MrScalia
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that all I have to say .....
I am thinking about giving HBO the Axe
I am thinking about giving HBO the Axe
David Chase is a Prick
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MrScalia
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what was their to like? , no closure at all
David Chase has ADD...
Ever notice he'll be going down a story line - then just drop it? Unresolved.
The ending blew - in my opinon. I think he just wanted it over with and to get talked about. Any publicity is good publicity. I kept wondering why he didnt do a 2 hour finale. Answer - he still has an hour to go --
Ever notice he'll be going down a story line - then just drop it? Unresolved.
The ending blew - in my opinon. I think he just wanted it over with and to get talked about. Any publicity is good publicity. I kept wondering why he didnt do a 2 hour finale. Answer - he still has an hour to go --
glanga
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Anyone care to share what they think about the ending?
The 2 best explanations I heard are that Tony gets shot from behind by the guy in the member's only jacket, sort of like Godfather and thats his world going dark. Or that they show you how he views the world, constantly watching his back, not knowing if he is going to get killed, arrested, or his family hurt. Then cut out.
Too bad Chase won't give any insight whatsoever to anyone about it. He said that a movie is a possibility but highly unlikely.
The 2 best explanations I heard are that Tony gets shot from behind by the guy in the member's only jacket, sort of like Godfather and thats his world going dark. Or that they show you how he views the world, constantly watching his back, not knowing if he is going to get killed, arrested, or his family hurt. Then cut out.
Too bad Chase won't give any insight whatsoever to anyone about it. He said that a movie is a possibility but highly unlikely.
I like both of two ideas, but clearly it's open to interpretation-
Tony did say that when it comes, you don't know it's coming. It's just goes black and silent.
I also like how it really gave you an emotional involvement in the episode, waiting a looking through out the show, for someone to do something.
At the same rate- if there was no hit- life goes on. The story doesn't wrap up, the one issue was resolved (regarding the war with New York) but new ones were emerging (Carlo turning states evidence for example). The story just continues. There is no resolve. The characters continue with their lives. There is no closure at the end of any day.
Also, the final scene with dementia ridden Uncle Junior, demonstrating just how meaningless it all is. "You ran North Jersey."
"Oh really, that's nice."
What did anyone expect? It's not like MASH. The war didn't end. You can never meet expectations on a final episode. Did you want some nail bitting, action packed shoot out, totally uncharacteristic with the show? Just having Tony get shot in the last scene and watching him bleed out would have been lame.
The fact that it had such an emotional response reinforces how strong an episode it actually was. All that anxiety kept building through the whole episode. Every time Tony went into a room, or stepped out into the open, you were worried and looking out to see who was going to kill him.
Watching Meadow park (poorly) and then enter the dinner was tense. And she was just parking her car.
That guy in the Members Only jacket... those gang members walking in. Are they civilians or a threat?
Great episode, great series. David Chase created a series that defied convention, while still employing so many of the norms. It's almost hard to remember how much of an influence that The Sopranos has had on television in the past eight years.
If they had buttoned up all the story lines and resolved everything clumisly within 60 or 120 minutes,THEN I would have felt ripped off.
Tony did say that when it comes, you don't know it's coming. It's just goes black and silent.
I also like how it really gave you an emotional involvement in the episode, waiting a looking through out the show, for someone to do something.
At the same rate- if there was no hit- life goes on. The story doesn't wrap up, the one issue was resolved (regarding the war with New York) but new ones were emerging (Carlo turning states evidence for example). The story just continues. There is no resolve. The characters continue with their lives. There is no closure at the end of any day.
Also, the final scene with dementia ridden Uncle Junior, demonstrating just how meaningless it all is. "You ran North Jersey."
"Oh really, that's nice."
What did anyone expect? It's not like MASH. The war didn't end. You can never meet expectations on a final episode. Did you want some nail bitting, action packed shoot out, totally uncharacteristic with the show? Just having Tony get shot in the last scene and watching him bleed out would have been lame.
The fact that it had such an emotional response reinforces how strong an episode it actually was. All that anxiety kept building through the whole episode. Every time Tony went into a room, or stepped out into the open, you were worried and looking out to see who was going to kill him.
Watching Meadow park (poorly) and then enter the dinner was tense. And she was just parking her car.
That guy in the Members Only jacket... those gang members walking in. Are they civilians or a threat?
