Healthcare Failed.

[Bob Hubbard]

As with the immigration bill of 2 years ago, this current healthcare bill is dead for this year.
It will follow the route of the immigration bill, and fade into oblivion.
What has brought me too this conclusion?
Simply put, the majority of the american public don't want government inteference in their health care decisions.
The house dems might as well fold up their tents and call it a day.
Bob.

 

[Calabrio]

As with the immigration bill of 2 years ago, this current healthcare bill is dead for this year.
It will follow the route of the immigration bill, and fade into oblivion.
What has brought me too this conclusion?
Simply put, the majority of the american public don't want government inteference in their health care decisions.
The house dems might as well fold up their tents and call it a day.
Bob.

It'd be a mistake to declare victory this early.
The plan as passed in HR3200 won't be passed.
But be very hesitant to accept any kind of "compromise" bill.

The entire thing needs to be defeated and they need to start from scratch, with a genuine public dialog and consensus.

Everyone seems to be forgetting, they tried to rush this legislation through both the House and the Senate before they went on break, before the public had any idea what was in it. That was deliberate. By design. And unforgivable.

Fortunately, it failed.
Only because of the work of the independent media (radio/internet), Fox News fair handling of the issue, and the response of the public pressuring the Republicans and ultimately, the pressure that was exerted on the "blue dog Democrats." The administration and Congressional leadership hadn't counted on that. They fully intended to ram this horrible bill through in another legislative blitzkrieg.

 

[lincolnx2]

It'd be a mistake to declare victory this early.
The plan as passed in HR3200 won't be passed.
But be very hesitant to accept any kind of "compromise" bill.

The entire thing needs to be defeated and they need to start from scratch, with a genuine public dialog and consensus.

Everyone seems to be forgetting, they tried to rush this legislation through both the House and the Senate before they went on break, before the public had any idea what was in it. That was deliberate. By design. And unforgivable.

Fortunately, it failed.
Only because of the work of the independent media (radio/internet), Fox News fair handling of the issue, and the response of the public pressuring the Republicans and ultimately, the pressure that was exerted on the "blue dog Democrats." The administration and Congressional leadership hadn't counted on that. They fully intended to ram this horrible bill through in another legislative blitzkrieg.

I dont think it needs to be brought up again, I disagree with american citizens giving up anymore of our tax dollars, to take care of people who dont want to work and people who have failed to obtain health insurance from employers or former employers.

 

[Calabrio]

I dont think it needs to be brought up again, I disagree with american citizens giving up anymore of our tax dollars, to take care of people who dont want to work and people who have failed to obtain health insurance from employers or former employers.

And it goes beyond that.

If we have a national health care system, what part of our life will be truly free or private. Often, seatbelt laws are excused because "if you get hurt, I'm going to have to pay for your care in taxes!"

So, when all costs are truly shared, what rights will we really have?
"You can't eat that hamburger.. when your heart explodes, I'm going to have to pay for it."

"You can't enjoy that cigar."

"You can't have open track days... if you get in a car accident doing something so reckless, I'm going to have to pay for it...."

Where does it end?

Not to mention the privacy issue of having the government controlling ALL of our health care records. Do you trust government, or those in power? And even if you do now, will you always? I don't, and I won't.

It just goes on and on.

There are great free market options available that will fix the problems we're experiencing. Like so many of the problems we face, they are usually associated with some unintended consequence of government intervention.

YouTube - 8/13/2009 Peter Schiff On FOX Business: Free-Market Health Care?

Peter Schiff is running for Senate in Connecticut, against Chris Dodd.
Let's hope he wins.

 

[fossten]

Now they're talking about a nonprofit 'proxy' organization that will be run by the government.

Effectively the same as the public option.

They never quit and they never learn.

 

[Bob Hubbard]

Schiff feels people should pay for their own health insurance, and at face value, that is basically, a good idea.
The problem is, not everybody makes the kind of money that one would have to put aside to pay for their health insurance.
Sure, the payroll tax would be adjusted as an offset but, what about people who are at, or below the poverty level?
What about seniors who hardly make enough money to eat, let alone pay rent, and all the other expenses working people have.
How do these two groups figure in his plan?
Obviously a payroll tax adjustment isn't going to be enough for most people to purchase health care insurance, not that they would anyway.
This health care issue is not going to be solved in this , or the next session of congress.
It is far to complicated, and those who are drafting proposals practically on a daily basis, need to understand that in a country as deverse as this one, no "one size fits all" program is going to work for everyone.
I think the best policy to follow, is something in line with what Schiff proposed but, something similar to the present medicare system aimed at seniors and low income people.
The problem with restructuring the payrool tax to accomodate the purchase of health insurance is that the government spending on other things would more than likely take a hit due to less monies coming in.
That in itself could be a good thing but, opens up a whole different can of worms.
Another item that is costing the feds, as well as the states, is the cost incurred by illegal immigrants.
With estimates of over 12 million here, and that is an estimate, their presence here is taking it's toll on the states.
This problem needs to be dealt with when considering health care for the nation's people.
They are a drain on the system, and no plausible healthcare system can be put into place without addressing the millions here illegally who partake of the benefits afforded legal citizens.
Bob.

 

[fossten]

Schiff feels people should pay for their own health insurance, and at face value, that is basically, a good idea.
The problem is, not everybody makes the kind of money that one would have to put aside to pay for their health insurance.
Sure, the payroll tax would be adjusted as an offset but, what about people who are at, or below the poverty level?
What about seniors who hardly make enough money to eat, let alone pay rent, and all the other expenses working people have.
How do these two groups figure in his plan?
Obviously a payroll tax adjustment isn't going to be enough for most people to purchase health care insurance, not that they would anyway.
This health care issue is not going to be solved in this , or the next session of congress.
It is far to complicated, and those who are drafting proposals practically on a daily basis, need to understand that in a country as deverse as this one, no "one size fits all" program is going to work for everyone.
I think the best policy to follow, is something in line with what Schiff proposed but, something similar to the present medicare system aimed at seniors and low income people.
The problem with restructuring the payrool tax to accomodate the purchase of health insurance is that the government spending on other things would more than likely take a hit due to less monies coming in.
That in itself could be a good thing but, opens up a whole different can of worms.
Another item that is costing the feds, as well as the states, is the cost incurred by illegal immigrants.
With estimates of over 12 million here, and that is an estimate, their presence here is taking it's toll on the states.
This problem needs to be dealt with when considering health care for the nation's people.
They are a drain on the system, and no plausible healthcare system can be put into place without addressing the millions here illegally who partake of the benefits afforded legal citizens.
Bob.

Policy premiums would be less if the federal government would a) enact meaningful tort reform b) allow interstate competition between insurance companies and c) stop guaranteeing free healthcare to illegal aliens.

The Democrats haven't even considered any of those actions.

 

[Bob Hubbard]

Foss, That is the answer in a nutshell.
I agree with those reforms(not that it matters).
The feds are going to do everything they can to cater to the illegal population.
They want those hispanic votes, and will do whatever it takes to get them, including throwing trillions of dollars of debt on the shoulders of future generations.
Bob.