Gore Derangement Syndrome

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I'm usually loath to post opinion pieces, but with all the crap that gets posted here by Ann Coulter and other right-wing crazies, I thought this was a fitting turnabout. Go ahead and tear it apart. Insult, bitch and moan to your hearts' content, then realize that your reaction is pretty much identical to mine every time I read the opinion pieces you guys post which claim to know what us "godless liberals" are thinking.


Gore Derangement Syndrome
by Paul Krugman

On the day after Al Gore shared the Nobel Peace Prize, The Wall Street Journal’s editors couldn’t even bring themselves to mention Mr. Gore’s name. Instead, they devoted their editorial to a long list of people they thought deserved the prize more.

And at National Review Online, Iain Murray suggested that the prize should have been shared with “that well-known peace campaigner Osama bin Laden, who implicitly endorsed Gore’s stance.” You see, bin Laden once said something about climate change - therefore, anyone who talks about climate change is a friend of the terrorists.

What is it about Mr. Gore that drives right-wingers insane?

Partly it’s a reaction to what happened in 2000, when the American people chose Mr. Gore but his opponent somehow ended up in the White House. Both the personality cult the right tried to build around President Bush and the often hysterical denigration of Mr. Gore were, I believe, largely motivated by the desire to expunge the stain of illegitimacy from the Bush administration.

And now that Mr. Bush has proved himself utterly the wrong man for the job - to be, in fact, the best president Al Qaeda’s recruiters could have hoped for - the symptoms of Gore derangement syndrome have grown even more extreme.

The worst thing about Mr. Gore, from the conservative point of view, is that he keeps being right. In 1992, George H. W. Bush mocked him as the “ozone man,” but three years later the scientists who discovered the threat to the ozone layer won the Nobel Prize in Chemistry. In 2002 he warned that if we invaded Iraq, “the resulting chaos could easily pose a far greater danger to the United States than we presently face from Saddam.” And so it has proved.

But Gore hatred is more than personal. When National Review decided to name its anti-environmental blog Planet Gore, it was trying to discredit the message as well as the messenger. For the truth Mr. Gore has been telling about how human activities are changing the climate isn’t just inconvenient. For conservatives, it’s deeply threatening.

Consider the policy implications of taking climate change seriously.

“We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals,” said F.D.R. “We know now that it is bad economics.” These words apply perfectly to climate change. It’s in the interest of most people (and especially their descendants) that somebody do something to reduce emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases, but each individual would like that somebody to be somebody else. Leave it up to the free market, and in a few generations Florida will be underwater.

The solution to such conflicts between self-interest and the common good is to provide individuals with an incentive to do the right thing. In this case, people have to be given a reason to cut back on greenhouse gas emissions, either by requiring that they pay a tax on emissions or by requiring that they buy emission permits, which has pretty much the same effects as an emissions tax. We know that such policies work: the U.S. “cap and trade” system of emission permits on sulfur dioxide has been highly successful at reducing acid rain.

Climate change is, however, harder to deal with than acid rain, because the causes are global. The sulfuric acid in America’s lakes mainly comes from coal burned in U.S. power plants, but the carbon dioxide in America’s air comes from coal and oil burned around the planet - and a ton of coal burned in China has the same effect on the future climate as a ton of coal burned here. So dealing with climate change not only requires new taxes or their equivalent; it also requires international negotiations in which the United States will have to give as well as get.

Everything I’ve just said should be uncontroversial - but imagine the reception a Republican candidate for president would receive if he acknowledged these truths at the next debate. Today, being a good Republican means believing that taxes should always be cut, never raised. It also means believing that we should bomb and bully foreigners, not negotiate with them.

So if science says that we have a big problem that can’t be solved with tax cuts or bombs - well, the science must be rejected, and the scientists must be slimed. For example, Investor’s Business Daily recently declared that the prominence of James Hansen, the NASA researcher who first made climate change a national issue two decades ago, is actually due to the nefarious schemes of - who else? - George Soros.

Which brings us to the biggest reason the right hates Mr. Gore: in his case the smear campaign has failed. He’s taken everything they could throw at him, and emerged more respected, and more credible, than ever. And it drives them crazy.
 
Difference is, Krugman has severe credibility issues, like Micheal Moore and many other leftists, while Coulter doesn't. That is why the left attacks Coulters character, they can't attack her on anything of substance. You really are trying to compare apples to oranges here.
Our reactions are based on the cheap underhanded arguing tactics used by the left, and calling the left what they are based on what their actions. Your reactions seem to be trying to perpetuate the lies of the DNC and your own personal BDS.
 
It doesn't matter. Gore (and, by extension, Krugman) has already been discredited here.

And as far as the Nobel "Peace" Prize, whoopty-doo. So Gore got the same prize that Arafat and Jimmy Carter got. A dubious honor, at best.
 
