Couric interviews Palin and Biden
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MonsterMark
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Pretty much says it all, doesn't it?
Let's give those photos to the American people and do a yes or no answer.
Questions would go something like this....
Do you think Couric tossed softballs to Biden?
Do you think Couric is a jealous bitch?
Let's give those photos to the American people and do a yes or no answer.
Questions would go something like this....
Do you think Couric tossed softballs to Biden?
Do you think Couric is a jealous bitch?
How about giving the interviews to the American people... I wondered - was there a reason that you didn't post the links to the interviews? I finally got to watch them... I now know why there weren't links...
Couric was tough on Palin, but, I think people are so anxious when they interview Palin that they won't get another chance, that they try to get as much as they can in, and so the softball questions aren't going to be there, Couric didn't want to waste her 30 minutes with Palin. Biden has been far more available for interviews , and so I think the press takes their time with him knowing that if they need to, they can call tomorrow and schedule another hour with him with no problems.
And yep, Couric was not overtly friendly with Palin (OK, I'll give you - bitchy). She knows Biden, it might be why she was more at ease with him. Still decent questions, especially about how he will debate Palin.
Couric was tough on Palin, but, I think people are so anxious when they interview Palin that they won't get another chance, that they try to get as much as they can in, and so the softball questions aren't going to be there, Couric didn't want to waste her 30 minutes with Palin. Biden has been far more available for interviews , and so I think the press takes their time with him knowing that if they need to, they can call tomorrow and schedule another hour with him with no problems.
And yep, Couric was not overtly friendly with Palin (OK, I'll give you - bitchy). She knows Biden, it might be why she was more at ease with him. Still decent questions, especially about how he will debate Palin.
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fossten
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HAHAHAHAAH! I love this response, it's so FASCINATING!
So your explanation as to why Couric was so harsh with Palin: It's PALIN'S FAULT! :bowrofl:
Did it ever occur to you that instead of X causing Y, Y might be causing X? In other words, Biden's ready availability might be because he knows he's going to be massaged with lotion?
Now I see why the Obama campaign uses you, your use of spin is quite good...
Your explanation sounds like media bias to me. But I'm no expert.
TheDude
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If you really think Biden didn't come off as a complete dunce and Palin did simply because of Couric and not because of the answers they spoke, then I think you're a bit delusional.
We do have the debates next week, she can redeem herself without having that Couric-monkey on her back. I wonder if she'll give the same exact reasons and wording during the debates when asked about her FPE.
Thanks for the spin compliment Foss - from a spin expert, I am flattered.
I haven't written for a campaign for 8 years - I don't plan on starting any time soon.
I still think that if Palin's handlers made her more available, that the interviewers wouldn't be so concerned that this is going to be their only chance to talk to her.
And, yep, I would say that Biden's handlers are smarter - they make the candidate available, fostering even 'friendships' and then they will be able to manipulate the press better. That is the handler's job. Biden's handlers are doing a better job than Palin's. It may not be fair - but it is a fact, Palin and her handlers need to play the game better. They know the rules.
We might not like it, but that is what we are left with.
Yes, Kbob - it is media bias - if you have been paying attention I think the media is pretty darned biased to the left. Could it be that the left is better at playing the game?
I haven't written for a campaign for 8 years - I don't plan on starting any time soon.
I still think that if Palin's handlers made her more available, that the interviewers wouldn't be so concerned that this is going to be their only chance to talk to her.
And, yep, I would say that Biden's handlers are smarter - they make the candidate available, fostering even 'friendships' and then they will be able to manipulate the press better. That is the handler's job. Biden's handlers are doing a better job than Palin's. It may not be fair - but it is a fact, Palin and her handlers need to play the game better. They know the rules.
We might not like it, but that is what we are left with.
Yes, Kbob - it is media bias - if you have been paying attention I think the media is pretty darned biased to the left. Could it be that the left is better at playing the game?
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If you're explanation were accurate and consistent, then why aren't the press ruthless and aggressive when they interview Obama?
This is the man running for the top seat, yet he's provided very little access to the media. He ran away from the offer of debates over the summer and he has yet to really engage in a long form interview with someone who wasn't a tacit member of his campaign.
