Bush tellin it straight!
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MonsterMark
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Chopping up clips to make a video like that is b.s. I wouldn't even call it funny. 
Can't we have any decency and respect for the office of President or are we so full of hate because our guy lost as to stoop to any low to gain political favor? Pathetic.
Can't we have any decency and respect for the office of President or are we so full of hate because our guy lost as to stoop to any low to gain political favor? Pathetic.
MonsterMark
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I have more respect for the Office than you obviously do.barry2952 said:
I'll be around when the Dem's take it in '08. We'll see then how respectful of the office you are then. If I'm wrong, I'll apologize. Until then, I doubt your statement.
Please explain something. Are Senators and Congressmen/women so lowly in your opinion that we can bash them, but not the President? Why, in you opinion, should the President garner more respect than his colleagues in the House and Senate?
Please explain something. Are Senators and Congressmen/women so lowly in your opinion that we can bash them, but not the President? Why, in you opinion, should the President garner more respect than his colleagues in the House and Senate?
fossten
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barry2952 said:
Bryan, make his prediction a sticky so he can eat those words.
This will be easier than shooting ducks in a pond; it'll be like dynamiting fish in a barrel.
mach8
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That's so wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!
We should take to the streets and riot, overturn cars and burn Democratic party strongholds. Isn't that what the religion of peace and those poor Palistinians would do? Well maybe a few car bombs too..........
We should take to the streets and riot, overturn cars and burn Democratic party strongholds. Isn't that what the religion of peace and those poor Palistinians would do? Well maybe a few car bombs too..........
Gruuvin8
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There is a huge difference between fabricating a clip where the subjects words and intentions are taken out of context to make them look silly and a clip where it is completely obvious what the intentions are.
Today, the liberal party politicians are hanging themselves all by themselves with no help from the court jokers, but the only way to make the conservatives look foolish is to "fabricate" jokes that are far from the truth. THE LEFT DOES NOTHING BUT DISTORT THE INTENTIONS OF THE RIGHT.
The right doesnt have to doctor up reality to make the libs look foolish, the libs are doing it all on their own more and more these days, while the left is stooping lower and lower in their disrespect for our administration by distorting reality. Why? cuz they hate. they hate that they can't remain in power with the notion that everybody gets to pick their own reality, or define truth and morality as a relative thing based on each individuals feelings. They have become hoodwinked and are so far out of touch with what is really going on beyond thier tunnel vision utopia and so cant see the direction this world is actually headed in.
well, as the last election showed as well as the last six years has proved, the majority of America is not fooled with the lefts empty antics, and the left is not even close to being fit to rule until they calm down and become reasonable.
If the world of individuals refuses to govern themselves under the umbrella of absolute truth and morality and wants to imagine thier own comfortable truth, then they will be controlled by the more powerful and wicked, and deservedly so.
Today, the liberal party politicians are hanging themselves all by themselves with no help from the court jokers, but the only way to make the conservatives look foolish is to "fabricate" jokes that are far from the truth. THE LEFT DOES NOTHING BUT DISTORT THE INTENTIONS OF THE RIGHT.
The right doesnt have to doctor up reality to make the libs look foolish, the libs are doing it all on their own more and more these days, while the left is stooping lower and lower in their disrespect for our administration by distorting reality. Why? cuz they hate. they hate that they can't remain in power with the notion that everybody gets to pick their own reality, or define truth and morality as a relative thing based on each individuals feelings. They have become hoodwinked and are so far out of touch with what is really going on beyond thier tunnel vision utopia and so cant see the direction this world is actually headed in.
well, as the last election showed as well as the last six years has proved, the majority of America is not fooled with the lefts empty antics, and the left is not even close to being fit to rule until they calm down and become reasonable.
If the world of individuals refuses to govern themselves under the umbrella of absolute truth and morality and wants to imagine thier own comfortable truth, then they will be controlled by the more powerful and wicked, and deservedly so.
Gruuvin8
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sup barry.... long time no chat!
I know that you know that I am definately not joking. Do ya think truth is relative or absolute? how about morality?
I know they are absolute. They are not different for each person, only peoples perceptions of what is true/false, right/wrong are different. But, regardless of those perceptions, truth and moral objectivity do not change.
Churchill said:
Truth is incontrovertable. Ignorance may deride it; malice may attack it, but in the end, there it is.
makes a lotta sense.
and if you dont think that there is absolute truth and moral objectivity, then how can you know what these things are? how can you keep from being fooled? how can you recognize lies?
I know that you know that I am definately not joking. Do ya think truth is relative or absolute? how about morality?
I know they are absolute. They are not different for each person, only peoples perceptions of what is true/false, right/wrong are different. But, regardless of those perceptions, truth and moral objectivity do not change.
Churchill said:
Truth is incontrovertable. Ignorance may deride it; malice may attack it, but in the end, there it is.
makes a lotta sense.
and if you dont think that there is absolute truth and moral objectivity, then how can you know what these things are? how can you keep from being fooled? how can you recognize lies?
Gruuvin8 said:
Those are real good questions.
Truth is not absolute as we base many "truths" on previous writings and stories that have obviously changed over time. Those "truths" can change with new information. Would you not agree.
