Hoping to hang on to ticket revenue, municipalities flout the law

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Feeding the Machine: Sandbagging on Speed Limits - Feature

Hoping to hang on to ticket revenue, municipalities flout the law.

BY GEORGE HUNTER, ILLUSTRATION BY SEAN MCCABE
http://www.caranddriver.com/features/10q2/feeding_the_machine_sandbagging_on_speed_limits-feature

Jim Walker admits he was driving faster than the posted 30-mph limit when the cop pulled him over, but he was able to beat the ticket by demonstrating in court that the speed limit, not his driving, was the culprit.

“The judge said he wasn’t happy about it, but he had to throw the ticket out because we proved the speed limit wasn’t legal,” says Walker, 65, of Lexington, Michigan.
Since Congress repealed a national speed-limit law in 1995, states have been increasing limits. So, while state legislatures are voting to up speed limits, local municipalities are reluctant to follow, experts say, because they don’t want to lose the revenue that speeding tickets provide.

In Michigan, most towns have not complied with a four-year-old state law ordering them to reset speed limits according to specific formulas, says one of the state’s top traffic cops. Lt. Gary Megge, head of the Michigan State Police Traffic Services Section, says one of the reasons for this inaction is the revenue raised by those tickets.

“I think money is part of it, and I find it reprehensible that communities aren’t following the law,” Megge says. “In many cases, the problem is the speed limit, not the motorist. Communities have to obey the law, too.”
The state law, Public Act 85 of 2006, compels communities to set limits based on the speed at which 85 percent of drivers are traveling at the time a study is conducted. Limits are also based on the number of driveways or cross streets that intersect a given stretch of road.

If either of those two methods is not used, a 55-mph limit applies by default, except in some cases such as subdivisions or business districts. But because most communities in Michigan have not complied, speed limits throughout the state remain “artificially low,” according to Megge.
“If you’re driving down a road, and it just feels like the speed limit is way too low, it probably is,” Megge says.
The fault, Megge explains, lies with elected officials, not cops. “People don’t become police officers because they want to give out tickets to people who are driving safely,” he adds.
There are glimmers of revolt. After Walker won his case in 2008, he helped another driver get a citation thrown out using the same argument.
“The city appealed, but the judge dismissed the appeal,” Walker says. “He came out and told me he didn’t want to dismiss it, but he had no choice—it was the law.”
Steve Purdy, director of the National Motorists Association’s Michigan chapter, says prosecutors usually  will dismiss tickets challenged under PA 85. “They don’t want to establish a precedent, so they’ll throw out the ticket,” he explains.
And county road commissions in the state of Michigan, which do not collect revenue from speeding tickets, have been more inclined than municipalities to comply with PA 85 on the roadways under their jurisdictions, according to Megge.
Chris Florka, a traffic design technician for the Macomb County Road Commission, which recently increased some speed limits after conducting speed studies in accordance with the state law, says the cost of complying with PA 85 is minimal.
“It’s just a matter of  having your employees go out and conduct the study,” says Florka, who opted to set limits by having a road commission employee gauge traffic speeds with a radar gun.
Michael Kitchen, the police chief of Ferndale, a Detroit suburb, admits the need for revenue was the reason behind his recent decision to step up traffic enforcement. “We have to write more tickets in order to avoid layoffs,” Kitchen says. “I don’t like how this looks to the public at all,:p but the bottom line is: If you obey the speed limit, we won’t give you a ticket.”
However, Kitchen also admits that the 35-mph speed limit on the most heavily driven roadway in Ferndale is likely too low. “That speed limit would probably be 45 mph if they ever did a speed study,” he says.
State police cannot force communities to comply with the public act, according to Megge.
“If a speed limit hasn’t been set properly and someone exceeds it, the driver is in violation of the number on the sign,” Megge says. “But if they’re driving at a speed that’s realistic, do they deserve a $200 fine? Personally, I say they do not. I know if I got a ticket on a road where the speed limit wasn’t set properly, I’d fight it.”

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No it's not because of the money that speed limits are underposted:rolleyes:
Typical of government thwarting the people voting with their foot.
 
Every time I see that big digital sign on the side of the road that tells me how fast I'm going, I floor it.