Additionally, for a woman who is so elusive, she's done several long form interviews with people like Katie Couric, Charlie Gibson, and Sean Hannity. How many critical interviews have Obama done this month? How about all summer?
Truth is, you're explanation doesn't hold up to scrutiny. It's a gross double standard and an obvious demonstration not just of the media bias but of the clandestine agenda of those in who provide news.
This is the man running for the top seat, yet he's provided very little access to the media. He ran away from the offer of debates over the summer and he has yet to really engage in a long form interview with someone who wasn't a tacit member of his campaign.
Additionally, for a woman who is so elusive, she's done several long form interviews with people like Katie Couric, Charlie Gibson, and Sean Hannity. How many critical interviews have Obama done this month? How about all summer?
Truth is, you're explanation doesn't hold up to scrutiny. It's a gross double standard and an obvious demonstration not just of the media bias but of the clandestine agenda of those in who provide news.
fossten
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^^^ +1
Darn you and your facts, Cal!
Darn you and your facts, Cal!
Obama interviews since June (as to their 'hard hitting value - see my never ending responses to how left the press is). I'll stop at 20, just as I am sure you can list 20 McCain national interviews. Some of these people have interviewed him more than once.
Brian Williams
Charles Gibson
Maria Bartiromo
Chris Wallace
Jeffrey Goldberg
Jake Tapper
George Stephanopoulos
Katie Couric
Lara Logan
James Montgomery
Keith Olbermann
Candy Crowley
Fareed Zakaria
Micheal Gordon/Jeff Zeleny
Bill O'Reilly
David Brody
Luke Russer
Kathy Kiely
Wolf Blitzer
bonus - Larry King
And there are lots more - up until he had the nomination he did an average of about 3 interviews a day with local and regional media.
So, where are McCain's interviews on msnbc? Obama went with O'Reilly earlier this month. Now, it may be that Obama's campaign is better at getting the word out and manipulating the media, but I still don't think you can fault them for doing their job well.
Heck, who was going to not debate this last week?
Brian Williams
Charles Gibson
Maria Bartiromo
Chris Wallace
Jeffrey Goldberg
Jake Tapper
George Stephanopoulos
Katie Couric
Lara Logan
James Montgomery
Keith Olbermann
Candy Crowley
Fareed Zakaria
Micheal Gordon/Jeff Zeleny
Bill O'Reilly
David Brody
Luke Russer
Kathy Kiely
Wolf Blitzer
bonus - Larry King
And there are lots more - up until he had the nomination he did an average of about 3 interviews a day with local and regional media.
So, where are McCain's interviews on msnbc? Obama went with O'Reilly earlier this month. Now, it may be that Obama's campaign is better at getting the word out and manipulating the media, but I still don't think you can fault them for doing their job well.
Heck, who was going to not debate this last week?
fossten
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Pretty easy to be available to the press when they yell, "Get down! I can't see!"
First let me ask you, which one of those "journalists" gave provided the viewer an opportunity to see a critical, objective interview? O'Reilly came the closest, but he had a very limited amount of time and was extremely respectful- as he usually is. Any perception that O'reilly is some kind of attack dog is completely incorrect.
Has Obama fully addressed ANY of the issues that surround him yet? Has he honestly and completely put aside concerns about his affiliation with radical black race baiters in Chicago? What about domestic terrorists like Ayers? What about the strange and tainted allegiances he's made with countless corrupt political figures through out his political career, ones that have enabled this relatively unspectacular kid from Hawaii to ascend to the Presidency so quickly, without having a single accomplishment to point to?
Any objective person can tell you, there's no mystery surrounding Palin. She wears her history, her career, and her being right there on her sleeve. She never planned for national office so there aren't layers of intrigue surrounding her.
Yet her family and her are scrutinized with a hate and relentlessness that even overseas dictators are spared? It's a curious thing, isn't it.
Two things...
First: Quantity does not equal quality. Obama has had a number of interviews, but that hardly means that he has been "vetted" and made to confront the issues about his past that he should have to if he is to sit in the Oval Office.
Second: This is Obama's first run for the White House and he has not been on the national stage that long. How long has McCain been a senator? How many interviews did McCain do in his bid for the 2000 nomination? There is not the level of digging required by journalistic integrety for McCain as there is for Obama. Most of the digging has been done long ago.