For example. A man is convicted of murder because all the circumstantial evidence point to guilt. The person was convicted based on the best known evidence at the time, the "truths". Years later, DNA evidence proves the previous "truths" wrong.
Morality is another issue altogether. Ten Commandment "truths" are universally moral yet many things that some consider immoral are simply not. The issue of assisted suicide come to mind. The Commandments do not address this so it goes away from the moral issue and become a legal one.
Can we effectively legislate morality? It hasn't worked in the past, has it. Prohibition, prostitution, gambling, etc.....
bufordtpisser
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May I interject on just one point
Perceived truths based on fallable evidence are not truths in the first place. So history did not change the facts. History just correctly reported the original unchanged truths. The truth in your example did not change, just the science that we used to interpret it did.
I will not touch the morality issue. Different countries and different religions interpret morality using a different set of values. Are Christians right, are Muslims?? Bhuddists??. I guess that we will all find out in the end!!
barry2952 said:
Perceived truths based on fallable evidence are not truths in the first place. So history did not change the facts. History just correctly reported the original unchanged truths. The truth in your example did not change, just the science that we used to interpret it did.
I will not touch the morality issue. Different countries and different religions interpret morality using a different set of values. Are Christians right, are Muslims?? Bhuddists??. I guess that we will all find out in the end!!
Gruuvin8
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I would agree with buford
the truth doesnt change, only the perception of it;
there is a huge difference. what we perceive to be truth doesnt count as "truth" until it passes tests over and over, beyond doubt. only time will tell.
when science for thousands of years said that the sun, moon, stars and planets revolved around the earth, was it truth? at the time, that "science" may have worked to a certain degree, but it did fail quite often because it simply wasnt truth; it was very flawed. today we have a much better idea of the truth in that type of science and other sciences, and look at how much it benefits us now. The same will happen for our freedom when we understand philosophical truths much better.
and as far as what is morally right and wrong, yes, many religions try to interperate what is right and wrong. but, the reality of what IS right and wrong still doesnt change; only the interpretation of it. moral right and wrong is integral of truth. they are inseperable. actually they are one in the same. truth dictates what is and what ought to be.
and i agree, moral objectivity can not be satisfactorily legislated by world powers or governments. History shows us this. Yes we must have laws, and consequences, but the government has to come from the understanding of what really is (truth) and exercised by the individual (self governance). This is the only way people can be free. If we can not govern ourselves, then we become intolerable. if we can not tolerate each other than we deny each other freedom. we demand laws to govern our annoying neighbors, but those laws progress to opress our children.
of course this sounds impossible because it can seem impossible to fully know all absolute truth. but we dont need to understand everything to begin. just as learning truth is a progression towards wisdom, learning self governance is a progression towards freedom. it is actually ONLY by exercising self governance and a willingness to learn truth that we begin to learn and be free. By denying that there even is absolute truth, we never start and we get nowhere.
America was founded on some of the principles and truths that was learned from thier prior mistakes. the founders believed in absolute truth and moral objectivity. The govt. was drawn up to be very minimal, and this govt. relied implicitly on the self governance of each individual in order for it to work properly. Ya they made mistakes, and they corrected some mistakes. then they made new ones. now we have a country that is trying to reject the truths and values it was built on, denying that there even is such a thing as absolute truth and moral objectivity, and declining as a result.
the truth doesnt change, only the perception of it;
there is a huge difference. what we perceive to be truth doesnt count as "truth" until it passes tests over and over, beyond doubt. only time will tell.
when science for thousands of years said that the sun, moon, stars and planets revolved around the earth, was it truth? at the time, that "science" may have worked to a certain degree, but it did fail quite often because it simply wasnt truth; it was very flawed. today we have a much better idea of the truth in that type of science and other sciences, and look at how much it benefits us now. The same will happen for our freedom when we understand philosophical truths much better.
and as far as what is morally right and wrong, yes, many religions try to interperate what is right and wrong. but, the reality of what IS right and wrong still doesnt change; only the interpretation of it. moral right and wrong is integral of truth. they are inseperable. actually they are one in the same. truth dictates what is and what ought to be.
and i agree, moral objectivity can not be satisfactorily legislated by world powers or governments. History shows us this. Yes we must have laws, and consequences, but the government has to come from the understanding of what really is (truth) and exercised by the individual (self governance). This is the only way people can be free. If we can not govern ourselves, then we become intolerable. if we can not tolerate each other than we deny each other freedom. we demand laws to govern our annoying neighbors, but those laws progress to opress our children.
of course this sounds impossible because it can seem impossible to fully know all absolute truth. but we dont need to understand everything to begin. just as learning truth is a progression towards wisdom, learning self governance is a progression towards freedom. it is actually ONLY by exercising self governance and a willingness to learn truth that we begin to learn and be free. By denying that there even is absolute truth, we never start and we get nowhere.
America was founded on some of the principles and truths that was learned from thier prior mistakes. the founders believed in absolute truth and moral objectivity. The govt. was drawn up to be very minimal, and this govt. relied implicitly on the self governance of each individual in order for it to work properly. Ya they made mistakes, and they corrected some mistakes. then they made new ones. now we have a country that is trying to reject the truths and values it was built on, denying that there even is such a thing as absolute truth and moral objectivity, and declining as a result.
Iancusp
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dont even care for bush but that was WHACK