DOJ lawsuit does NOT allege that AZ law discriminates

[fossten]

From Jake Tapper:

The court filing states that Arizona law is pre-empted by federal law and therefore violates the supremacy clause of the U.S. Constitution.

The filing makes no assertion that the law is discriminatory or risks being applied in a discriminatory fashion, as the president and other officials said they feared would be the case. Interestingly, this suit makes no civil rights charges against the Arizona law.

But but but...I thought the AZ law was racist!

Captain Kickass is such a pussy. He won't even put his money where his mouth is - he's been trumpeting the racist angle for months, and now it's time to put up or shut up and he doesn't even bother to make the argument.

 

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From Jake Tapper:


But but but...I thought the AZ law was racist!

Captain Kickass is such a pussy. He won't even put his money where his mouth is - he's been trumpeting the racist angle for months, and now it's time to put up or shut up and he doesn't even bother to make the argument.

When did HE say that?

Primarily the argument coming from the white house was that they were worried the law would lead to racial profiling. Of course, that is stupid, but yeah, I wouldn't want to detract from your attempt to demonize Obama for one more thing.

 

[shagdrum]

When did HE say that?

[M]y administration is taking a very close look at the Arizona law. We're examining any implications, especially for civil rights because in the United States of America no law-abiding person -- be they an American citizen or a visitor or tourist from Mexico -- should ever be subject to suspicion simply because of what they look like. ... A fair reading of the language of the statute indicates that it gives the possibility of individuals who are deemed suspicious of being illegal immigrants from being harassed or arrested, and the judgments that are going to be made in applying this law are troublesome.

http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/checker.aspx?v=XdqGkUVruz​

 

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[M]y administration is taking a very close look at the Arizona law. We're examining any implications, especially for civil rights because in the United States of America no law-abiding person -- be they an American citizen or a visitor or tourist from Mexico -- should ever be subject to suspicion simply because of what they look like. ... A fair reading of the language of the statute indicates that it gives the possibility of individuals who are deemed suspicious of being illegal immigrants from being harassed or arrested, and the judgments that are going to be made in applying this law are troublesome.

http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/checker.aspx?v=XdqGkUVruz​

Yeah, they were worried about the possibility of profiling. They didn't call the law racist.

 

[fossten]

The funny part is that Captain Kickass hasn't bothered to travel to Arizona to examine the trouble they're having with illegals. Head in the sand.

 

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The funny part is that Captain Kickass hasn't bothered to travel to Arizona to examine the trouble they're having with illegals. Head in the sand.

How is that relevant?

He knows they are having trouble with illegals, he has the numbers. You don't need to stick your head up a cow's ass to see the condition of a T-bone do you? You can take the butcher's word for it right?

 

[fossten]

How is that relevant?

He knows they are having trouble with illegals, he has the numbers. You don't need to stick your head up a cow's ass to see the condition of a T-bone do you? You can take the butcher's word for it right?

What numbers? He's clearly not taking Arizona's word for it. He refuses to do his job and yet sues Arizona when they try to police their own border.

 

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What numbers? He's clearly not taking Arizona's word for it. He refuses to do his job and yet sues Arizona when they try to police their own border.

How do you justify this statement. He just has a different set of values and beliefs. Refuses to do his job????? I'm getting dizzy trying to keep track of the way you spin things.

 

[fossten]

How do you justify this statement. He just has a different set of values and beliefs. Refuses to do his job????? I'm getting dizzy trying to keep track of the way you spin things.

He's refusing to enforce federal law. He alleged that the AZ law racially profiles, which it doesn't. He doesn't bother to fact check. Probably aren't enough golf courses in AZ to suit him.

Hell, even the Democrats are saying this.

If you're dizzy, then maybe you should go back down to mommy's basement and she'll put a cold compress on your wittle forehead for you.

 

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He's refusing to enforce federal law. He alleged that the AZ law racially profiles, which it doesn't. He doesn't bother to fact check. Probably aren't enough golf courses in AZ to suit him.