I keep saying that the interviews aren't necessarily fair, read the first line - within the parens - the Obama campaign machine does know how to manipulate the media - you can't fault them for that - that is their JOB! If I were to take it further, I could say that McCain, and his campaign's lack of knowledge of how media works makes me wonder about why he chose people who aren't good at their job.
Where are the hard hitting recent McCain interviews? You keep pounding away at Obama - how about a list like mine? And the fact McCain ran in 2000 has nothing to do with today - I want to know his viewpoints on the world today - not a historical look on what he said in 2000. Guess what, the world, and the man, has changed a bit since then.
I don't know all the answers to your allegations, Calabrio but, you can find answers in many media interviews - you could check them out - I read a lot of right, and unless it is truly hateful (and both sides can be hateful), I do try to understand other points of view. I actually go to American Thinker quite a bit. Try reading the left without the blinders on, it isn't all so terrible.
I could go on about why does McCain have alliances with so many lobbyists, why did Davis take money from F Mac, Keating 5, Ralph Reed. What has McCain done outside of a honorable military career and politics? I don't expect you to answer those - I can find the answers myself, and that isn't what this thread is about, it is about journalism...
I don't understand why you don't get that I agree with you, that they are left leaning, add to that the fact that the right doesn't understand how to play the game, and you end up with bias. Like the Couric interview with Palin - If Couric knew she had 3 interviews set up in the next 2 weeks - it would have ended up with a much better interview, and we would have learned more about the candidate, and believe me, Couric wouldn't have been so hard, at least during the first 2 out of the three.
Learn to play the game.
So, if Palin never planned for national office, you can say just the opposite of McCain, he has been running for president since 2000.
And, not once did Couric mention Palin's family. What main stream journalist has gone after her family? I haven't seen anything. Not in a blog, not by left wing pundits or commentators, but what in major media?
Where are the hard hitting recent McCain interviews? You keep pounding away at Obama - how about a list like mine? And the fact McCain ran in 2000 has nothing to do with today - I want to know his viewpoints on the world today - not a historical look on what he said in 2000. Guess what, the world, and the man, has changed a bit since then.
I don't know all the answers to your allegations, Calabrio but, you can find answers in many media interviews - you could check them out - I read a lot of right, and unless it is truly hateful (and both sides can be hateful), I do try to understand other points of view. I actually go to American Thinker quite a bit. Try reading the left without the blinders on, it isn't all so terrible.
I could go on about why does McCain have alliances with so many lobbyists, why did Davis take money from F Mac, Keating 5, Ralph Reed. What has McCain done outside of a honorable military career and politics? I don't expect you to answer those - I can find the answers myself, and that isn't what this thread is about, it is about journalism...
I don't understand why you don't get that I agree with you, that they are left leaning, add to that the fact that the right doesn't understand how to play the game, and you end up with bias. Like the Couric interview with Palin - If Couric knew she had 3 interviews set up in the next 2 weeks - it would have ended up with a much better interview, and we would have learned more about the candidate, and believe me, Couric wouldn't have been so hard, at least during the first 2 out of the three.
Learn to play the game.
So, if Palin never planned for national office, you can say just the opposite of McCain, he has been running for president since 2000.
And, not once did Couric mention Palin's family. What main stream journalist has gone after her family? I haven't seen anything. Not in a blog, not by left wing pundits or commentators, but what in major media?
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You're not acknowledging the important point. It doesn't take skill to "play" the media when they are a willing accomplice to the ruse.
You're ignorance is not a valid argument to imply that McCain is secretive or hidden away from the media. He won the nomination through relentlessly doing town hall meetings around the North East. He has repeatedly request that Obama and he travel the country before the America public engaged in similar town hall styled meetings. Both so that the public would better understand the candidates and in an effort to change the hostile impersonal tone of the political campaigns.
Access to McCain is not an issue.
But, with good reason, as the media has become less fair and increasingly adversarial with him, he has limited the amount of unfettered access that they at one time had.
Actually, you can't.
He will dismiss the question, but he will not sufficiently answer any questions.
You could, but you won't, because that statement in and of itself is dishonest. If you're as well read as you repeatedly imply you would know that
1 - he was completely cleared of any wrong doing related to the Keating 5. that was exclusively a DEMOCRAT scandal, McCain was pulled into that mess purely because of partisan democrats not wanting to have a list of names exclusively with (D)s next to their name.
