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I just watched an interview with President Bush with his wife by his side. He was asked point blank about the question in the debate that dealt with homosexuality. He had answered that he didn't know whether it was nature or choice. I now believe that it was an honest answer.

The President was then asked whether he favored civil unions between adults and he said that he was very much in favor of civil unions. When questioned about his view being contrary to the Republican platform he reiterated that all relationships need legal protection.

Here's the rub. When Dick Chney was asked why he didn't do something about gay marriages he said that he worked for the President and followed his leader.

Which one is telling the truth?

So why is it, if the two most powerful men in the world want to have the same legal protections for gay couples as married couples, why haven't they made it happen?
 
Because the majority of the American people do not want it. This subject is on the ballot in many states this election and could be one of the deciding factors. In the states where it has already been voted on, there have been overwhelming majorities opposed to gay marriage. What President Bush said in the debates was that he proposed a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage but left the door open for civil unions. He does not want to see liberal activist judges legislate homosexuality from the bench, subverting the will of the people, as has happened in Masschusetts and California. I support President Bush's stand and I support Vice-President Cheney for supporting his boss on this issue.
 
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Surprise, surprise! Actually, here's a surprise for you. I agree with Bush on this one too! Gay marriage, NO. Civil unions...I can live with them, MAYBE.
I am tired of the whole gay movement myself. I don't think it's natural, and I don't support it. Furthermore, I HATE the way it's become fashionable.
 
Kevin, I am so glad you are voting for Bush.

Here's another lefty classic voiced by Cher at a political rally for an overwhelming crowd of about 150.

"All the gay guys, all my friends, all my gay friends, you guys you have got to vote, alright? Because it would only be a matter of time before you guys would be so screwed, I cannot tell you. Because, you know, the people, like, in the very right wing of this party, of these Republicans, the very very right wing, the Jerry Falwell element, if they get any more power, you guys are going to be living in some state by yourselves. So, I hate scare tactics, but I really believe that that's true."
 
You guys need a reality check. There are gay people in your life every day. Get used to it. They were there thousands of years ago and they will always be part of our lives.

I won't go into a list of great people who contributed so much to what this country is today. I will, however, tell you a sad story.

I had a great aunt that was gay. I never knew it. No one ever talked about it. She was just Aunt " ". She was an accomplished Cardiovascular RN and wrote several textbooks on the subject. As long as I can remember she lived in a duplex. She had a next door neighbor that was a lady police officer. When my aunt moved to a new duplex her neighbor bought the other side of the new place and I still thought nothing of it. Maybe I was blind. I was about 17 at this time.

When my Aunt " " was on her death bed her "duplex-mate" was not not allowed to spend the last precious moments with her life-partner because she was not "family". Even in your mindset you would have to find some tragedy in this moment.

I am exposed to a number of gay people and I will agree that I find the "in your face" attitude disturbing at times. I feel uncomfortable watching "Queer Eye" and like shows but I am sometimes uncomfortable watching hetero couple grope each other in public, too.

This thread was about civil unions. Call it what you want but there needs to be an vehicle to protect the interests of people who share their lives. I sound just like George Bush and Dick Cheney.
 
My wife is an ICU critical care nurse and she says bunk. Gay couples are always allowed to visit. Even in the last moments. In fact it is encouraged. Anything to help a critically ill patient in their final moments is seen as helpful.

Maybe your Aunt was mistreated. Maybe that hospital had a very poor policy. I am sorry for that. I know that my grandma was allowed to stay with her duplex-mate and so was I. I was not family. I have seen too much death and heard about too much death. My wife deals in death daily. So when she says that gay couples are provided access, I believe her. She should know. She's the one that let's them visit up until the last breath. They understand that nobody wants to die alone. It is company policy.
 
Bryan,

I'm glad that the policy has changed in the hospital where your wife works. That's real progress. I am told that that is not always true elsewhere. Especially in strict religeous hospitals.

What about property rights? Why should a household of memories have to pass through probate court to get to the rightful recipient. There also needs to be something that would grant a legal separation so that assets can be divided properly upon the failure of a civil union.

Try to take sex out of the equation. If two people build a life together that has physical assets there should be some means to assert that relationship in a legal, binding contract.

If you cede my point I'll never call it Gay Marriage, ever again.
 
