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MonsterMark

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Take a look at these two letters and tell me what is wrong with them.

Hint: Why did Nancy Pelosi change the wording and re-sign the documents?

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This is a stunning revelation and may lead one to believe that Nancy Pelosi knew all about Obama NBC problem and didn't want her name on anything that would stipulate that she researched and confirmed his qualifications for President under the Constitution.

I'm sure this flies right over the heads of most but wow, same day, two different documents, that just happen to be about Obama's eligibility to serve as President as defined by the Constitution.

What did Nancy know and when did she know it?
 
This indicates that Bryan probably has a preponderance of evidence that he's holding on to.

You definitely have something there, bud. The only question is, who is going to allow it into a court of law?
 
I see, you've never believed in the authenticity of documents transmitted electronically before since they are easiliy "doctored", and now you want us to believe you with these??

:bowrofl: :bowrofl: :runaway:
 
I see, you've never believed in the authenticity of documents transmitted electronically before since they are easiliy "doctored", and now you want us to believe you with these??

:bowrofl: :bowrofl: :runaway:

Just to be clear, your response is that the documents above are fake or have been tampered?
 
NO, I just want both originals delivered to my doorstep for personal examination before I believe the assertion. :rolleyes:

I'll ask again- do you think that one of those documents are fake?
It's a reasonable enough presumption, I'm just looking for clarity here.

If they weren't fake, do you think that would matter anyway?
 
Dan Rather, call your office. You have a message from Johnny.

Errrrrrrrr...
 
Johnny does have a point, if Obama's Birth Cert shouldn't be trusted since 'it's on a web page and can easily be tampered with', why are these any more reliable, based on those same grounds? At least from Monster's angle.
 
Johnny does have a point, if Obama's Birth Cert shouldn't be trusted since 'it's on a web page and can easily be tampered with', why are these any more reliable, based on those same grounds? At least from Monster's angle.

The claim is not that the document shouldn't be trusted simply because "it's on a web page and can easily be tampered with". The claim is that there is evidence that the COLB Obama presented has been tampered with and that it doesn't give all the information necessary to determine weather or not Obama is a natural born citizen, unlike the official birth certificate. Johnny does not have a point because he is mischaracterizing things to make that "point".

From this article:
What Obama has made available is a Hawaiian “certification of live birth” (emphasis added), not a birth certificate (or what the state calls a “certificate of live birth”). The certification form provides a short, very general attestation of a few facts about the person’s birth: name and sex of the newborn; date and time of birth; city or town of birth, along with the name of the Hawaiian island and the county; the mother’s maiden name and race; the father’s name and race; and the date the certification was filed. This certification is not the same thing as the certificate, which is what I believe we were referring to in the editorial as “the state records that are used to generate birth certificates [sic] when they are requested.”

To the contrary, “the state records” are the certificate. They are used to generate the more limited birth certifications on request. As the Jeffers post shows, these state records are far more detailed. They include, for example, the name of the hospital, institution, or street address where the birth occurred; the full name, age, birthplace, race, and occupation of each parent; the mother’s residential address (and whether that address is within the city or town of birth); the signature of at least one parent (or “informant”) attesting to the accuracy of the information provided; the identity and signature of an attending physician (or other “attendant”) who certifies the occurrence of a live birth at the time and place specified; and the identity and signature of the local registrar who filed the birth record.

Plainly, this is different (additional) information from what is included in the certification. Yet, our editorial says that “several state officials have confirmed that the information in permanent state records is identical to that on the president’s birth certificate [by which we clearly meant ‘certification’],” and that the “director of Hawaii’s health department and the registrar of records each has personally verified that the information on Obama’s birth certificate [i.e., certification] is identical to that in the state’s records, the so-called vault copy.” (Italics mine.)

That misses the point. The information in the certification may be identical as far as it goes to what’s in the complete state records, but there are evidently many more details in the state records than are set forth in the certification. Contrary to the editors’ description, those who want to see the full state record — the certificate or the so-called “vault copy” — are not on a wild-goose chase for a “secondary document cloaked in darkness.” That confuses their motives (which vary) with what they’ve actually requested (which is entirely reasonable). Regardless of why people may want to see the vault copy, what’s been requested is a primary document that is materially more detailed than what Obama has thus far provided.​
 
The claim is not that the document shouldn't be trusted simply because "it's on a web page and can easily be tampered with". The claim is that there is evidence that the COLB Obama presented has been tampered with and that it doesn't give all the information necessary to determine weather or not Obama is a natural born citizen, unlike the official birth certificate. Johnny does not have a point because he is mischaracterizing things to make that "point".
ahh, no. originally was asked for the certificate. when complied with, it was then said to be a forgery for whatever errant reasons, and the bar was raised. and it's continued to be raised until the other side said they are not playing the game any more. now the courts keep striking it down,(throwing it out, whatever) and the dead dog raises it's head again. it's nothing but a waste of time and money.
 
Regardless.
Do you think that the images posted are fabricated or false?
And regardless, even if they were both authentic, would that be of significance?
 
Regardless.
Do you think that the images posted are fabricated or false?
irrelevant. there's nothing stating which one is supposed to be first or altered. were words removed or added? then it's a matter of WHO removed or added.

And regardless, even if they were both authentic, would that be of significance?

irrelevant until the first part can be answered and verified.
 

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