Difference is, Krugman has severe credibility issues, like Micheal Moore and many other leftists, while Coulter doesn't. That is why the left attacks Coulters character, they can't attack her on anything of substance. You really are trying to compare apples to oranges here.
Our reactions are based on the cheap underhanded arguing tactics used by the left, and calling the left what they are based on what their actions. Your reactions seem to be trying to perpetuate the lies of the DNC and your own personal BDS.
There is no difference at all. Krugman only has a credibility issue with the right because they hate him. To suggest that Coulter has more credibility just demonstrates your own credulity. She twists and distorts facts, takes quotes out of context, all to promote her own point of view. There is little in the way of objective facts in her pieces; they're mostly rhetoric and sarcasm, full of straw men, lacking any real evidence. You only believe she's right because she supports your pre-conceived notions. We're all guilty of it. At least I recognize and admit it. You guys deny it.
 
Does Krugram right opinion pieces that are supposed to include humor?

The only funny thing I've seen from Krugman was the time he tried to debate Bill O'Reilly and was reduced to a stuttering, shivering mess.
 
To suggest that Coulter has more credibility just demonstrates your own credulity. She twists and distorts facts, takes quotes out of context, all to promote her own point of view. There is little in the way of objective facts in her pieces; they're mostly rhetoric and sarcasm, full of straw men, lacking any real evidence.
And yet, throughout all the "crap that gets posted here by Ann Coulter," you've been strangely unable to identify any of these things. Although I will admit to the sarcasm. It's always well placed and effective.

Interesting. It's as if you posted the Krugman piece knowing it was trash, simply so you could use it to start talking about Coulter. You still haven't addressed the substance of our arguments.

To equate Coulter with Krugman is to equate a Mercedes Maybach with the Fred Flinstone mobile. If Krugman is the best counter to Coulter the left has, how pathetic the left really is!
 
And as far as the Nobel "Peace" Prize, whoopty-doo. So Gore got the same prize that Arafat and Jimmy Carter got. A dubious honor, at best.
I agree. A prize awarded to Yasser Arafat becomes irrelevant.

Also, the hatred that the left-wing "crazies" have spewed against President Bush and the hatred some have for Al Gore can't be compared. The attacks President Bush has endured are unprecedented in the annals of American history. I don't think even Thomas Jefferson endured the same embittered hatred leading up to the 1804 presidential election as President Bush has throughout his presidency.

Partly it’s a reaction to what happened in 2000, when the American people chose Mr. Gore but his opponent somehow ended up in the White House.
Here Krugman just makes himself sound like another whiner. The Libs will never get over loosing in 2000. :rolleyes: In fact, Krugman's whole article is nothing but whining.

When National Review decided to name its anti-environmental blog Planet Gore, it was trying to discredit the message as well as the messenger.
That's because Gore's CO2 global warming message is not only unproven, there is scientific data debunking it. Therefore, why not try to discredit it? Liberals just hate it when they're challenged, which is why they want to destroy Rush Limbaugh.
 
There is no difference at all. Krugman only has a credibility issue with the right because they hate him. To suggest that Coulter has more credibility just demonstrates your own credulity. She twists and distorts facts, takes quotes out of context, all to promote her own point of view. There is little in the way of objective facts in her pieces; they're mostly rhetoric and sarcasm, full of straw men, lacking any real evidence. You only believe she's right because she supports your pre-conceived notions. We're all guilty of it. At least I recognize and admit it. You guys deny it.


Little in the way of objective facts? full of straw men? lacking any real evidence? distortion? quotes out of context? You just accurately described Krugman! In fact, you just accurately described the majority of liberal arguments, though you forgot out and out lies. Look at the "phony soldiers" story, you never see anything like that coming from the right. The "religous right" straw man, Trent Lotts remarks on Strom Thurman, Imus, the Duke lacrosse players, blood for oil, Michael Moore and AlGore (tons of examples between those two), Media Matters, MoveOn.org... I could go on. Nothing like that exists on the right. Yes, I hold generally conservative values. The difference between you and me (as well as you and most conservatives) is the sources we are more apt to believe. You are more apt to believe sources purely based on their political ideology (mainly, if they are not conservative). I am more apt to believe sources based on their track record. Conservative sources, like Limbaugh, Coulter, ect. are very credible. Liberal sources have proven themselves not to be. They are both held to the same standard (that of accuracy) and the conservative sources pass it (for the most part); liberal sources, not so much . In addition, conservatives report the story, then comment on it. The liberal sources mix in their commentary to the news story, then claim to be "objective". The problem with cedulity here rests on your shoulders, not mine. You are the one here making broad claims and not backing anything up. You are the one not willing question the religion of man-made global warming. You are the one who consistently refuses to see the forest through the trees. When it comes to Krugman, even fellow liberals in the media attack his credibility. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Krugman#Criticism
Aside from the cheap tactic you employ here, of making broad claims, Coulter, Limbaugh and the like can't be attacked specifically on credibility, because they don't lie or distort. Their credibility is intact. This is why criticisms of them always resort to broad claims and personal attacks. This is the way liberals argue. They can't argue ideas, they simply attack.
 
Guys, I think he's gone. That was a textbook driveby. :shifty:

Where are all the liberals defending their hero Algore?
 

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