of a
Cat-4/5 Hurricane hitting their area. So when the situation happened... Their failures
get overlooked and pushed to FED? WHY? Why were there over 300 school buses that could have been used to evacuate people left in the parking lots?? Just amazing
how all of that is overlooked.

They don't get a pass...they have been blamed as much as anyone else...even in this article. The problem as I sated before is a matter of leadership. Bush should have stepped in when he found that the decisions of people under him were endangering lives...that's why FEMA was given the right to suspend constitutional law as a part of it's duties in the first place.

Ultimately everyone is responsible from the guy who engineered the levy to the President for not responding quickly and decisively.
 
raVeneyes said:
Sure, except when dozens of the drivers for those buses have already left town days ago, and now the only people you can find to drive are not even legally licensed...and then they crash the bus or take it somewhere they're not supposed to and the city gets sued because of it. Great idea man...

Letting them drown was even better. Obviously.

Legally licensed? Bunch of b.s. bull crap. Half the national guard knows how to drive big equipment. Police can do it. Fireman can do it.

Hell. I can go right down to U-Haul and rent a HUGE 24 foot TRUCK, put 10,000 lbs of the Fibs crap in it and drive it down the road. The only 'proof' I need is a valid driver's license. To toss that "not even legally licensed" crap out there is laughable.

Please start over. I'll give you another shot at it.
 
raVeneyes said:
or take it somewhere they're not supposed to and the city gets sued because of it. Great idea man...

Boo hoo who.

Let's see. Chopping off roof tops and helicoptering people out one by one was a much better idea.

Can you hear the whining. And the city might get get sued because some guy took a bus for a joy ride in a storm.

If these are some of the real issues we face in our disaster prevention planning, we are all screwed my friend.
 
MonsterMark said:
Letting them drown was even better. Obviously.

Legally licensed? Bunch of b.s. bull crap. Half the national guard knows how to drive big equipment. Police can do it. Fireman can do it.

Hell. I can go right down to U-Haul and rent a HUGE 24 foot TRUCK, put 10,000 lbs of the Fibs crap in it and drive it down the road. The only 'proof' I need is a valid driver's license. To toss that "not even legally licensed" crap out there is laughable.

Please start over. I'll give you another shot at it.

I didn't say letting them drown was better, I'm just pointing out what would have happened had it gone the other way. There would have been a senatorial debate about why three buses crashed...and should governors be given so much power to deputize unqualified people, and commandeer buses.

There weren't any National Guardsmen there to evacuate people. Police and Fire departments had mostly pulled out as well.

To drive a bus you need a CDL because they have air breaks...and even when they don't you still need a CDL because you're transporting more than a few people.

The bus thing is ridiculous already anyway...they weren't utilized, whatever the reason they weren't it doesn't matter. The whole situations sucks a big one and if you want to know who's to blame...it's everyone
 
This is a no win situation to debate. If the federal government had stepped in and instituted FEMA's full powers as well as declaring martial law there would have been a HUGE outcry from the left about the Presidents complete lack of regard for Constitutional rights.

Lefties are alot like us military members in that way...if they ain't bitchin' they ain't happy :biggrin:
 
MonsterMark said:
Up from 0 to 5. Is that a 500% increase or a 5% increase?
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More like from 20% to 25%. That would be a 25% increase. Let's give credit where credit is due.

I truly think that had BuSh had done this with WMD I'd actually be tipping the scales at 51%. I don't understand why admitting this screw-up is any different than admitting they failed to gather proper intelligence on WMD.

Why does the buck stop at GWB on Katrina and not on Iraq?
 
President Bush was asked today for his position regarding Roe v. Wade.















His response: "I don't care how people get out of New Orleans." :rolleyes:
 
raVeneyes said:
I didn't say letting them drown was better, I'm just pointing out what would have happened had it gone the other way. There would have been a senatorial debate about why three buses crashed...and should governors be given so much power to deputize unqualified people, and commandeer buses.

There weren't any National Guardsmen there to evacuate people. Police and Fire departments had mostly pulled out as well.

To drive a bus you need a CDL because they have air breaks...and even when they don't you still need a CDL because you're transporting more than a few people.

The bus thing is ridiculous already anyway...they weren't utilized, whatever the reason they weren't it doesn't matter. The whole situations sucks a big one and if you want to know who's to blame...it's everyone

Using your "danged if you do, danged if you don't" logic, if the President had trampled the local jurisdiction too early, he would have been accused of overstepping his bounds. It was a no-win situation. I wouldn't be surprised of the Governor vacillated on purpose just to try setting him up for that. Then again on second thought, she's not that smart. She's just a weakling, no better than the mayor. IMO Bush gave the local govt time to resolve their own problems before overriding the situation. I believe the FED should always defer to local govts in these matters anyway. FED is too big IMO.
 
barry2952 said:
President Bush was asked today for his position regarding Roe v. Wade.

His response: "I don't care how people get out of New Orleans." :rolleyes:

LMAO. If he actually said that, he'd be considered a genius in my book.
 
fossten said:
Using your "danged if you do, danged if you don't" logic, if the President had trampled the local jurisdiction too early, he would have been accused of overstepping his bounds. It was a no-win situation. I wouldn't be surprised of the Governor vacillated on purpose just to try setting him up for that. Then again on second thought, she's not that smart. She's just a weakling, no better than the mayor. IMO Bush gave the local govt time to resolve their own problems before overriding the situation. I believe the FED should always defer to local govts in these matters anyway. FED is too big IMO.
That is why I said the Fibs have wittlingly just pushed for more Federal control. They can't handle anything themselves and are always looking for big brother to bail them out.

Libs, don't say a word next time Bush acts like a bully. That is want you want and need. Kind of like a woman that keeps going back to her wife-beating husband.
 
wow..what a fantasy world you guys are living in. Amazing how well your world ruled by an iron handed conservative christian works in your heads.

Thankfully it's not the real world
 

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