That's what the municipalities use to gauge the average speed in that area. They then set the posted limit 10 mph below that average, so they can generate revenue.

But here's a question: What if nobody exceeded the speed limit? If you get caught for speeding, and you're going faster than a certain amount over the limit, you get points on your license. If you get too many points, you lose your license. There is a punishment associated with the ticket. Doesn't the punishment serve as a depressant to the revenue? Wouldn't they be better off not threatening to take your license, so you continue to speed and fund the city government?
 
Every time I see that big digital sign on the side of the road that tells me how fast I'm going, I floor it.

That's what the municipalities use to gauge the average speed in that area. They then set the posted limit 10 mph below that average, so they can generate revenue.

But here's a question: What if nobody exceeded the speed limit? If you get caught for speeding, and you're going faster than a certain amount over the limit, you get points on your license. If you get too many points, you lose your license. There is a punishment associated with the ticket. Doesn't the punishment serve as a depressant to the revenue? Wouldn't they be better off not threatening to take your license, so you continue to speed and fund the city government?

I speed up through those speed box recorders too:D
However It's not the average speed of 85% of the drivers but the speed 85% of the drivers are going.
Therefore a 65 in a 35 would be not counted.
People will always be exceeding speed limits especially the typically underposted ones.
If it's merely money and you could just keep paying tickets then the rich would have an unfair advantage over the average person.
I would rather pay 500.00 to have a small ticket and 1000.00- 1500.00 for a large one (non DUI) to go away than go through the hassle of going to court and driving school which I did 4 times in 6 years:( to protect my license.( the instructor got upset when I said the traffic laws were written to protect the weak)

Now that I have my countermeasures other than the laws of physics I can pretty much drive as I please without penalties.:D

In Canada a speeding ticket for going up to 15km over (9 mph used to be 10 before metric:mad:) is a 50.00 no points violation.
You can get a few of those and no points but your insurance will take notice.
 
Taxation through police power. One of the reasons The Forefathers declared independence.

KS
 
I speed up through those speed box recorders too:D
However It's not the average speed of 85% of the drivers but the speed 85% of the drivers are going.
Therefore a 65 in a 35 would be not counted.
People will always be exceeding speed limits especially the typically underposted ones.
If it's merely money and you could just keep paying tickets then the rich would have an unfair advantage over the average person.
I would rather pay 500.00 to have a small ticket and 1000.00- 1500.00 for a large one (non DUI) to go away than go through the hassle of going to court and driving school which I did 4 times in 6 years:( to protect my license.( the instructor got upset when I said the traffic laws were written to protect the weak)

Now that I have my countermeasures other than the laws of physics I can pretty much drive as I please without penalties.:D

In Canada a speeding ticket for going up to 15km over (9 mph used to be 10 before metric:mad:) is a 50.00 no points violation.
You can get a few of those and no points but your insurance will take notice.
That's expensive. I have a lawyer who will go to court for me and get it busted down to 'faulty equipment' and he charges me $90.

And yeah, I drive 9 over or less, don't get tickets. Cops don't bother with small fry like that.
 
That's expensive. I have a lawyer who will go to court for me and get it busted down to 'faulty equipment' and he charges me $90.

And yeah, I drive 9 over or less, don't get tickets. Cops don't bother with small fry like that.

The decision to hire a lawyer depends on the circumstances.
My hypothetical was to make it disappear for that price, not plead it down.
I've taken care of all my tickets myself, having them pleaded down to parking tickets and traffic school as well as 2 that got dismissed because the cops didn't show.
And now I haven't had a ticket in 4 years while my detector and jammer have saved me many times:D
 
Yeah I need to get a detector.

I put a cheap 60.00 radio shack one in the wife's car and the work truck.
They all work, it's just a matter of range and quality of construction.
I would get a 60-120.00 unit if you can't afford the better ones.

My 400.00 V1 has a range of over a mile on a straight road
can see over hills and around curves and catches the reflection if a cop has pulled someone over 1/4 mile up the road.

The laser jammers start at 350.00 and have to be mounted outside the car.

Check out this site for some fun

http://www.guysoflidar.com/
 

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