MonsterMark
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MonsterMark
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America really needs to wake up and soon...
Serious comrades, wake up!
The best non-nuclear weapon right now is the F-22. It is the King of the Sky. America controls the skies anywhere in the world with this plane. And Obama is killing it. Our Number 1 weapon, non-nuclear, he is cancelling. Unbelieveable. Think of all the good-income jobs he is eliminating while making us weaker. If we wanted positive stimulus to move the economy, this is the one-place America gets a decent return on investment. Staying safe. #1 priority right? Not with Obama
FREE SPEECH TV: Obama Finally Finds Something We Can’t Afford: Military Superiority
Imagine a fighter jet that would give the United States complete air superiority in any conflict. An aircraft that’s faster, has longer range, and is more fuel-efficient at high speeds than any aircraft ever built. A plane virtually invisible to radar and deadly accurate, almost guaranteeing that any selected target would be destroyed. An aircraft so advanced that the armed forces of every country on earth are scared to death of it and know that they would be defenseless against it for years to come.
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“It’s a [huge] loss of jobs,” said Sen. Johnny Isakson (R-GA). “It’s 90,000 jobs across 49 states … final assembly takes place in Marietta [Georgia], but parts and software and employees work at 49 states to make the F-22.”
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Serious comrades, wake up!
The best non-nuclear weapon right now is the F-22. It is the King of the Sky. America controls the skies anywhere in the world with this plane. And Obama is killing it. Our Number 1 weapon, non-nuclear, he is cancelling. Unbelieveable. Think of all the good-income jobs he is eliminating while making us weaker. If we wanted positive stimulus to move the economy, this is the one-place America gets a decent return on investment. Staying safe. #1 priority right? Not with Obama
FREE SPEECH TV: Obama Finally Finds Something We Can’t Afford: Military Superiority
Imagine a fighter jet that would give the United States complete air superiority in any conflict. An aircraft that’s faster, has longer range, and is more fuel-efficient at high speeds than any aircraft ever built. A plane virtually invisible to radar and deadly accurate, almost guaranteeing that any selected target would be destroyed. An aircraft so advanced that the armed forces of every country on earth are scared to death of it and know that they would be defenseless against it for years to come.
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“It’s a [huge] loss of jobs,” said Sen. Johnny Isakson (R-GA). “It’s 90,000 jobs across 49 states … final assembly takes place in Marietta [Georgia], but parts and software and employees work at 49 states to make the F-22.”
more here
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Marcus
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Oh come on. It was Gates who recommended stopping the F-22 program.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/fir...ates-calling-cuts-high-tech-weapons-programs/
Excerpt:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/fir...ates-calling-cuts-high-tech-weapons-programs/
Excerpt:
Defense Secretary Robert Gates on Monday recommended a broad range of budgetary cuts to high-tech weapons programs, including production of the F-22 fighter jet.
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To fight new threats from insurgents, Gates is proposing more funding for special forces and other tools.
"In many ways, my recommendations represent a cumulative outcome of a lifetime spent in the national security arena -- but above all, questions asked, experience gained and lessons learned from over two years of leading this department, and in particular, from our experience in Iraq and Afghanistan," Gates said.
He said his recommendations would "profoundly reform" the way the Defense Department does business.
"We must re-balance this department's programs in order to institutionalize and finance our capabilities to fight the wars we are in today and the scenarios we are most likely to face in the years ahead, while at the same time providing a hedge against other risks and contingencies," he said.
Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., the 2008 GOP presidential nominee, said in a written statement that Gates' plan was a "major step in the right direction."
"It has long been necessary to shift spending away from weapon systems plagued by scheduling and cost overruns to ones that strike the correct balance between the needs of our deployed forces and the requirements for meeting the emerging threats of tomorrow," he said.
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To fight new threats from insurgents, Gates is proposing more funding for special forces and other tools.
"In many ways, my recommendations represent a cumulative outcome of a lifetime spent in the national security arena -- but above all, questions asked, experience gained and lessons learned from over two years of leading this department, and in particular, from our experience in Iraq and Afghanistan," Gates said.
He said his recommendations would "profoundly reform" the way the Defense Department does business.
"We must re-balance this department's programs in order to institutionalize and finance our capabilities to fight the wars we are in today and the scenarios we are most likely to face in the years ahead, while at the same time providing a hedge against other risks and contingencies," he said.
Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., the 2008 GOP presidential nominee, said in a written statement that Gates' plan was a "major step in the right direction."
"It has long been necessary to shift spending away from weapon systems plagued by scheduling and cost overruns to ones that strike the correct balance between the needs of our deployed forces and the requirements for meeting the emerging threats of tomorrow," he said.
The 22 is controversial.
The arguments in favor of it are balanced by the arguments against it.
