"Don't blame Hurricane victims, help them!"

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It has been a week since Hurricane Katrina devastated the Gulf Coast, leveled New Orleans and left hundreds of thousands of Americans homeless. We saw the best of America during that time—millions of people stepped forward to offer help. Meanwhile, the Bush administration failed at their most important job: keeping America safe. The federal effort was too little, too late and it is now becoming obvious that hundreds or even thousands of people died as a result.

Then, starting Friday, in a Karl Rove-led campaign, the White House started to blame state and local officials and even the victims who were stranded without transportation when the Hurricane arrived. Sign our petition demanding that the Bush administration stop blaming victims, including state and local officials, and focus on helping them.
 
Bunk.

Only the left wing fringe thinks Bush is at fault. His is not. When only 13% 'polled' see Bush as the culprit, with OVER 75% of that 13% being Democrats, it is just another case of partisan bickering and whining from the left.

If you want to point fingers, and it seems you do, start with the following:
I know how tempting it is to turn the page upside down but you are only fooling yourself.

1) The people that did not evacuate a soup bowl waiting to happen for whatever reason

2) New Orleans mayor (blame anybody but me) Nagan

3) The school buses that did not start and drive themselves

4) The pathetic New Orleans police department on donut break and nowhere to be found

5) The whiny, worthless Governor of Louisiana Blanco (Democrat)

6) The Lousiana legislator (Democrat controlled)

7) The Lousiana Senators Landrieu (D) and Vitter (R)

8) FEMA

9) Homeland Security

10) Bush
 
Libs, try this on for size.

I know, I know. The truth hurts but try to be brave and suck it up.
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Blame Amid the Tragedy
[font=Garamond, Times]Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin failed their constituents.[/font]
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BY BOB WILLIAMS
Wednesday, September 7, 2005 12:01 a.m. EDT


As the devastation of Hurricane Katrina continues to shock and sadden the nation, the question on many lips is, Who is to blame for the inadequate response?

As a former state legislator who represented the legislative district most impacted by the eruption of Mount St. Helens in 1980, I can fully understand and empathize with the people and public officials over the loss of life and property.

Many in the media are turning their eyes toward the federal government, rather than considering the culpability of city and state officials. I am fully aware of the challenges of having a quick and responsive emergency response to a major disaster. And there is definitely a time for accountability; but what isn't fair is to dump on the federal officials and avoid those most responsible--local and state officials who failed to do their job as the first responders. The plain fact is, lives were needlessly lost in New Orleans due to the failure of Louisiana's governor, Kathleen Blanco, and the city's mayor, Ray Nagin.

The primary responsibility for dealing with emergencies does not belong to the federal government. It belongs to local and state officials who are charged by law with the management of the crucial first response to disasters. First response should be carried out by local and state emergency personnel under the supervision of the state governor and his emergency operations center.

The actions and inactions of Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin are a national disgrace due to their failure to implement the previously established evacuation plans of the state and city. Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin cannot claim that they were surprised by the extent of the damage and the need to evacuate so many people. Detailed written plans were already in place to evacuate more than a million people. The plans projected that 300,000 people would need transportation in the event of a hurricane like Katrina. If the plans had been implemented, thousands of lives would likely have been saved.

In addition to the plans, local, state and federal officials held a simulated hurricane drill 13 months ago, in which widespread flooding supposedly trapped 300,000 people inside New Orleans. The exercise simulated the evacuation of more than a million residents. The problems identified in the simulation apparently were not solved.



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A year ago, as Hurricane Ivan approached, New Orleans ordered an evacuation but did not use city or school buses to help people evacuate. As a result many of the poorest citizens were unable to evacuate. Fortunately, the hurricane changed course and did not hit New Orleans, but both Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin acknowledged the need for a better evacuation plan. Again, they did not take corrective actions. In 1998, during a threat by Hurricane George, 14,000 people were sent to the Superdome and theft and vandalism were rampant due to inadequate security. Again, these problems were not corrected.



The New Orleans contingency plan is still, as of this writing, on the city's Web site, and states: "The safe evacuation of threatened populations is one of the principle [sic] reasons for developing a Comprehensive Emergency Management Plan." But the plan was apparently ignored.