I agree, this death bed argument is way over used. While there may be a few tragic exceptions, I believe human compassion extends well beyond any hospital policy. My brother died with his partner by his side and nobody could have kept him out. Family members would be outraged, patients would be moved to other hospitals, caretakers would be continually fired......it's just not a reality..... IMO
I also don't understand this whole name game playing.....marriage, gay marriage, civil union......what ever you want to call it, the goal is equal rights for couples of the same sex, which the majority seems to accept.
It could never be the SAME as a marriage....hello....they're the same sex!
so what is there to protect and defend? It makes no sense.
If the gay activists and the conservatives weren't so hung up on this 'marriage' word, there would be no issue at all.
 
The Hospital is St. Joe's. Go figure. LOL

Barry, I will be the 1st to state that I don't agree with gay anything for starters. BUT, and this is the big BUT, I also don't care what people of the same sex do in private. The fact that they have insisted on thrusting their behavior upon the general population doesn't sit well with me.

I believe they should have the same rights as far as contracts indicating that they are sharing assets, etc. Where I draw the line is the term marriage. Marriage is between a man and a woman. Has been for eternity. It is the reason God created man and woman in the 1st place. It is the reason that part "A" fits into part "B". It is the way nature intended. If nature wanted us to be asexual like earthworms, that is what we would have gotten. Or we would have gotten both parts. (Now wouldn't that be fun).

So in conclusion, I am in favor of providing some, but not all the benefits of marriage. I can produce study after study that shows that a loving marriage between a man and a woman is by far the best environment in which to raise a child. I won't discuss the troubles I think are obvious when a couple of the same sex tries to raise a child. They are too numerous to mention.
 
What difference does it make? What should it matter what TWO CONSENTING ADULTS DO WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THEIR LIVES? This is my problem with the entire issue. When my Mother died when I was 13, I was sent to L.A. to live with an Uncle of mine, until my Father could get the situation back in Texas togheter. That Summer/Fall of 1985 I learned a lot about life and things aren't exactly what they seem. My Uncle and his partner showed me so much aboout life, and how to get through day-to-day situations, things, unfortunately my Father could not even have had the time to teach me, because at that time he was finishing his tour of service with the USAF and preparing to retire that winter. They had taught me how to speak up for myself, how to know who I am and be the best me I know I can be and my Uncle's partner even taught me how to land an upper-cut punch on someone (to defend myself.) My Uncle and his partner were not some fluffy, foo-foo stereotypes like you'd see on TV.(Uncle H was a Police Officer, his partner was a Mechanic!) They are real men in my eyes. And they have been togheter for 26 years now, MANY YEARS LONGER THAN MOST HETEROSEXUAL COUPLES (today) As I said before, (in another post),I'm not at all gay, but, for 3 months of my life, I was taken care of very well by a gay couple who has and will always have the utmost respect from me.
To be honest, I wish I could hold onto a girlfriend longer than 1/10th the amount of time they had togheter. So what if little Hunter has two daddies or mommies. It happens with many hetero couples too. A good friend of mine's wife (in TX.) left him for another woman and she still got the kids. WE NEED TO GET OVER OUR FEARS AND REALISE THAT THIS IS GOING ON BETWEEN TWO CONSENTING ADULTS,AND IF IT IS A SIN LET THESE PEOPLE AWNSER TO GOD ONLY, WE HAVE NO RIGHT AT ALL TO TELL THESE PEOPLE WHAT THEY CAN OR CANNOT DO WITH THEIR LIVES AS THEY WISH AS LONG AS THEY HURT NO ONE! (We wouldn't like it at all if the tables were turned, so to speak.) Marriage today is such a joke anyways, I never want to marry for that simple fact. And if marriage is to produce children, what about the couples in which one or both partner(s) happen to be infertile? And finally on the adoption thing, many gay/lesbian couples adopt what the "regular" couples seem to reject anyways. WHAT IN THE HELL ARE WE SO SCARED OF??????????
 
Let's not get into the whole religion aspect of things... We'll never get out of it...

My girlfriend's sister is gay, and she is one of the nicest people I know. I don't understand her gay lifestyle, meaning I don't understand why another woman would want to be with another woman, but that does not mean I have the right to force my opinion on her...
 
You're right, I was just trying to cover ALL bases. I agree with your feelings on the whole concept myself, I can't truly understand why either. All I understand is that it's a part of life that happens for whatever reason.
 
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