Great episode, great series. David Chase created a series that defied convention, while still employing so many of the norms. It's almost hard to remember how much of an influence that The Sopranos has had on television in the past eight years.
If they had buttoned up all the story lines and resolved everything clumisly within 60 or 120 minutes,THEN I would have felt ripped off.
glanga
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I would've liked to have seen it wrap up somewhat better. I mean in the first godfather, the book, not the movie, the family tries to get out of the business and go somewhat legit with casinos in vegas. I thought that was good ending to a classic mafia story. I never saw part 2 or 3.
You're denying yourself if you've never seen Godfather 2.
Don't feel bad about missing 3 though. Not as bad as many people say, but not even in the same league as the first two.
I think the best ending prediction I heard was this..
Tony gets killed - the "family" goes on.
Then it cuts to a computer monitor screen. The words - "Fade to Black - The End" are typed.
The Camera pulls back, showing the computer writer. Its christopher. But not the christpoher we're used to. He's very yuppie looking, with glasses, wearing a sweater, and in a nicely decorated home office.
Aidrianne calls out that dinner is ready. We see Christopher enter the dining room in a very suburban looking house. Aid is dressed and adorned like a soccer mom, and a few young children scramble to the dinner table.
Well Aid, I finally finished my screenplay Honey.
The whole thing was really fiction written by Christopher.
Tony gets killed - the "family" goes on.
Then it cuts to a computer monitor screen. The words - "Fade to Black - The End" are typed.
The Camera pulls back, showing the computer writer. Its christopher. But not the christpoher we're used to. He's very yuppie looking, with glasses, wearing a sweater, and in a nicely decorated home office.
Aidrianne calls out that dinner is ready. We see Christopher enter the dining room in a very suburban looking house. Aid is dressed and adorned like a soccer mom, and a few young children scramble to the dinner table.
Well Aid, I finally finished my screenplay Honey.
The whole thing was really fiction written by Christopher.
glanga
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That'd be good but even if Christopher was still writing it, then Christopher is just as bad as David Chase (Chase sort of using Christopher as an imaginary scapegoat) leaving it too open to interpretation. I know when I watch a show or movie I want closure. Some don't but most do. With how good this show was, Chase shouldn't have let any fan be disappointed about the ending.
No, the series would have an ending - and THEN it cuts to christopher the 'writer'
Kinda like it was all a writer's creative dream, Christopher.
Kinda like it was all a writer's creative dream, Christopher.
glanga
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I think that would be a cop out on Chase's part. It still wouldn't end it the actual viewers eyes. Just Christopher's. It'd just be Chase using Christopher as an excuse, a scapegoat. Like, "Oh, well Christopher the Writer wanted it to end, not me!"
It gives just as much closure to the actual characters in Sopranos as in the ending we saw. But just putting some half assed reasoning behind it.
It gives just as much closure to the actual characters in Sopranos as in the ending we saw. But just putting some half assed reasoning behind it.
LORENZOCHICAGOLSC
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First of all I was ready to call Comcast and complain that my service cut out!! Then I realized what had happened. Perfect open ending for a movie in 2027!!
That ending where it turns out to be Christopher's story would have been outrageously lame. Geez- why not just pretend the ENTIRE show was Tony's dream, in real life he'd be a civil servant?
Very bad idea.
There is no way to end a series and make everyone happy. Think of beloved show that went out on top and had a perfect finale? MASH? But that was sentimental, it had a natural ending to the story, and it was not funny.
Seinfeld? Cheers? Can you think of one?
Very bad idea.
There is no way to end a series and make everyone happy. Think of beloved show that went out on top and had a perfect finale? MASH? But that was sentimental, it had a natural ending to the story, and it was not funny.
Seinfeld? Cheers? Can you think of one?
MrScalia
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Isn't that how St. Elsewhere Ended ? The Whole Show was in the Mind of a retarded kid ?
Chase is still a scary looking Prick .....
Even Most of the predictions had a better ending .... Like at the end Tony Steps down and Hands it all Over to Paulie (to be the Boss)
The Whole "Member Only" show and then to have some guy listed as "guy wearing Members Only Jacket" makes you think their is something to it.
Bottom Like Chase served us half a hand-job and left everyone with blue balls!
Is it Me or does he look like Bill Murry's Down syndrome Brother ??