Mayor Nagin was responsible for giving the order for mandatory evacuation and supervising the actual evacuation: His Office of Emergency Preparedness (not the federal government) must coordinate with the state on elements of evacuation and assist in directing the transportation of evacuees to staging areas. Mayor Nagin had to be encouraged by the governor to contact the National Hurricane Center before he finally, belatedly, issued the order for mandatory evacuation. And sadly, it apparently took a personal call from the president to urge the governor to order the mandatory evacuation.

The city's evacuation plan states: "The city of New Orleans will utilize all available resources to quickly and safely evacuate threatened areas." But even though the city has enough school and transit buses to evacuate 12,000 citizens per fleet run, the mayor did not use them. To compound the problem, the buses were not moved to high ground and were flooded. The plan also states that "special arrangements will be made to evacuate persons unable to transport themselves or who require specific lifesaving assistance. Additional personnel will be recruited to assist in evacuation procedures as needed." This was not done.

The evacuation plan warned that "if an evacuation order is issued without the mechanisms needed to disseminate the information to the affected persons, then we face the possibility of having large numbers of people either stranded and left to the mercy of a storm, or left in an area impacted by toxic materials." That is precisely what happened because of the mayor's failure.

Instead of evacuating the people, the mayor ordered the refugees to the Superdome and Convention Center without adequate security and no provisions for food, water and sanitary conditions. As a result people died, and there was even rape committed, in these facilities. Mayor Nagin failed in his responsibility to provide public safety and to manage the orderly evacuation of the citizens of New Orleans. Now he wants to blame Gov. Blanco and the Federal Emergency Management Agency. In an emergency the first requirement is for the city's emergency center to be linked to the state emergency operations center. This was not done.



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The federal government does not have the authority to intervene in a state emergency without the request of a governor. President Bush declared an emergency prior to Katrina hitting New Orleans, so the only action needed for federal assistance was for Gov. Blanco to request the specific type of assistance she needed. She failed to send a timely request for specific aid.



In addition, unlike the governors of New York, Oklahoma and California in past disasters, Gov. Blanco failed to take charge of the situation and ensure that the state emergency operation facility was in constant contact with Mayor Nagin and FEMA. It is likely that thousands of people died because of the failure of Gov. Blanco to implement the state plan, which mentions the possible need to evacuate up to one million people. The plan clearly gives the governor the authority for declaring an emergency, sending in state resources to the disaster area and requesting necessary federal assistance.

State legislators and governors nationwide need to update their contingency plans and the operation procedures for state emergency centers. Hurricane Katrina had been forecast for days, but that will not always be the case with a disaster (think of terrorist attacks). It must be made clear that the governor and locally elected officials are in charge of the "first response."

I am not attempting to excuse some of the delays in FEMA's response. Congress and the president need to take corrective action there, also. However, if citizens expect FEMA to be a first responder to terrorist attacks or other local emergencies (earthquakes, forest fires, volcanoes), they will be disappointed. The federal government's role is to offer aid upon request.

The Louisiana Legislature should conduct an immediate investigation into the failures of state and local officials to implement the written emergency plans. The tragedy is not over, and real leadership in the state and local government are essential in the months to come. More importantly, the hurricane season is still upon us, and local and state officials must stay focused on the jobs for which they were elected--and not on the deadly game of passing the emergency buck. Mr. Williams is president of the Evergreen Freedom Foundation, a free market public policy research organization in Olympia, Wash.

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New Orleans and Louisiana have known for decades about the consequences of a hurricane. They have even done drills for it. Why didn't the city have any bottled water on hand to have at the Superdome and Convention Center if those were to be the evacuation points?

Come on libs, you are not being truthful with yourselves.

This is SO SLAM DUNK it is not funny. The mayor orders people to move to a location where there are NO PROVISIONS of any kind. Not even a bag of peanuts. He even leaves the buses in low-lying areas so they can become flooded. Come on. Get real.

The Mayor of New Orleans should be up on murder charges if you ask me.
 
mespock said:
keep Trying to cover it up!! Keep trying!!
Cover up what? The liberal mindset. Never take responsibility for anything. The Democratic Party has failed you. 60 years they controlled Louisiana. 60 years. Democrat Mayor, Democrat Governor. Democrat Legislature. Failure, failure, failure.
 
MonsterMark said:
New Orleans and Louisiana have known for decades about the consequences of a hurricane. They have even done drills for it. Why didn't the city have any bottled water on hand to have at the Superdome and Convention Center if those were to be the evacuation points?

