Evidence that the Earth is Young

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Evidence for a young world

http://answersingenesis.org/home/area/re1/chapter8.asp

Actually, 90 percent of the methods that have been used to estimate the age of the earth point to an age far less than the billions of years asserted by evolutionists. A few of them:

Red blood cells and hemoglobin have been found in some (unfossilized!) dinosaur bone. But these could not last more than a few thousand years—certainly not the 65 million years from when evolutionists think the last dinosaur lived.14

The earth’s magnetic field has been decaying so fast that it couldn’t be more than about 10,000 years old. Rapid reversals during the flood year and fluctuations shortly after just caused the field energy to drop even faster.15

Helium is pouring into the atmosphere from radioactive decay, but not much is escaping. But the total amount in the atmosphere is only 1/2000th of that expected if the atmosphere were really billions of years old. This helium originally escaped from rocks. This happens quite fast, yet so much helium is still in some rocks that it couldn’t have had time to escape—certainly not billions of years.16

A supernova is an explosion of a massive star—the explosion is so bright that it briefly outshines the rest of the galaxy. The supernova remnants (SNRs) should keep expanding for hundreds of thousands of years, according to the physical equations. Yet there are no very old, widely expanded (Stage 3) SNRs, and few moderately old (Stage 2) ones in our galaxy, the Milky Way, or in its satellite galaxies, the Magellanic clouds. This is just what we would expect if these galaxies had not existed long enough for wide expansion.17

The moon is slowly receding from earth at about 1-1/2 inches (4cm) per year, and the rate would have been greater in the past. But even if the moon had started receding from being in contact with the earth, it would have taken only 1.37 billion years to reach its present distance. This gives a maximum possible age of the moon—not the actual age. This is far too young for evolution (and much younger than the radiometric ‘dates’ assigned to moon rocks).18

Salt is pouring into the sea much faster than it is escaping. The sea is not nearly salty enough for this to have been happening for billions of years. Even granting generous assumptions to evolutionists, the seas could not be more than 62 million years old—far younger than the billions of years believed by evolutionists. Again, this indicates a maximum age, not the actual age.19

A number of other processes inconsistent with billions of years are given in the AiG pamphlet Evidence for a Young World, by Dr Russell Humphreys.

Creationists admit that they can’t prove the age of the earth using a particular scientific method. They realize that all science is tentative because we do not have all the data, especially when dealing with the past. This is true of both creationist and evolutionist scientific arguments—evolutionists have had to abandon many ‘proofs’ for evolution as well. For example, the atheistic evolutionist W.B. Provine admits: ‘Most of what I learned of the field in graduate (1964–68) school is either wrong or significantly changed.’20 Creationists understand the limitations of these dating methods better than evolutionists who claim that they can use certain present processes to ‘prove’ that the earth is billions of years old. In reality, all age-dating methods, including those which point to a young earth, rely on unprovable assumptions.

Creationists ultimately date the earth using the chronology of the Bible. This is because they believe that this is an accurate eyewitness account of world history, which can be shown to be consistent with much data.

Addendum: John Woodmorappe has just published a detailed study demonstrating the fallacy of radiometric ‘dating,’ including the ‘high-tech’ isochron method: The Mythology of Modern Dating Methods (El Cajon, CA: Institute for Creation Research, 1999).
 
'Red blood cells and hemoglobin have been found in some (unfossilized!) dinosaur bone. But these could not last more than a few thousand years—certainly not the 65 million years from when evolutionists think the last dinosaur lived.14'

Please show me an unfossilized dinosaur bone? Geneticist would be jumping at the opportunity to study viable dinosaur DNA, do you not think they would have clowned a dinosaur instead of Dolly the sheep if they had the means? Jurasic Park would be a reality if so.

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Admins, would it be possible to make a 'Religion/Science' forum??? Not that religion is often discussed in here, but it always gets clumped into politics and as one example, Fossten's recent politics thread was hi-jacked (not pointing figers) by religion. Maybe make a poll and see if people are interested?
 
95DevilleNS said:
'Red blood cells and hemoglobin have been found in some (unfossilized!) dinosaur bone. But these could not last more than a few thousand years—certainly not the 65 million years from when evolutionists think the last dinosaur lived.14'

Please show me an unfossilized dinosaur bone? Geneticist would be jumping at the opportunity to study viable dinosaur DNA, do you not think they would have clowned a dinosaur instead of Dolly the sheep if they had the means? Jurasic Park would be a reality if so.

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Admins, would it be possible to make a 'Religion/Science' forum??? Not that religion is often discussed in here, but it always gets clumped into politics and as one example, Fossten's recent politics thread was hi-jacked (not pointing figers) by religion. Maybe make a poll and see if people are interested?