2. large institutions donate to all national campaigns, the question is, why did they donate about 5 times as much to Obama? Why is Obama's campaigned riddled with people who were so closely associated with those failed, quasi-government institutions? Trying to associate McCain with those things is completely dishonest and deceptive.
3. As for Ralph Reed...Perhaps you have something to teach us... Was he ever charged with doing something illegal? Did he ever preach hatred for America? But more importantly, addressing your point, McCain actually has had a rather hostile relationship with Ralph Reed.
And it's here that you're wrong. It's only a game when both sides are playing on a level playing field. It's ceases to be a game when the referees are actively working to see that one side wins.
You can't "win" on that court, no matter how skilled you are. The only option you're left with is to work outside that system.
I disagree. She would have been just as brutal each time.If Couric knew she had 3 interviews set up in the next 2 weeks - it would have ended up with a much better interview, and we would have learned more about the candidate, and believe me, Couric wouldn't have been so hard, at least during the first 2 out of the three.
It has nothing to do with the time available, it has to do with the ideological contempt that Couric has.
There's no point if the game is fixed.
So, if Palin never planned for national office, you can say just the opposite of McCain, he has been running for president since 2000.
And, not once did Couric mention Palin's family. What main stream journalist has gone after her family? I haven't seen anything. Not blog, not left wing pundits or commentators, but what in main stream media?[/QUOTE]
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First off, McCain ignores most media requests - they all (including the right media) bemoan this fact. That is an issue. Reasons good or bad - he needs to at least appear somewhere. What if Obama refused almost all interviews - wow - you would really be hounding that fact, in fact you tried... .
Small town debates - the next 2 out of the 3 debates that are scheduled are going to be in that format. Do you have any idea how hard it is to schedule a debate, the security, the disruption to the cities involved - the costs involved are in the millions for each debate. Most small towns would be bankrupt trying to justify 4.5 million (what the last debate cost Ol'Miss). It is a great idea... but with the size of the election, it really isn't possible.
Questions (I guess I should have screamed “red herring” gak – but I hate it when all sort of false allegations come up and then they just lie there) - which isn't what this thread is about......And yes - if you break those things I questioned about McCain into threads I would try to discuss them with you, (I did notice you missed two out of four) or break out these about Obama (however I refuse to wear a tin foil hat) but my fingers can only type so fast, and I seem to be the token liberal here for the time being. I have lots of requests...
Has he honestly and completely put aside concerns about his affiliation with radical black race baiters in Chicago?
Gosh, this is damn if you do, damn if you don't... Could you be more specific - like a specific affiliation, or a specific concern?
What about domestic terrorists like Ayers?
- actually answered during the primaries... Hillary had brought this up first.
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/02/obamas_weatherman_connection.html (I know kill the source - it is what you do, but it does answer the question)
What about the strange and tainted allegiances he's made with countless corrupt political figures through out his political career
Specifically?
From Hawaii - when was being from Hawaii not a good thing, does it make you less American than being born in Panama or Alaska?
Kid - older than Kennedy, Clinton and Teddy Roosevelt (who McCain, who would be the oldest elective president is comparing himself to), and Palin.
But, this isn't about these questions - which I have answered as well as I could since most of them weren't very specific, and this isn’t really the place. Nor was it about the questions I asked you - it is about media access and interviews...
You have no idea of what I read. You would be surprised on what I have on my nightstand right now. I am sorry I am not very interesting in a debate - but, heck I hang in there somehow, and am obviously interesting enough that others on this site join in all the fun of finding out what the liberal will say this time.
So, out of curiosity name the last left (not MSM) media that you involved yourself with - Daily Kos perhaps... You actually go to the site and read a couple of items every day there? Huffington? I am very open about what I read. I even get called on it by my friends, occasionally they are quite confused by my reading material, both left and right.
And it is a game - it is still a game even if only one of the players knows that you have to hit the ball back over the net. Even if you have only 3 strings left in your racket - you still play the game, because once in a while you get to hit the ball back.
