He does it again.
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Bob Hubbard
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Big deal.
I don't like the dude, I never have, but I think this guy couldn't take a crap without someone bitchin about it.
So he bowed in respect too another world leader.
Who really gives a rat's a$$?.
There are alot more serious flaws in this administration than bowing to show respect.
Bob.
I don't like the dude, I never have, but I think this guy couldn't take a crap without someone bitchin about it.
So he bowed in respect too another world leader.
Who really gives a rat's a$$?.
There are alot more serious flaws in this administration than bowing to show respect.
Bob.
fossten
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He's showing subservience, not respect. You shake hands and look a man in the eyes to show respect. At least, that's how we do it in America.
Bob Hubbard
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The man that he is bowing too appears to be of asian desent.
I belive bowing is the custom of asian people so, Mr Obama is indeed showing respect.
Bob.
...first, if you don't think it's significant or troubling that the Commander in Chief of the United States Armed Forces and the person considered leader of the free world bows in deferential respect to world leaders, then we can discuss this.
But don't interject the ridiculous, previously discussed and dismissed claim that it's out of respect to another countries heritage.
1. If that were the case. The other guy would be bowing too.
He's not. The bowing is completely inappropriate.
2. Look how LOW he bows. If you want to pretend that he's paying respect to the custom, then you also have to recognize the meaning of a deep bow and the significance of his head and eyes in relation to the other guy.
You also have to note that he's bowing to Chinese leaders, and hostile leaders while he actively alienating and insulting our Western allies. Did he bow to the queen? She's used to that and it's part of the tradition. No, in fact his wife broke protocol and manhandled her a bit. I was fine with that, I find the concept of "royalty" offensive. But he didn't, a he gave her a crappy ipod as a gift.
I'm not sure what to make of his selective bowing, I don't know what it means to him. But I can tell you that it PROJECTS AMERICAN WEAKNESS IN THE WORLD. And that makes the world less safe.
How'd he greet the Canadian PM?
Flattery is just one arrow Obama likes to use when he thinks it will help him.
Remember he's the "Postmodern" president LOL
And he's launched more drone attacks so far than Bush did in his whole presidency.
Remember he's the "Postmodern" president LOL
And he's launched more drone attacks so far than Bush did in his whole presidency.
Bob Hubbard
Dedicated LVC Member
You are making a mountain out of a mole hill.
As stated above, who gives a rat's a$$ if he bows or not.
The country WILL survive long after the bowing is over, in fact long after this president is nothing but a distant memory.
You really need to get a life.
There are so many more important issues you could comment about like the need to get rolling on this doomed economy for one.
Bob.
Bob
Some conservatives are like neurotic political hypochondriacs
now that the party is out of power.The smallest little thing and they're making a big huge deal out of it like it's a terminal illness or some great insult to tradition or how things were done in the past in "their" america.
The past is the past.
Creativity and imagination is not strong conservative suits.
Their ideas are hey, lets do what worked in the past even though things are different now.
Some people need these things to get worked up over.
You REALLY need to learn how international politics works...
In addition to needing to learn how international politics work, you need to learn the reasoning behind conservative (and liberal) positions before you start making inaccurate generalizations like this. Otherwise you end up looking foolish, uninformed and utterly unaware of the reckless implications of your simplistic and naive rhetoric ...
Instead of approaching this with the mindset of a teenager, maybe you should get informed on the theory behind these issues apply some critical thought and objective analysis to these issues. Turn off the TV, get off the internet and read a book on political theory.
Or have you stopped appreciating "nuance"?
MonsterMark
Dedicated LVC Member
Bob,
I know you think I'm a wing-nut but who cares, I don't.
However, this is one wing-nut that has lost respect for you. (I know, who cares).
Do you see the "asian" man bowing?
No, he is standing erect, hand out in front, looking the other guy in the eye.
The way that it is done in the real world.
When I hand an asian my business card, they will receive it in both hands with a slight gesture. But they know if they want to do business with Americans, a hand shake and look in the eye is the way it goes.
You watch way too many movies.
Btw, asian woman's privates are horizontal too.
KD-
Could you sort of clear up why you posted a picture of Jack - other than it is playoff season in the NBA - and off course the Lakers are favored to win again...
