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Beamer

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Well as most know my parents who fell in love w/ my LS after I got were going to purchase it in a package deal w/ a refinance. Well everything was set and as far as my parents and I knew the LS was theirs after thursday night. Whelp the place threw a curve ball and the payment was going to be insane so my parents cancelled the deal and here I am AGAIN stuck w/ the LS. I love the car, but I have more interest in getting things put together for the future and the LS is just a small kink holding me back from getting there in the speed I want, that and my mind changes often and I want something else.

Well before I knew the deal was sour I had test drove a Honda FIT and liked it(do not care what anyone else thinks, lets not get into that). They did some numbers there and I could of got a lease for 48 months at under $300 a month or just over 300 to go 60+ months and buy it. Well I thought 4 years in a bit long for a lease but it did seem like an ok deal, not great(this was w/ $500 down). Well fast forward to earlier today and I get a call from the dealer asking if I had sold the LS and I tell him no, just my luck it did not go through. Well he says he thinks that they can still work out a trade and lease and I should come by saturday morning and have 'em look at my LS and go from there since the paper was all ready taken care of sort of. I said ok, won't hurt to come by.

So I thought about it the rest of the day and just a few minutes ago I did some rough number crunching to see where I would be at the end of the lease on the FIT or the end of the loan on the LS. I have no idea if I worked it right but here is what I did. I thank you guys who are willing to read through this(first posted in myspace blog):

So w/ the failing of sellling the Lincoln I figured it was pretty much over w/ trying to get rid of it. I got a call today from a Honda dealer I had visited and test drove the new FIT as another car I might get if the LS had sold. Well I told the guy it did not sell and he still thinks it is possible to trade in and still lease the FIT for 48 months(4 years, normal time it takes to pay off a car keep in mind). Well I am not sure about leasing for that long but figured maybe it'd be worth it in the end saving money wise. Here is what I crunched.

Ok, a 10 day payoff of the LS if the dealer was to work the deal would be $20,070(this is a real number, check w/ GMAC). Now say the dealer gives me $16,000(be amazed) for my LS that means I am upside down(negative equity) $4,070. A fit costs about $15,900 if I get lucky. So you take 15,900 and add 4070 and you get $19,970. That is about what I owe on the LS. So you take 19,970 and divide it by 48 months and you get $416.04 which would MAYBE be my monthly payment on the FIT(this is not including the APR, which would of course make it higher). I pay $469.29 a month on the LS right now and have about 49 months to go and its payed off. So take 469.29 x 49= 22,995.21 or so in the end right? Ok, so than take 416.04 x 48= 19,969.92 in the end for the fit. ok, take 22,995.21-19,969,92 and = $3025.29 I would save if I went w/ the FIT. Ok, so the FIT seems like the deal, well than I decided to see what if I added gas. The FITS yearly gas in $ was estimated to be $900 something. I figured I would probably do around $1050(obvisiously not really sure what it would really be). So you take $1050 x 48mths = $50,400 in gas for 4 years!!! Ok, take 19,969.92(total cost of car) 50,400(total gas cost)= $70,369.92 for having the fit for 4 yrs. Ok now for the ls(lets start new paragraph)

Ok, so we figure the LS well cost $22,995.21. I figure I spend around $1300 a year in gas for it so take that and times it by 49 and get $63,700 in total gas cost. Remember the 49 is cause I have that long to go for it. So you take the LS' cost 22,995.21 63,700 and you get $86,695.21 in total for the LS and its gas. So this means you than subtract the FIT and LS. So 86,695.21- 70369.92=16,325.29 difference. And that difference is what I would save if I went ahead and got the FIT. Seems easy right? Well you have to remember the FIT is a LEASE and I would need to get something else after and it would probably be something fairly new right? Yea, so minus that savings and I could come out pretty much equal right?

So now I do not know what to do. I do not even know if all that was done right either so that is another thing to consider. I did not add in insurance but I am sure between the two the FIT would be slightly better or equal to how much the LS is so I am not figuring that cause it would probably be pennies but I have no idea.

So any advice?
 
Beamer said:
I figure I spend around $1300 a year in gas for it so take that and times it by 49 and get $63,700 in total gas cost. Remember the 49 is cause I have that long to go for it.
You have a 49 year lease? You better cut down on the driving that car is never going to last you till the end. LOL
I go through $65p/week x 52 (weeks in a year)
---------------------------------- x 49 months = $13 801.66
12 (to get monthly fuel cost)
 
Redone right(I think)

I messed up on the fuel part, when I did this it was way late. I times the fuel by 48 and 49 and not 4(number of years) so basically I did what I would pay over 48 years lol. I went to bed after and was like sonofab!tch I am stupid.

I figured someone would point it out, redoing it now.

Ok, redid it to 4 years, not 48&49.

So w/ the failing of sellling the Lincoln I figured it was pretty much over w/ trying to get rid of it. I got a call today from a Honda dealer I had visited and test drove the new FIT as another car I might get if the LS had sold. Well I told the guy it did not sell and he still thinks it is possible to trade in and still lease the FIT for 48 months(4 years, normal time it takes to pay off a car keep in mind). Well I am not sure about leasing for that long but figured maybe it'd be worth it in the end saving money wise. Here is what I crunched.