Come on libs, you are not being truthful with yourselves.

This is SO SLAM DUNK it is not funny. The mayor orders people to move to a location where there are NO PROVISIONS of any kind. Not even a bag of peanuts. He even leaves the buses in low-lying areas so they can become flooded. Come on. Get real.

The Mayor of New Orleans should be up on murder charges if you ask me.

When FEMA knew the magnitude of the disaster that was going to happen days before it happened why didn't they start to prepare and have their plan in action.

This was a very large storm that was going to devastate a very large area wherever it hit. It was going to hit the gulf coast. It was going to be the worse storm this century. They knew this. The Federal Government is suppose to be ready to take care of it's people.

The Governor asked for help! Before they screamed for help! Nothing happened!.. Oh accept a lot of vaction time.
 
mespock said:
When FEMA knew the magnitude of the disaster that was going to happen days before it happened why didn't they start to prepare and have their plan in action.

This was a very large storm that was going to devastate a very large area wherever it hit. It was going to hit the gulf coast. It was going to be the worse storm this century. They knew this. The Federal Government is suppose to be ready to take care of it's people.

The Governor asked for help! Before they screamed for help! Nothing happened!.. Oh accept a lot of vaction time.
The Federal government are not the 1st responders. Local government is.

I guess these questions need to be answered before anything else makes sense.

1) Why didn't the city use buses to evacuate those without transportation?

2) Why did they direct people to an area with no support infrastructure?

3) Why was there no support infrastructure if that was were you going to send people?

Many more questions but this discussion should start here.
 
Hi, I'm from Mississippi.... remember Mississippi.....where the eye of the hurricane actually hit? The problems in New Orleans have completely overshadowed the fact that people up to 200 miles inland from the Mississippi Gulf Coast have suffered everything from deaths, loss of everything, loss of property, gas shortages, loss of power, loss of water.

It didn't "level New Orleans" it flooded it. The Mississippi Gulf Coast was leveled. Entire towns are nothing but a pile of rubble.

The State and local authorities are responsible for evacuating the citizens. FEMA comes in and fixes things AFTER the disaster. That is their federal mandate. As for the local resonse the Louisiana bus barn with 1500 buses reserved for evacuation doesn't exist. Neither does the one in Mississippi.

Is the situation in New Orleans messed up? YES, but many many other people suffered from this. Everybody needs help.
 
mespock said:
When FEMA knew the magnitude of the disaster that was going to happen days before it happened why didn't they start to prepare and have their plan in action.

They knew this. The Federal Government is suppose to be ready to take care of it's people.

This is ridiculous........... You truly believe that DAYS before it hit, the federal government knew where it would hit, they knew the magnatude of the damage, and should have been prepared...... did the liberal Democrats know this or just the Republicans? Or just President George Bush? I'm quite sure that Hillary Clinton didn't know about it right? Have you gone so far as to drink the Kool-Aid?

I guess they stopped the government spreading of the AIDS epidemic long enough to retask the black helicopters to fly into the eye of the storm to predict its path and scope days prior to landfall. Why didn't they just use the federal weather control devices that Bush used to created the Hurricane to drive up gas prices to direct it to federally targeted area?
 
They knew it was in the gulf coast. They knew it was going to hit between Florida to Texas.

They knew it was large and it's magnitude! They knew wherever it made land fall that it was going to be bad!

Don't matter which group Dems or Reps the Fed Gov should have been prepared, but the Reps where in Charge! They were on offense they had the ball.
 
Posted by Lance on another site:


looks like the Mayor wanted to starve his own people by not letting the Red Cross bring food and water into the superdome, thinking the people wouldn't want to leave if they got comfortable. Another example of the DEADLY CONSEQUENCES of LIBERALISM!

http://www.radioblogger.com/#000967
 
they have had since what 1969 to fix it
I have Been THinking it is not the frual of Huricane Katrina to blame the
on the Deaths of all the Victims but the
Huricane that hapend in 1969 becouse
they did nothing to fix
the dams and all the probelms from the huricane that Hapend in 1969
that where never fixed
and forgoten about by most
 
mespock said:
They knew it was in the gulf coast. They knew it was going to hit between Florida to Texas.

They knew it was large and it's magnitude! They knew wherever it made land fall that it was going to be bad!

Don't matter which group Dems or Reps the Fed Gov should have been prepared, but the Reps where in Charge! They were on offense they had the ball.