Work within the system, because you hope that a few people who see the interview will say - hey, I didn't know Alaska was that close to Russia (ok cheap shot, but I have to get my 'cutesy-pie' panter *what is panter * in once in a while). Or they question what taxes will be increased or decreased and in what income bracket - so they go to the candidates websites and look things up, and maybe start to look at a candidate differently.
You can play the media even if you are on the right - look at Reagan - a master at media manipulation. Always available to the press, gracious, humorous, the media did their darnest to portray him in a negative light, and it didn't work - he was better at the game then they were.
And Couric wouldn't have been brutal each time - she would have wanted all three interviews - ratings, baby, ratings. She would have waiting until the last one to play hardball, ideological contempt or not... she would have wanted the numbers (she needs them badly). If Palin's handlers realized that, they could have played on Couric's need for numbers, and milked the interviews, and played the game.
.Small town debates - the next 2 out of the 3 debates that are scheduled are going to be in that format. Do you have any idea how hard it is to schedule a debate, the security, the disruption to the cities involved - the costs involved are in the millions for each debate. Most small towns would be bankrupt trying to justify 4.5 million (what the last debate cost Ol'Miss). It is a great idea... but with the size of the election, it really isn't possible.
Questions (I guess I should have screamed “red herring” gak – but I hate it when all sort of false allegations come up and then they just lie there) - which isn't what this thread is about......And yes - if you break those things I questioned about McCain into threads I would try to discuss them with you, (I did notice you missed two out of four) or break out these about Obama (however I refuse to wear a tin foil hat) but my fingers can only type so fast, and I seem to be the token liberal here for the time being. I have lots of requests...
Has he honestly and completely put aside concerns about his affiliation with radical black race baiters in Chicago?
Gosh, this is damn if you do, damn if you don't... Could you be more specific - like a specific affiliation, or a specific concern?
What about domestic terrorists like Ayers?
- actually answered during the primaries... Hillary had brought this up first.
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/02/obamas_weatherman_connection.html (I know kill the source - it is what you do, but it does answer the question)
What about the strange and tainted allegiances he's made with countless corrupt political figures through out his political career
Specifically?
From Hawaii - when was being from Hawaii not a good thing, does it make you less American than being born in Panama or Alaska?
Kid - older than Kennedy, Clinton and Teddy Roosevelt (who McCain, who would be the oldest elective president is comparing himself to), and Palin.
But, this isn't about these questions - which I have answered as well as I could since most of them weren't very specific, and this isn’t really the place. Nor was it about the questions I asked you - it is about media access and interviews...
You have no idea of what I read. You would be surprised on what I have on my nightstand right now. I am sorry I am not very interesting in a debate - but, heck I hang in there somehow, and am obviously interesting enough that others on this site join in all the fun of finding out what the liberal will say this time.
So, out of curiosity name the last left (not MSM) media that you involved yourself with - Daily Kos perhaps... You actually go to the site and read a couple of items every day there? Huffington? I am very open about what I read. I even get called on it by my friends, occasionally they are quite confused by my reading material, both left and right.
And it is a game - it is still a game even if only one of the players knows that you have to hit the ball back over the net. Even if you have only 3 strings left in your racket - you still play the game, because once in a while you get to hit the ball back.
Work within the system, because you hope that a few people who see the interview will say - hey, I didn't know Alaska was that close to Russia (ok cheap shot, but I have to get my 'cutesy-pie' panter *what is panter
* in once in a while). Or they question what taxes will be increased or decreased and in what income bracket - so they go to the candidates websites and look things up, and maybe start to look at a candidate differently.You can play the media even if you are on the right - look at Reagan - a master at media manipulation. Always available to the press, gracious, humorous, the media did their darnest to portray him in a negative light, and it didn't work - he was better at the game then they were.
And Couric wouldn't have been brutal each time - she would have wanted all three interviews - ratings, baby, ratings. She would have waiting until the last one to play hardball, ideological contempt or not... she would have wanted the numbers (she needs them badly). If Palin's handlers realized that, they could have played on Couric's need for numbers, and milked the interviews, and played the game.
fossten
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Give foxpaws a break on what she's reading. After all, she is reading a book I recommended, which is by the way a book I have recommended to the rest of you.
MonsterMark
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I'm sure if I spent a little time with Couric she'd be a little less stressed and alot happier woman.
fossten
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If you want to call it that.