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Hospital patient taken to face U.S. marijuana charge

Lawyer: 'This is totally inhumane'

Thursday, October 13, 2005; Posted: 9:17 a.m. EDT (13:17 GMT)

SEATTLE, Washington (AP) -- An Army veteran who fled to Canada to avoid prosecution for growing marijuana to treat his chronic pain was taken from a hospital, driven to the border with a catheter still attached, and turned over to U.S. officials, his lawyer said.

Steven W. Tuck then went five days with no medical treatment and only ibuprofen for the pain, the attorney said.

Tuck, 38, was still fitted with the urinary catheter when he shuffled into federal court Wednesday for a detention hearing Wednesday.

"This is totally inhumane. He's been tortured for days for no reason," Hiatt said.

U.S. Magistrate Judge James P. Donohue ordered Tuck temporarily released so he could be taken to a hospital for treatment. But by the time Donohoe issued his order, King County Jail officials had received a detainment request from Humboldt County, California, so Tuck was not released Wednesday, Hiatt said.

"I can't believe we've run into another snag here," the lawyer said.

Tuck suffered debilitating injuries in the 1980s when his parachute failed to open during a jump. Those injuries were exacerbated by a car crash in 1990, Hiatt said, and Tuck was using marijuana for chronic pain.

In 2001, while Tuck was living in McKinleyville, California, his marijuana operation was raided for the second time. He fled to British Columbia to avoid prosecution but asylum was denied.

Tuck checked last Friday into a Vancouver hospital for prostate problems and was arrested there by Canadian authorities.

Richard Cowan, a friend, said he was with Tuck at the hospital when authorities arrested him.

"I would not believe it unless I had seen it," Cowan said. "They sent people in to arrest him while he was on a gurney. They took him out of the hospital in handcuffs, put him in an SUV, and drove him to the border."

Tuck was turned over to Whatcom County Jail officials, who called federal marshals. The marshals took him to the King County Jail in Seattle.

Although Tuck has taken morphine -- as prescribed by doctors -- for about 16 years to help with his pain, he was given no painkiller or treatment at the jail other than ibuprofen, Hiatt said.

Tuck appeared emaciated in court, and Hiatt said he had been sick from morphine withdrawal.

King County Jail officials did not return a call seeking comment, and the Royal Canadian Mounted Police had no comment.

Tuck is charged federally with unlawful flight to avoid prosecution. Donohue agreed to release him on the condition that he face the charge in the Northern District of California upon his release from the hospital.

The Supreme Court ruled in June that people who smoke marijuana because their doctors recommend it to ease pain can be prosecuted for violating federal drug laws, even in states like California that have laws permitting medical marijuana use.
 
HA!...all the little problems we were having on this forum have been erased...

How's about a fresh start gentlmen?
 
Freefaller,

You're a serviceman. What do you think about this situation? He was hurt in a diving accident while serving his country.
 
Oh...my grandfather was on the chronic for his cancer. I'm very much in favor of medicinal marijuana.

As for what happened to this individual. Seems like the authorities were being real pricks. But it also seems like only half the story is getting told here....irregardless he should have been given adequate medical attention.
 
The biggest problem medical marijuana faces is the result of degenerative potheads who are intent upon scamming the system.

Fraudulent pot clinics in San Francisco for example.

And, more often then not, the people advancing the medical marijuana arguments aren't doing so simply because they approve of a low side effect pain management solution, but because they are subversively trying to incrementally impose legalized marijuana. This results in damaging both causes.

And also, why set this up with a title like "Compassionate Conservative"- that will immediately pull this into the tit-for-tat partisan squabble and the issue itself would be lost. "Compassionate Conservatism" has nothing to do with this thread. I don't think it's your purpose, but in actuality it's flame-bait.

The greater issue of marijuanna legalization as a pain killer, or more broadly as an intoxicant, are interesting and valid.
 
If you wish to think it flame-baiting you may. I didn't write the article. That's what it was titled as sent to me. It raises legitamite questions about how we, as a society view individual rights.

My mother became a Morphine addict in the advanced stages of liver cancer. She would self medicate herself into a hallucinative state and call me in the middle of the night to tell me there were people stealing her bedsheets. I've never heard of anyone overdosing on pot. I know many of you have tried. :joke

Sorry if the title inflamed you.
 
Im sure the far right will condemn and crucify this man. Funny how Rush Limbaugh is going def from extreme over usage and abuse of vicodin and other regulated medical pain killers yet the far right doesnt bat an eyelash even when he condemns ANY drug user. Thats the 'Christian' right for you, 'DO AS WE SAY, NOT AS WE DO.'