HOW IS HE REFUSING TO ENFORCE FEDERAL LAW????????

He alleged that in the application of the AZ law, an environment that encourages could appear. Get your facts straight.

Hell, even the Democrats are saying this.

Still, how is it going to improve the job Obama is doing by visiting the border? I'm pretty sure he is aware that people are crossing the border. What is with you and this insistence that the president should micromanage everything in this country. How many times did Reagan visit the Arizona border to get an idea of the immigration situation? He sent proxies. Get over it.

If you're dizzy, then maybe you should go back down to mommy's basement and she'll put a cold compress on your wittle forehead for you.

Really? That is the best you've got?

 

[Calabrio]

HOW IS HE REFUSING TO ENFORCE FEDERAL LAW????????

Well, we could start with the recent examples starting with dropping the charges against the Black Panthers at the polling location, or we could just focus with the LACK of enforcement upon the Southern border. The hiring freeze on border agents, the delays in building the fence, or that Obama and the Democrats are against agreeing to substantial border security without a "comprehensive" amnesty plan for political reasons.

True, he did authorize some National Guard to head down there, though all the Governors note that it's an insignificant number. And no, a porous Southern border isn't exclusively a Democrat or Obama issue. Bush could have done more, but I don't think Obama could do much less.

He alleged that in the application of the AZ law, an environment that encourages could appear. Get your facts straight.

Yes, the administration, Obama, and the spokespeople routinely state and imply that the law will lead to an environment where racial profiling is used to basically harass and terrorize the population of the state with a darker complexion. Racial profiling. They fail to note that the Arizona law amounts to a less invasive enforcement of the federal law.

So, Fossten's facts are straight.

Still, how is it going to improve the job Obama is doing by visiting the border?

Is he too busy?
Does he have an early tee time?

So, is it going to improve the job he's doing?
I guess, like an all of these issues related to this administration, it really depends on what his goal actually is.

 

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Well, we could start with the recent examples starting with dropping the charges against the Black Panthers at the polling location, or we could just focus with the LACK of enforcement upon the Southern border. The hiring freeze on border agents, the delays in building the fence, or that Obama and the Democrats are against agreeing to substantial border security without a "comprehensive" amnesty plan for political reasons.

The black panthers thing.... well, I am not 100% on whether this is definitely an Obama thing, or if he is being hands off with that. Lack of enforcement on the southern border? What the hell good is building a fence gonna do? Where are democrats denying border security without a comprehensive amnesty plan. One weak allegation by one senator, who is unwilling to make any type of sworn testimony to that fact, whose home state is not pursuing any type of lawsuit against the US in that matter, an allegation that if true, would be a landslide victory in even the most left leaning court, does not mean the democrats are opening the borders.

True, he did authorize some National Guard to head down there, though all the Governors note that it's an insignificant number. And no, a porous Southern border isn't exclusively a Democrat or Obama issue. Bush could have done more, but I don't think Obama could do much less.

Oh, he could easily do a LOT less, do you remember the bush years?

Yes, the administration, Obama, and the spokespeople routinely state and imply that the law will lead to an environment where racial profiling is used to basically harass and terrorize the population of the state with a darker complexion. Racial profiling. They fail to note that the Arizona law amounts to a less invasive enforcement of the federal law.

So, Fossten's facts are straight.

No, they state the concern that it could lead to an environment of racial profiling, and yes, it the federal laws are more invasive. Not gonna say they aren't being dumbasses on it, but they aren't calling the law racist. Subtle nuance, big difference.

Is he too busy?
Does he have an early tee time?

If he goes there, you guys will all be pissing and moaning because he isn't personally overseeing the gulf. WHY DOES THE PRESIDENT HAVE TO MICROMANAGE EVERYTHING FOR YOU GUYS? How is it going to help anything if he is sitting at the border? He isn't gonna do anything different if he sees the border, it is gonna be the same crap amnesty policy.