Ok, a 10 day payoff of the LS if the dealer was to work the deal would be $20,070. Now say the dealer gives me $16,000 for my LS that means I am upside down(negative equity) $4,070. A fit costs about $15,900 if I get lucky. So you take 15,900 and add 4070 and you get $19,970. That is about what I owe on the LS. So you take 19,970 and divide it by 48 months and you get $416.04 which would MAYBE be my monthly payment on the FIT(this is not including the APR, which would of course make it higher). I pay $469.29 a month on the LS right now and have about 49 months to go and its payed off. So take 469.29 x 49= 22,995.21 or so in the end right? Ok, so than take 416.04 x 48= 19,969.92 in the end for the fit. ok, take 22,995.21-19,969,92 and = $3025.29 I would save if I went w/ the FIT. Ok, so the FIT seems like the deal, well than I decided to see what if I added gas. The FITS yearly gas in $ was estimated to be $900 something. I figured I would probably do around $1050(obvisiously not really sure what it would really be). So you take $1050 x 4yrs = $4,200 in gas for 4 years!!! Ok, take 19,969.92(total cost of car) 4,200,(total gas cost)= $24,169.92 for having the fit for 4 yrs. Ok now for the ls(lets start new paragraph)

Ok, so we figure the LS well cost $22,995.21. I figure I spend around $1300 a year in gas for it so take that and times it by 4 yrs and get $5,200 in total gas cost. BUT, add another oh, $80 to that cause of the extra month so its now $5,280. So you take the LS' cost 22,995.21+$5,280 and you get $28,275.21 in total for the LS and its gas. So this means you than subtract the FIT and LS. So 28,275.21 - 24,169.92= $4,105.29 difference. And that difference is what I would save if I went ahead and got the FIT. Seems easy right? Well you have to remember the FIT is a LEASE and I would need to get something else after and it would probably be something fairly new right? Yea, so minus that savings to go to something else and not to mention other things like food and blah blah and I could come out showing no savings. The LS after I am done paying is paid off and is still mine cause it is not a lease.

So now I do not know what to do. I do not even know if all that was done right either so that is another thing to consider. I did not add in insurance but I am sure between the two the FIT would be slightly better or equal to how much the LS is so I am not figuring that cause it would probably be pennies but I have no idea.

So any advice?
 
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Beamer,

Be careful with leases... I got screwed on a lease. I would say if yo do mostly city driving then it might work out. I on the other hand like to drive and this puts miles on the car.. and I exceeded the mileage limit... wow had to pay a lot in penalties.

Just keep in mind you are saving some money... but you also have to keep to certian mileage limit. Some leases are hard to trade also in the future too.

My 2 cents... good luck.
 
Yea, they said 12,000 miles would be the limit a year. Typically I do maybe 10K. I put that much on my LS in alittle over a year so I think I would be ok but than again things do happen. 48k in 4 years seems like I would return the car at around 40 or so.

So you have to trade at the end of lease? Or do you just give it back and they sell it on the lot and you go looking for something else, this is what I thought you do.
 
Some variables you didn't calculate are repair costs. Your LS is out of warranty (or will be soon) so FIT has advantage there.

As far as leases go yes you just drop it off to them when you are done. Ususally there is a small "disposition fee" when you do that and that would be disclosed in the lease contract. You can buy the FIT at the end of your lease and that $$$ amount should also be in your lease contract. Here's the REAL problem in my opinion. The FIT lease @ 4 years and $300/mo is $15000 total. The car costs $15000 and you will have paid that much and won't own it. You need to also be aware that when you turn it in they will do every thing they can to nickel and dime you for door dings, over worn tires, etc. Read all the fine print in the lease contract.

I'm assuming you have a 60 month note on the LS so you've had it one year. Why are you wanting to get rid of it already? Any time you do that you're going to wind up in a negative equity position. Another thing you DIDN'T consider is in 49 months when the LS is paid off it will still be worth a few thousand $$$ so that $3K you are saving with the fit is eaten up with the LS's residiual value.

The part of your post I don't understand is why $19,995 for the FIT? Looking at costs on MSN autos you should be paying no more than 15K for that FIT.
 
No the fit is 16000 but he still owes on the ls over 4000...... add the two. Basically to him its going to cost over 20 000.
 
I did think of repair costs but seeing as how you never know what is going to mess up its hard to add that in there. As for warranty, the car has one for 6 more yrs or 75K. So its warranteed.

I thought about all that w/ the 4 yr lease and paying for it and it not being mine so that helped the decision aswell.

I have pretty much just gotten back from the dealer and this is what happened. Got there and they got my car looked at(they loved it, hard to believe) but only appraised at 11k. They said that I should go to Carmax and see if they could give me 14 for it and if they do I could have the FIT for the lease and a payment in the 390's, saving alittle more than 70 a month in a payment. As soon as they said Carmax I was like, deal breaker in my mind. I went to Car:q:q:qs awhile ago and they gave me crap about my LS being from Canada so I told 'em to stick it because they do not know :q:q:q:q compared to me and left.

So I told the salesman I would LEAVE, never said I was going to Car:q:q:qs or not and just came home. It makes sense in a way to get the FIT but there is just as much saying keep it, maybe sell in a couple of years or keep till its paid for so I am going that route for now.

I am very happy I decided to sit down and try and work the #'s myself and see where I would end up, because now I see that it is not that much better in the end. I do that calculate the future thing alot, gives me an idea where I well be in a few months.

Anyway, I am waiting on the phone to ring and have the guy asking what is up. I well tell him "if you needed 3k more, than you should give me it. Of course I have made my mind up and think I well be better off dealing w/ the LS, thanks though for your time I appreciate the help and unless you can pull a huge miracle than forget about contacting me in the future."
 
The other thing to consider is the cars themselves. I'm not going to knock the FIT per your request but it's no LS. Not even close. Think you made the right decision.
 
Yea me too^. Although I do like the FIT, there is just something about it that I like about it. Oh well, they well be everywhere soon so, wait... The LS is everywhere too.
 
what is honda FIT??? and your LS will probobly drive way nicer then thoes hondas... KEEP IT
 

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