The arguments against it usually are based on the fact that cost of the F-22 is causing other flight groups to be decommissioned. How many B-52s are worth one F-22?
The F-22 has air superiority, but so does the F-15.
So does the F-16.
And the Navy's F-18 does pretty well too.
It all depends on what kind of war you think we need to prepare for.
If they resemble the wars in Iraq, then it's unnecessary.
If you think we might be going to war with the Soviets or Chinese-
countries that would be more than willing to sustain 1 to 30 kill rations (one of us for every 30 of them), then we need the F-22. A fighter than can kill a dozen of them before it even is within the missile range of the other plane.
...on another note-
the picture of Joe Biden licking the paint brush made me laugh.
The arguments in favor of it are balanced by the arguments against it.
The arguments against it usually are based on the fact that cost of the F-22 is causing other flight groups to be decommissioned. How many B-52s are worth one F-22?
The F-22 has air superiority, but so does the F-15.
So does the F-16.
And the Navy's F-18 does pretty well too.
It all depends on what kind of war you think we need to prepare for.
If they resemble the wars in Iraq, then it's unnecessary.
If you think we might be going to war with the Soviets or Chinese-
countries that would be more than willing to sustain 1 to 30 kill rations (one of us for every 30 of them), then we need the F-22. A fighter than can kill a dozen of them before it even is within the missile range of the other plane.
...on another note-
the picture of Joe Biden licking the paint brush made me laugh.
MonsterMark
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Really?
One F-22 Raptor took out 7 -- F16's in a Top Gun DogFight. The F-16's didn't even see him, much less get a shot off. Ask any Navy or Air Force Pilot which jet they would want to be in. My guesss, 100-0. F-22.
And why do you think Gates was kept on.Marcus said:
Amazing. Simple amazing.
MonsterMark
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Yeah, against everything else out there today.
And I've discussed this topic quite extensively with my Air Force pilot friends.
That's exactly right, the F-22 can get it's first shot off long before any other air craft is even aware of them. It's able to have a much more complete picture of any battle field because it computer synch up with satellite and other reconosis information.
There is no doubt, it's an incredible machine.
And they've worked most of the kinks out of it by now.
But I don't think the F-22 can't out turn the F 16, or outrun the F 15.
The pilots I know don't really care for the F-22 because they think of it in terms of pork spending. They respect it, but, I was genuinely surprised to find that they objected to it.
As I mentioned before, how many B-52s do you decommission to put one F-22 in service? How many F-15s do you send to an early retirement for one F-22? But, I don't think Obama is going to increase the funding to the F-15s and B-52s while cutting the funding to the F-22s either.
If we were replacing air craft that reached the end of it's service life with the F-22s, that'd be good. I don't think we should retire them and replace them prematurely.
This administration is going to cut the funding to the F-22, which was largely diverted from the funding of the other aircraft. The issue here, as I see it, is that Obama is cutting military spending, while recklessly expanding domestic spending, at a time of HUGE international tension and turmoil.
Marcus
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What's amazing is your blind partisanship and willingness to pin everything you can on Obama. Country first my ass.And why do you think Gates was kept on.
Amazing. Simple amazing.
Rumsfeld wanted it cut too:
...Days later, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld confirmed reports that the Pentagon planned to cut the number of F/A-22's it would buy by about a third, sending shock waves through the Air Force.
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But even though it is the Air Force's No. 1 priority, the F/A-22 tops the list of $30 billion in weapons programs that Mr. Rumsfeld wants to chop from the fiscal 2006 budget and years beyond as the Bush administration seeks to rein in spending while the costs of the war in Iraq continue unabated and a budget deficit looms.
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Mr. Rumsfeld's decision to provide funds for only 180 F/A-22 Raptors, down from a previously planned 277, suggests that the Air Force has become more vulnerable in Washington's endless bureaucratic wars. That is partly a result of a growing political scandal over Air Force procurement practices that contributed to the resignation of Air Force Secretary James Roche, a staunch F/A-22 supporter.
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But even though it is the Air Force's No. 1 priority, the F/A-22 tops the list of $30 billion in weapons programs that Mr. Rumsfeld wants to chop from the fiscal 2006 budget and years beyond as the Bush administration seeks to rein in spending while the costs of the war in Iraq continue unabated and a budget deficit looms.
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Mr. Rumsfeld's decision to provide funds for only 180 F/A-22 Raptors, down from a previously planned 277, suggests that the Air Force has become more vulnerable in Washington's endless bureaucratic wars. That is partly a result of a growing political scandal over Air Force procurement practices that contributed to the resignation of Air Force Secretary James Roche, a staunch F/A-22 supporter.
MonsterMark
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Protecting America is the President's No.1 job. I guess the buck doesn't stop on your desk either.
Bottom line, Obama is the one that is cancelling it.