So, is it going to improve the job he's doing?
I guess, like an all of these issues related to this administration, it really depends on what his goal actually is.

His goal is amnesty and getting rid of future illegals. Visiting the border will help neither of those causes. Visiting the border wouldn't help if he wanted to get rid of all the illegals we have now. Visiting the border wouldn't help if he wanted to build the great wall of china surrounded by razor wire and an electric fence with roving death squads around the perimeter 24-7! with 10,000 tough guys, and 10,000 soft guys to make the tough guys look tougher! And here's how I want them arranged: tough, soft, tough, tough, soft, tough, soft, soft, tough, tough, soft, soft, tough, soft, tough, soft!

Visiting the border wouldn't help even if he had sharks with fricken laser beams in case you didn't get the last movie quote.

All visiting the border would be is posturing, and the Obama hate crowd that is whining he hasn't, would be sure to point it out.

 

[Calabrio]

well, I am not 100%

Let's just stop there.
We should just replace ALL of your recent posts with that statement and you'd essentially communicate the same thing in far fewer words.

What the hell good is building a fence gonna do?

Something else you don't know.
I'm identifying a trend here.

No, they state the concern that it could lead to an environment of racial profiling, and yes, it the federal laws are more invasive. Not gonna say they aren't being dumbasses on it, but they aren't calling the law racist. Subtle nuance, big difference.

So, what you're saying is that while they mean the law is racists and the police are racists who will harass people because of their skin color, it's a "big difference" because they are using code words.

If he goes there, you guys will all be pissing and moaning because he isn't personally overseeing the gulf. WHY DOES THE PRESIDENT HAVE TO MICROMANAGE EVERYTHING FOR YOU GUYS?

First, no one said he needs to micromanage anything.
Second, it was the Obama faithful that have presented this man as among the smartest men in the world with the intellectual capacity and interest to solve the worlds problems alone, while simultaneously lower the sea levels.

Personally, I'd prefer he actually do something that to address the problems facing the country, be it in a manner consistent with the constitution and founding principles, rather than showing up for an opportunistic photo opportunity.

His goal is amnesty and getting rid of future illegals.

Your half right.
His goal is amnesty.
Preventing future illegals from spilling over the border isn't a concern. If that really were, why would he not lead the Democrat party to seal the border first, THEN address the issues related to the illegal alien population currently residing here?

All visiting the border would be is posturing, and the Obama hate crowd that is whining he hasn't, would be sure to point it out.

Your right, it would be posturing, because he has no interest in actually securing the border and preventing the flow of illegal aliens, or undocumented democrat voters, from flooding into the Southern states.

And when he makes a three hour photo-op like that, he risks being late for his golf game or state dinner.

 

[fossten]

Still, how is it going to improve the job Obama is doing by visiting the border? I'm pretty sure he is aware that people are crossing the border. What is with you and this insistence that the president should micromanage everything in this country. How many times did Reagan visit the Arizona border to get an idea of the immigration situation? He sent proxies. Get over it.

Once again, the overreaction with the logical fallacy. I would love for you to show me where I've ever even stated that Obama should 'micromanage everything in this country.' I've done nothing but state the opposite. You're using a blatant straw man here.

Furthermore, Obama already IS MICROMANAGING THE SITUATION by suing Arizona rather than either doing his job or letting them do it for him. He's deliberately trying to PREVENT Arizona from stopping the border invasion.

Has Obama even sent any proxies? Nope. So, where does he get his information? Because he's certainly ignoring Jan Brewer's pleas for help - in fact, he's trying to hinder her effort to protect her state.

So how would it improve the job Obama is doing? It would at least lend him credibility for having shown up and viewed the problem himself before going off knee-jerk and accusing AZ of passing a racial profiling law, which wasn't the case.

I would ask you in return, why is Obama refusing to look at the AZ situation as a problem? Why is he attacking the state instead of protecting the borders, which is the BP's job?