Everybody attributes quote to Lincoln incorrectly.

[fossten]

Obama: Bound to be Fake [John J. Pitney Jr.]

In his remarks to the House Democratic Caucus (the White House website called it “The House Democratic Congress” – talk about a sense of ownership), the president said:

I have the great pleasure of having a really nice library at the White House. And I was tooling through some of the writings of some previous Presidents and I came upon this quote by Abraham Lincoln: “I am not bound to win, but I’m bound to be true. I’m not bound to succeed, but I’m bound to live up to what light I have.”

The book he was consulting may have been They Never Said It, by Paul F. Boller and John George. If so, he missed what they said about the Lincoln passage: “This sounds like Honest Abe, but honesty compels admirers of Lincoln to admit that there is no documentary evidence for the statement.”

 

[foxpaws]

Reagan uses fake Lincoln quote, not once - but twice...

Do we ever fear failure of the defense of principle? “I am not bound to win,” Lincoln said, “but am bound to be true. I am not bound to succeed, but I am bound by what light I have.”

Remarks at a Wreath-Laying Ceremony at the 
Lincoln Memorial, February 12,1981

I was told once that if you stand to one side of his statue at the Lincoln Memorial, you can see the profile of a man of strength and wisdom, and by standing on the other side, the profile of a man of compassion. Well, I did that, and it's true. He taught us the true meaning of "We, the people .... " He made us understand that no man is good enough to govern another man without that other's consent. And he lived by his words. "I am not bound to win, but am bound to be true."

Radio Address to the Nation on the Fiscal Year 1984 Budget
February 12, 1983

 

[foxpaws]

Boyscouts use fake Lincoln Quote

Abraham Lincoln said, "I am not bound to win, but I am bound to be true. I am not bound to succeed, but I am bound to live up to the light I have. I must stand with anybody who stands right, stand with him while he is right, and part with him when he goes wrong."

The Scoutmaster Minute: Your Handbook for Inspiring Moments
By Ron Wendel

To a group of Scouts, a Scoutmaster is teacher, friend, guide and role model. Moments are frequent when a scout leader has a true opportunity to teach, inspire, and help to shape the minds and souls of young individuals. From closing a pack meeting to sitting around the campfire, this pocket guide of inspirational quotes and stories offers the ability to make the most of these times.

 

[04SCTLS]

Now conservatives have taken this to the next level and are Soviet Union like whitewashing and rewriting school textbooks in Texas, faking american history and turning it into propaganda so it's more to their liking.

Texas Public School Officials Set to Inbreed Knowledge: A solid majority of the state's Board of Education don't much believe in "evolution" or in "separation of church and state" or in the weaknesses of capitalism, and they are determined that their own kids, and all other Texans', learn the correct things. They are in the process of prescribing the content for the state's textbooks (as opposed to what other states do, which is to select among what scholars in the relevant fields write). New York Times

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/13/education/13texas.html

 

[fossten]

Do we ever fear failure of the defense of principle? “I am not bound to win,” Lincoln said, “but am bound to be true. I am not bound to succeed, but I am bound by what light I have.”

Remarks at a Wreath-Laying Ceremony at the 
Lincoln Memorial, February 12,1981

I was told once that if you stand to one side of his statue at the Lincoln Memorial, you can see the profile of a man of strength and wisdom, and by standing on the other side, the profile of a man of compassion. Well, I did that, and it's true. He taught us the true meaning of "We, the people .... " He made us understand that no man is good enough to govern another man without that other's consent. And he lived by his words. "I am not bound to win, but am bound to be true."

Radio Address to the Nation on the Fiscal Year 1984 Budget
February 12, 1983

Tu Quoque...

I forgive Reagan because unlike Obama he was not a communist.

4. "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules. You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity."

 

[fossten]

Spamming now, Fox? How very troll of you.

I forgive the Boy Scout Handbook writer because unlike Obama he is probably not a communist.

So, do you think Obama was reading the Scout Handbook in his library the other night? I mean, how stupid is Obama that it's been public knowledge since Reagan that this wasn't a Lincoln quote, and yet he used it anyway? What a MORON.

 

[shagdrum]

Now conservatives have taken this to the next level and are Soviet Union like whitewashing and rewriting school textbooks in Texas, faking american history and turning it into propaganda so it's more to their liking.