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/summary/sci;307/5717/1852b
http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2005/324/2

“We know from chemical experiments that it [DNA] degrades and how fast it degrades. After 25 million years, there shouldn’t be any DNA left at all.” Rebecca L. Cann, as quoted by Morell, p. 1862.

From Dr. Walt Brown's book @ www.creationscience.com

Even living bacterial spores have been recovered, cultured, and identified in intestines of bees preserved in supposedly 25–40-million-year-old amber.k The same bacteria, Bacillus, are found alive in rocks allegedly 250 million and 650 million years old.l Italian scientists have recovered 78 different types of dormant, but living, bacteria in two meteorites that are presumed to be 4.5 billion years old.m If one accepts these old ages for rocks, then they must also accept that some bacteria are practically immortal—an obviously absurd conclusion.

One reference: “When you look at them they don’t look any different from the modern ones, but these bacteria are ancient [supposedly 25–40 million years ancient] and they’re alive!” Joshua Fischman, “Have 25-Million-Year-Old Bacteria Returned to Life?” Science, Vol. 268, 19 May 1995, p. 977.
 
95DevilleNS said:
Admins, would it be possible to make a 'Religion/Science' forum???...Maybe make a poll and see if people are interested?

We try to do everything we can to accomodate the members. That is why the site exists. For the members.

Put up a poll here. If you guys want it, you'll 'probably' get it.

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Your Favorite Admin
 
Barwick said:
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/summary/sci;307/5717/1852b
http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2005/324/2

“We know from chemical experiments that it [DNA] degrades and how fast it degrades. After 25 million years, there shouldn’t be any DNA left at all.” Rebecca L. Cann, as quoted by Morell, p. 1862.

From Dr. Walt Brown's book @ www.creationscience.com

Even living bacterial spores have been recovered, cultured, and identified in intestines of bees preserved in supposedly 25–40-million-year-old amber.k The same bacteria, Bacillus, are found alive in rocks allegedly 250 million and 650 million years old.l Italian scientists have recovered 78 different types of dormant, but living, bacteria in two meteorites that are presumed to be 4.5 billion years old.m If one accepts these old ages for rocks, then they must also accept that some bacteria are practically immortal—an obviously absurd conclusion.

One reference: “When you look at them they don’t look any different from the modern ones, but these bacteria are ancient [supposedly 25–40 million years ancient] and they’re alive!” Joshua Fischman, “Have 25-Million-Year-Old Bacteria Returned to Life?” Science, Vol. 268, 19 May 1995, p. 977.

Those articles do not support the original claim; that unfossilized dinosaur bones have been found... It talks of fossilized dinosaur bones MAYBE having a chance of having some usuable DNA. Dinosaur bones being only a few thousand years old is a creationist pipe dream.

Schweitzer is seeking funding for sophisticated tests that would use techniques such as mass spectroscopy and high performance liquid chromatography to check for dino tissue. As for DNA, which is less abundant and more fragile than proteins, Poinar says it's theoretically possible that some may have survived, if conditions stayed just right (preferably dry and subzero) for all 68 million years. "Wouldn't it be cool?" he muses, but adds "the likelihood is probably next to none."
 
:bowrofl:

Yeah...the earth is only a few thousand years old. It's also flat and the sun revolves around it.
 
FreeFaller said:
:bowrofl:

Yeah...the earth is only a few thousand years old. It's also flat and the sun revolves around it.


Dont forget the tons of cheeze the moon is made of. I dont think the little green men from mars have eaten it yet.

Come on fossten, your smarter then this. Pretend a liberal said this - I bet you ahve a dozen arguments agsint it then.
 
Joeychgo said:
Come on fossten, your smarter then this. Pretend a liberal said this - I bet you ahve a dozen arguments agsint it then.

I think Freefaller was being sarcastic, but I'm not going to rise to bait that's not really bait. FF was just commenting his opinion. He has yet to offer any evidence or proof of his point of view, so I don't need to refute it.

I do have a comment for you, though. You usually type much better than that. What are you doing, looking at porn while you type with one hand? :D
 
Fossten, all of those supposed "proofs" of a young earth have been debunked long ago.

You will no doubt dismiss anything that comes from this site since it is well-known as the bane of ID crazies, but it is here for reference for those who have an interest in what REAL science has to say.

Dino blood:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/dinosaur/blood.html

And pretty much all of the rest and many more refutations of this young earth lunacy can be found in this handy list:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/howgood-yea.html
 
TommyB said:
Fossten, all of those supposed "proofs" of a young earth have been debunked long ago.

You will no doubt dismiss anything that comes from this site since it is well-known as the bane of ID crazies, but it is here for reference for those who have an interest in what REAL science has to say.

Dino blood:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/dinosaur/blood.html

And pretty much all of the rest and many more refutations of this young earth lunacy can be found in this handy list:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/howgood-yea.html

Thanks for the post, that is an interesting site.
 

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