However - about this bowing thing... isn't this is the politics of distraction? (OK, you can hit me with all the 'you should know barbs ) President Obama has gotten Russian President Medvedev to sign a major nuclear arms reduction agreement and Republicans/Right/Fox News are complaining about him bowing to the Chinese president. Looks to me like the critics don’t want anyone to pay attention to arms reduction. The arms treaty has far more long-term importance to American interests than whether or not he bowed. We should focus on the substance and not the silliness of personal gestures.
Oh, you forgot to mention that the logo for the Nuclear Security Summit looks like many Muslim flags... that was all over FoxNews too.
Could you sort of clear up why you posted a picture of Jack - other than it is playoff season in the NBA - and off course the Lakers are favored to win again...
However - about this bowing thing... isn't this is the politics of distraction? (OK, you can hit me with all the 'you should know barbs
) President Obama has gotten Russian President Medvedev to sign a major nuclear arms reduction agreement and Republicans/Right/Fox News are complaining about him bowing to the Chinese president. Looks to me like the critics don’t want anyone to pay attention to arms reduction. The arms treaty has far more long-term importance to American interests than whether or not he bowed. We should focus on the substance and not the silliness of personal gestures.Oh, you forgot to mention that the logo for the Nuclear Security Summit looks like many Muslim flags... that was all over FoxNews too.
Have you seen the movie "The Departed" ? The scene where they're doing an illegal microprocessor deal with the Chinese, Costello keeps reminding the Chinese how we do business "in this country."
I think Obama is a center left pragmatist and conservatives only embarass themselves by trying to make him out as a sinister "socialist" (among the milder name calling) with their paranoid hysteria.
Ron Paul called him a corporatist who couldn't get the votes for the mild socialism of a public option.
Obamacare is good for the insurance companies as it mandates coverage through them. Their stock has gone up and they're not being taken over by the government.
I remember when conservatives got all worked up about Obama taking off his jacket in the oval office and working in a shirt and tie
This to me is "political hypochondria"
Bob Hubbard
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MM says he has lost respect for me.
Geez, I wonder how he would feel if I mentioned that Obama wore a red tie today,when it should be a blue one on Thuirsdays.
Maybe because he wore a red tie today, he will be accused of being a communist.
These words have about as much importance in wortld affairs as the rediculous comments regarding his bowing to a diplomat from an asian country.
Now, if you want to comment about the lack of jobs in the country, this extremely stupid healt care plan jerko signed, the unavoidable tax increase you are all going to get, then that is worthy of discussion, but bowing just isn't among the earth shattering experiences that one needs to be consumed with.
By the way, I will be the first to admit I am a Republican, and damed proud of it.
The last thing I wanted to see was this community activist elevated to the most important position on the face of the earth, but now that he has, I feel it is counter porductive to look around and find miniscule unimportant crap to throw out there in the hopes some idle mind on the internet would run with it.
The man is President for God sake, and we on the opposing side didn't put him there, but the right thing to do is accept it, and work constructively as a group to see that he will not be re re-elected to a second term.
That will be accomplished through diligent effort and keeping a close eye on his agenda, and policies, none of which should involve rediculous comment on the fact that he did, or did not bow to a visiting diplomat.
Bob.
Geez, I wonder how he would feel if I mentioned that Obama wore a red tie today,when it should be a blue one on Thuirsdays.
Maybe because he wore a red tie today, he will be accused of being a communist.
These words have about as much importance in wortld affairs as the rediculous comments regarding his bowing to a diplomat from an asian country.
Now, if you want to comment about the lack of jobs in the country, this extremely stupid healt care plan jerko signed, the unavoidable tax increase you are all going to get, then that is worthy of discussion, but bowing just isn't among the earth shattering experiences that one needs to be consumed with.
By the way, I will be the first to admit I am a Republican, and damed proud of it.
The last thing I wanted to see was this community activist elevated to the most important position on the face of the earth, but now that he has, I feel it is counter porductive to look around and find miniscule unimportant crap to throw out there in the hopes some idle mind on the internet would run with it.
The man is President for God sake, and we on the opposing side didn't put him there, but the right thing to do is accept it, and work constructively as a group to see that he will not be re re-elected to a second term.