You keep stepping backward from these body blows, you're gonna hit the ropes, my friend...

The facts have been spelled out before you clearly. It is CLEAR that the local and state govts had jurisdiction AND it was CLEAR that the FED govt was READY TO GO. The locals failed to ask for help in time, and they failed to get their people out beforehand.

If you say that the FEDS knew how bad the hurricane was gonna be, then you must also admit that the locals knew it and should have evacuated their people. You CANNOT have it both ways. Sorry.

The way you continue to deny the truth that is PLAINLY before you shows that you are biased against Bush and will say anything to oppose him, even if it goes against THE TRUTH and 75% of the American people.

Like it or not, if you continue this path, you will continue to be
*owned*
 
mespock said:
The only body blows are the ones given to this country buy the people that you support!

Good thing America is strong.!!

There you go again, strong words full of sound and fury signifying NOTHING because you don't back it up with evidence OR EVEN REASONS.

BTW, America, as you put it, IS strong, and the latest poll shows that 75% of Americans do NOT think Bush is to blame for these mistakes.

:sleep:
 
fossten said:
There you go again, strong words full of sound and fury signifying NOTHING because you don't back it up with evidence OR EVEN REASONS.

BTW, America, as you put it, IS strong, and the latest poll shows that 75% of Americans do NOT think Bush is to blame for these mistakes.

:sleep:
More like 87%
 
fossten said:
BTW, America, as you put it, IS strong, and the latest poll shows that 75% of Americans do NOT think Bush is to blame for these mistakes.

HMMMM.... seems that perception is shifting:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050908/pl_nm/polls_dc
Bush suffers in polls post-Katrina

By John Whitesides, Political Correspondent Thu Sep 8, 5:43 PM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -
President George W. Bush's image suffered in public opinion polls taken after Hurricane Katrina hit the U.S. Gulf Coast, with some finding growing doubts about his leadership and the country's direction.

After a week of criticism for a slow response to the devastation caused by Katrina, polls released on Thursday registered drops in Bush's approval ratings and in confidence in his leadership.

A Pew Research Center poll found 67 percent of Americans believed Bush could have done more to speed up relief efforts, and just 28 percent believed he did all he could. His approval rating slipped to 40 percent, down four points since July to the lowest point Pew has recorded.

The Pew poll also found a shift in public priorities after Katrina caused a jump in gasoline prices last week, with a majority saying for the first time since the September 11, 2001, attacks that it was more important for Bush to focus on domestic policy than the war on terrorism.

"Americans are depressed, angry and very worried about the economic consequences of the disaster," said Andrew Kohut, director of the Pew poll.

A WEEK OF CRITICISM

The new polls indicated a week of criticism and political finger-pointing over who is to blame for the disastrous response to Katrina could have taken a toll on the White House.

A CBS poll taken September 6-7 found 38 percent approved of Bush's handling of the storm's aftermath, while 58 percent disapproved. That was a dramatic shift from immediately after the storm last week, when 54 percent approved and 12 percent disapproved.

The CBS poll also found confidence in Bush during a crisis had fallen and only 48 percent now view him as a strong leader -- the lowest number ever for Bush in the poll. A year ago 64 percent of voters saw Bush as a strong leader.

Bush's approval rating fell to 41 percent in a new Zogby poll, with only 36 percent giving him a passing grade on his handling of the response to the storm.

The Zogby poll also found broad pessimism among a majority of Americans after the storm, with 53 percent saying the country is headed in the wrong direction and 42 percent saying it is on the right track.

A CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll taken on September 5-6 found 42 percent believed Bush did a "bad" or "terrible" job handling the storm and subsequent flooding, while 35 percent thought he performed "great" or "good."

A Washington Post/ABC News poll taken September 2 offered more mixed results, with 46 percent approving of Bush's performance and 47 percent disapproving.

There was plenty of blame to go around for the slow response to Katrina, with local and state governments also taking a hit.

The Gallup poll found 13 percent blamed Bush for the problems in New Orleans, while 18 percent blamed federal agencies, 25 percent blamed state and local officials and 38 percent said no one was to blame.

In the Pew poll, 58 percent thought the federal government had done only a fair or poor job after the storm, but 51 percent also thought state and local governments in Louisiana and Mississippi had done just a fair or poor job.
 

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