Ah, wrong. You should know what you are talking about.

 

[Calabrio]

..this thread is ridiculous...
Foxpaws unstated point is valid, though I don't think it needed two separate threads. The commonly believed attribute isn't what's important, it's the sentiment of the statement.

Clearly, Obama's speech writer made a reasonable mistake and you can't expect Obama to know to correct it when he's reading off the teleprompter.

Nitpicking at that level is trivial and unproductive.

However, for the record, the book Fossten referenced was released in 1990.
9 years after Reagan said it at the ceremony.

 

[04SCTLS]

Ah, wrong. You should know what you are talking about.

An insulated inbred sentimental self serving revisionist cartoonish selective history is what I see even if I agree with some of the revisions

 

[cammerfe]

It all depends on who's doing the selecting

An insulated inbred sentimental self serving revisionist cartoonish selective history is what I see even if I agree with some of the revisions

Since 'what you see' is, in actuality, a partial un-doing of the progressive S H I T that usually is displayed in textbooks, it'll surely be a breath of fresh air.
KS

 

[04SCTLS]

It's history from the eyes of the beholders in this case the mostly white christian cultural view which is fine but it's not the whole history.

 

[foxpaws]

Tu Quoque...

I forgive Reagan because unlike Obama he was not a communist.

4. "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules. You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity."

If you can't 'live up to your own book of rules' why impose them on others?

 

[Calabrio]

If you can't 'live up to your own book of rules' why impose them on others?

No one enforces these rules, but the goal is to live up to a set of ideals that elevate us all. Not to set the bar so low that we can all wallow in the scum and indulge our base selves.

We all fall short at times. That doesn't mean the goal, the effort is wasted, or that it is wrong or unattainable.

 

[shagdrum]

It's history from the eyes of the beholders in this case the mostly white christian cultural view which is fine but it's not the whole history.

Did you miss the points made in the article I posted?

The fact is that most textbooks and curriculum in the country at every level is dominated by a leftist point of view and slant. Texas is simply evening it out.

To characterize it as presenting a one-sided view due to the actions of the Texas School Board is to ignorantly perpetuate a lie.

 

[shagdrum]

If you can't 'live up to your own book of rules' why impose them on others?

Are you joking?!

If the standard you are implying is followed by most of society, civilized society would not be possible.

 

[foxpaws]

Are you joking?!

If the standard you are implying is followed by most of society, civilized society would not be possible.

I am only talking about this thread Shag-if Foss expects this of one politician he should expect this of all politicians. Why exclude - it weakens your argument.

 

[shagdrum]

I am only talking about this thread Shag-if Foss expects this of one politician he should expect this of all politicians. Why exclude - it weakens your argument.

So, you are being disingenuous to win a debate.

 

[foxpaws]

So, you are being disingenuous to win a debate.

Nope - if you don't apply the rule equally it weakens your argument.

 

[shagdrum]

Nope - if you don't apply the rule equally it weakens your argument.

That is not what you originally said:

If you can't 'live up to your own book of rules' why impose them on others?​

 

[foxpaws]

That is not what you originally said:

If you can't 'live up to your own book of rules' why impose them on others?​

And there is a big difference?

Nope - if you don't apply the rule equally it weakens your argument.

If you can live up to your own rule, it weakens the argument that others should live up to it.

You shouldn't impose the rule if you don't apply it to everyone.

 

[shagdrum]

If you can live up to your own rule, it weakens the argument that others should live up to it.

That is the definition of a Tu Quoque argument.

You shouldn't impose the rule if you don't apply it to everyone.

Again, under that standard, civil society is not possible.

If Alinsky's rules are what passes as morals for you, then I feel sorry for you...

 

[Calabrio]

If Alinsky's rules are what passes as morals for you, then I feel sorry for you...

The ends justify them...

 

[foxpaws]

Again, under that standard, civil society is not possible.

If Alinsky's rules are what passes as morals for you, then I feel sorry for you...

So, civil society creates rules that don't equally apply to everyone shag?

 

[shagdrum]

So, civil society creates rules that don't equally apply to everyone shag?

Do you truly not understand what I am saying or are you setting up a straw man?

 

[fossten]

So, civil society creates rules that don't equally apply to everyone shag?

No, the Democrat Party does.