That will be accomplished through diligent effort and keeping a close eye on his agenda, and policies, none of which should involve rediculous comment on the fact that he did, or did not bow to a visiting diplomat.
Bob.
And yet, as you have shown time and time again, you are utterly clueless when it comes to the ideological/philosophical points of view at play here. Still you feel comfortable passing judgment on those viewpoints.
That shows that you are either unable or unwilling to apply any critical thought on this subject; instead choosing what you want to believe and then researching things to find a means to rationalize it. That is the way a teenage mind functions.
Never mind that it takes away fundamental liberty and choice in doing that.
Never mind factors like moral hazard or adverse selection that make this bill utterly economically reckless and irresponsible.
Never mind that Obamacare undermines the rule of law.
Just write it off however you see fit. You can believe anything you want if you simply dismiss any opposing view as illegitimate.
This from a man who has demonstrated a pervasive cluelessness in international politics.
Politics is not simply an area for self-expression.
All you have offered are assertions. No reasonable arguments to back up your position. The best you can muster is derision toward certain positions. You should have grown beyond that type of flawed reasoning when you graduated high school.
Bob Hubbard
Dedicated LVC Member
We interupt this thread with breaking news.
The United States has suffered a devistating blow to it's international image when The president was witnessed bowing to a fellow diplomat.
The Asian diplomat said the country will be the embarrasment of the rest of the world, and that sanctions may be in the works to force the President to appologize for his outlandish, embarrasing action.
World leaders are at this very moment meeting at the United Nations in New York to argue for stiff penalties against the United States.
When asked, the recipient of the bow stated he was amused by the presidents actions, but would be in favror of tough sanctions to ward off future behavior by this president, or those who will succeed him.
When we have more to add on this subject, we will return.
We return to your local web page.
Bob.
The United States has suffered a devistating blow to it's international image when The president was witnessed bowing to a fellow diplomat.
The Asian diplomat said the country will be the embarrasment of the rest of the world, and that sanctions may be in the works to force the President to appologize for his outlandish, embarrasing action.
World leaders are at this very moment meeting at the United Nations in New York to argue for stiff penalties against the United States.
When asked, the recipient of the bow stated he was amused by the presidents actions, but would be in favror of tough sanctions to ward off future behavior by this president, or those who will succeed him.
When we have more to add on this subject, we will return.
We return to your local web page.
Bob.
Your snarky attempts to marginalize are losing their subtly.
So, Bush was derided for supposedly "weakening our standing in the world" and had to be replaced (even though that was a questionable analysis at best). But when Obama explicitly, unquestionably and directly weakens our position in the world, it is a mere distraction from more important things?
Appeal to ridicule, also called appeal to mockery, the Horse Laugh, or reductio ad ridiculum (Latin: "reduction to the ridiculous"), is a logical fallacy which presents the opponent's argument in a way that appears ridiculous, often to the extent of creating a straw man of the actual argument.
You might want to check on the other thread to see how this agreement doesn't even come close to weakening our 'world position'.
Marginalizing the right/Republicans/FoxNews - heck it isn't even hard.
This whole bowing thing is an attempt to distract people away from the efforts that this administration is taking to reduce nuclear threats around the world. It is silly. As silly as Bush kissing Saudis... (which was very silly).
So you admit that is what you are attempting to do.
And yet, as you have shown time and time again, you are utterly clueless when it comes to the ideological/philosophical points of view at play here. Still you feel comfortable passing judgment on those viewpoints.
That shows that you are either unable or unwilling to apply any critical thought on this subject; instead choosing what you want to believe and then researching things to find a means to rationalize it. That is the way a teenage mind functions.
Never mind that it takes away fundamental liberty and choice in doing that.
Never mind factors like moral hazard or adverse selection that make this bill utterly economically reckless and irresponsible.
Never mind that Obamacare undermines the rule of law.
Just write it off however you see fit. You can believe anything you want if you simply dismiss any opposing view as illegitimate.
I think you studiously over intellectualize these things.
Fear of the thing is greater than the thing itself.
Obamacare hasn't come to a theater near you yet and you've already panned it.
Laws change with times.
New laws mean new rules.
It isn't hard shag, because they marginalize themselves... All I have to do is sit back and wait for yet another quotable moment.