Follow-up post. No crank, no start 02 LS V8

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Hey everyone, I posted just the other day about my LS that won't start. I wanted to include a video to hopefully show some of the symptoms she is experiencing and ask you guys a question. I was wondering if anyone could tell me how to crank the engine by hand. I have no tools at all so I'm trying to figure out if it would be worth it to just buy the tools necessary to hand crank the engine and save the $100 it would cost to tow it down the street so I could at least tell if it is seized, as repair wouldn't be an option for me if that were the case.

Can the engine be hand cranked without jacking the car up? And what tools would I need for the job? Here is a video of what's happening http://youtu.be/PO7vhNCM8oA
 
Still looks like bad battery.
You need a pull-handle and a socket to fit the crank-damper bolt. You can do it without jacking the car up, but you will have to do some dissassembly (like removing the air tube) to get to the crank. If you do this, it's fairly important that you don't turn the crank backwards.
 
how is that not a bad battery?!?!?!

have to tried jump starting it?
 
No, I haven't had it load tested yet. It's been tough for me to get around without my car. If it was the battery then that wouldn't explain the horrible sound I heard before it died out though, right?
 
that looks as much like a dead battery as you can get...

the ONLY other thing I would think would be a bad/loose power or ground connection.


its worth repeating that with an LS (and a lot of modern cars) there are a lot of times when the battery is so dead, that even jump starting the car wont work (trust me, I've helped a couple of different people on here that couldn't get the car to jump start from another car)





but lets say without the car, you can't go anywhere to get the battery tested (cough cough lyft/uber cough) but you have a car that you can use to jump that has a known good battery, heres two things to try...

first, the quickest, remove LS battery, remove other battery from jumping car, then install other battery into LS and see if starts. if it does, then you can put that battery back in the other car and then go get yourself a new (proper/safe) battery

second, if the battery is not completely sh!t by now (it probably is) hook the other car up to the LS like you were going to jump start the car, but instead of trying to jump it, just let the other car run for at least 30-60 minutes, then while the other car is still running, then try to start the LS. this will use the other cars alternator to charge up your battery.


if your going to jump a car, make sure to use good quality cables. cheap cable tend to be way too thin for the current needing to be carried, and sometimes have piss poor crimped connections.
 
Michaelaf said:
If it was the battery then that wouldn't explain the horrible sound I heard before it died out though, right?
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this is why is a very good to not create new threads about the same problem, you always want to update your original thread as this thread has no mention of a terrible noise until right there. with

only part of the info, its gonna be damn hard to get good help.



also (probably covered in this other thread somewhere) this should be a super easy thing to rule out with some simple testing with a volt meter.
 
Yeah I apologize for the new thread. I just figured the first one would be dead by now and no one would see it. I appreciate the replies anyways and I think I'll probably take the battery to a Canadian Tire to have it load tested.
 
Michaelaf said:
Yeah I apologize for the new thread. I just figured the first one would be dead by now and no one would see it. ...
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When you post something new to a thread, it moves it back up to the top and it will show as unread for everyone.
 
An alternative, in regard to 'jumping' is to remove the connections at the battery and then hook your jumpers to the two now-loose cable ends. As was (sorta) mentioned above, a dead battery acts as a 'sink' and the jumper-power simply goes into the dead battery instead of powering your car.

KS
 
I wouldn't' recommend running a modern car without its battery
 
If you do it right you can put the loose car cables back on the 'dead' battery before you disconnect the jumpers. The car never runs without a battery in the circuit.

KS
 
The main reason that a jump start sometimes won't work with a bad battery, isn't because the bad battery is stealing current. It's because there is too much voltage drop across the jumper cables at the high current the starter needs. If your battery is discharged, but okay, then after a few minutes or less it has enough charge to supply at least half the current needed. Most people do not get the really good jumper cables. The cheap ones are only really good for charging the battery is giving a boost while starting, but not for good enough to supply all the power needed for starting.
 
Ok. Makes sense. I will be taking the battery in today to test it. Before I do that, could it be a fuse that's causing the problem? I want to rule out anything cheap before I take it in because I only work part time so the tow to the shop is gonna kill me.
 
doubtful, but fuses are probably the easiest thing in the world to check...
 
cammerfe said:
If you do it right you can put the loose car cables back on the 'dead' battery before you disconnect the jumpers. The car never runs without a battery in the circuit.

KS
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exactly, IF... however, if you do it wrong (which someone with little experience, seeking advice on the internet may be likely to do) you could end up with a fried computer. Risk vs Reward
 
cammerfe said:
If you do it right you can put the loose car cables back on the 'dead' battery before you disconnect the jumpers. The car never runs without a battery in the circuit.

KS
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I see that as an excellent way to blow up the alternator. That much of a load dumped in all of a sudden? Boom. Fried diodes.
 
I'm having trouble removing the bolt on the bottom of the hold down clamp, it won't budge. Any tips?
 
Here's another simple solution.

Go to Wal-Mart. Buy a new battery. (I prefer Optima Red Tops). Replace your current battery with Red Top. Make sure battery is charged (if you have a charger, charge it). Start your LS. Still doesn't start? Not the battery, Return the Red top to Wal-Mart.
It Starts? Keep the battery and return your old one for the core charge refund (If Wal-Mart offers that).
 
Awesome. Just went to walmart and had it tested. Said dead cell - replace battery. I'm going to probably grab the battery that you suggested and try that. Hopefully it's available in Canada
 
Please don't get the Optima. It is the wrong battery for this car. Even the guy from Optima that was on here for a little while said that. It doesn't have a connection for the vent tube, but it has two vents. Under adverse conditions (like a short or overcharging) it will vent hydrogen into the trunk, and that will circulate into the cabin. You really need to get the correct, safe battery! (Walmart may even have the correct one now.)
 
Yeah, wasn't about to shell out 250 for a battery anyways. After getting the tests back I had the guy charge it and try again. The second test measured 612 CAA right after the charge. Took it home and no dice..
 
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