I dont smoke marijuana, I have no interest to do so, but why is Marijuana illegal and alcohol isnt? Ive never heard of anyone getting so high that they beat someone to death in a drunken bar brawl, or they assaulted their spouse on a pot hazed fury nor have I ever heard on anyone smoking pot and driving and killing themselves or others.

Alcohol related deaths per year = 25,000+ (average of last 10 years)
Marijuana related deaths per year = <10
 
95DevilleNS said:
Thats the 'Christian' right for you, 'DO AS WE SAY, NOT AS WE DO.'

I tend to disagree with you on this. Most Christians do as they say. My experience is that the further right the more sin free but that sector also produces some horrific individuals that hide within the faith.

I can truthfully say (in my experience) that most Christians "walk the walk".
 
barry2952 said:
I tend to disagree with you on this. Most Christians do as they say. My experience is that the further right the more sin free but that sector also produces some horrific individuals that hide within the faith.

I can truthfully say (in my experience) that most Christians "walk the walk".

I truly wish I could agree with you, but I have met very very very few Christians that live by the ideals they preach about. Also, the farther right one is, the less likely they live by the ideals they praise. Im not happy about this, It's just what I have seen. One example I give, I have never met a Christian that did not have some sort of bigotry, be it for homosexuals or what will you. Unless I am mistaken, Christ teaches us to not judge and love ALL humanity.

I am not saying Christians are evil liars, but they fail to live by the teachings of Christ, and to me thats what being a Christian means, 'To live by the teachings of Christ'. If I am wrong on this believe please correct me anyone
 
barry2952 said:
If you wish to think it flame-baiting you may. I didn't write the article. That's what it was titled as sent to me. It raises legitamite questions about how we, as a society view individual rights.
I didn't think that you were trying to flame bait, I just was saying that a title like that might likely distract from the actual issue at hand. This isn't an issue of "compassionate conservatism."

My mother became a Morphine addict in the advanced stages of liver cancer. She would self medicate herself into a hallucinative state and call me in the middle of the night to tell me there were people stealing her bedsheets. I've never heard of anyone overdosing on pot. I know many of you have tried. :joke

Again, then what does marijuanna have to do with any of this? The guy in the story had also developed a dependency on morphine for his pain management. He just liked to smoke pot also.


Sorry if the title inflamed you.
It didn't, I just didn't want to see your thread devolve into defensive posts repeating cliches instead of actually addressing the specifics of your story, and the greater issue associated with it.

Sorry if I came across offended. I wasn't.
 
95DevilleNS said:
Im sure the far right will condemn and crucify this man.
What are they going to crucify him for?
Illegal drugs, or fleeing the country?

And you're going to argue that he needed the pot to manage pain, why did he also have a morphine addiction? Did he need both?

If he didn't have a morphine addiction, and instead used the pot instead of any other powerful drug, then this would be a much better example to support legal medicinal pot.

"But he was injured in the military" is thrown in as a little deceptive attempt to play on our patriotism and our debt to the service man.

Funny how Rush Limbaugh is going def from extreme over usage and abuse of vicodin and other regulated medical pain killers yet the far right doesnt bat an eyelash even when he condemns ANY drug user. Thats the 'Christian' right for you, 'DO AS WE SAY, NOT AS WE DO.'
Rush Limbaugh was prescribed increasingly powerful drugs as a form of pain management, and it spiraled out of control. That isn't uncommon and the pain management and the role of prescription drugs is something that we need to address in this society.

IT IS NOT A RIGHT OR LEFT ISSUE.

The Christian right isn't necessary against the use of marijuanna for pain management. They aren't necessarily for it. Stop demonizing in a lame attempt to exempt yourself from having to develop an articulated opinion.



I dont smoke marijuana, I have no interest to do so, but why is Marijuana illegal and alcohol isnt? Ive never heard of anyone getting so high that they beat someone to death in a drunken bar brawl, or they assaulted their spouse on a pot hazed fury nor have I ever heard on anyone smoking pot and driving and killing themselves or others.
So are you arguing that pot should be legally administered as a form of pain management, like the story references.

Or are you just trying to use this story as a jumping off point to argue for the legalization of the recreational use of marijuanna. A completely seperate point.

Alcohol related deaths per year = 25,000+ (average of last 10 years)
Marijuana related deaths per year = <10
So, are you arguing that alcohol should be made illegal too?


It's absolutely unfortunate that this guy was forced to endure such a level of discomfort. He's not a violent offender or a risk to the public. That really goes without saying, and I doubt you'll find anyone who doesn't feel bad for the guy having to go through MORPHINE WITHDRAWL after being captured.
 
Sorry, my fault you missed my point. I meant to include that my mother died in California. She could easily have accessed pot as a pain and diet management tool, but it was illegal. She didn't want to break the law.
 

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