I could be wrong, but yall are slipping....

[MrWilson]

I dont think i saw anything on here about this, but i could be wrong. Did anyone hear about the insurgants in iraq turning on the terrorists, and aiding us?

 

[TheDude]

I dont think i saw anything on here about this, but i could be wrong. Did anyone hear about the insurgants in iraq turning on the terrorists, and aiding us?

Aren't the insurgents the terrorist?

 

[fossten]

Aren't the insurgents the terrorist?

Ah, SO YOU ADMIT IT!!!

*owned*

 

[TheDude]

Ah, SO YOU ADMIT IT!!!

*owned*

Ok?

 

[barry2952]

Aren't the insurgents the terrorist?

No, certainly not all of them.

What I would call a terrorist is one that comes from another land to inflict damage on a peceived enemy. The insurgents, I believe, in this case are Iraquis that perceive that they are protecting or trying to regain their homeland from what they see as a foreign invader.

I see a huge difference. The insurgents will eventually become part of the political process and the terrorists will not. I can easily see an insurgent turning on a terrorist.

 

[JohnnyBz00LS]

No, certainly not all of them.

What I would call a terrorist is one that comes from another land to inflict damage on a peceived enemy. The insurgents, I believe, in this case are Iraquis that perceive that they are protecting or trying to regain their homeland from what they see as a foreign invader.

I see a huge difference. The insurgents will eventually become part of the political process and the terrorists will not. I can easily see an insurgent turning on a terrorist.

:I

Apparently fossten missed Deville's sarcasm........ which was to point out the inconsistency in the RWW's mantra here. But considering his tendancy to jump to knee-jerk conclusions, twisting other's words to fit his fictitious view of the world, and just plain lack of reading comprehension skills, I'd expect no less.

 

[MAllen82]

So if I decided that I wanted to go back to slave times in the south and thought the government should stop "oppressing" my right to own people, I can go around and blow up restaraunts and whatnought and I'm not a terrorist? You guys should stop looking so hard at the supposed cause of such things. In reality these guys are killing innocent people. Who cares where they are from? What they are doing is wrong. The idea that you can somehow justify what people do by their intentions is totally crazy.


I'd really like someone from the left to answer this question. If I came in the middle of the night and murdered your wife or kid or mother, would you give a damne if I was originally born in Italy or if I'm a native American, or would you just care that some :q:q:q:q:q:q:q just killed someone you love?

 

[MAllen82]

:I

Apparently fossten missed Deville's sarcasm........ which was to point out the inconsistency in the RWW's mantra here. But considering his tendancy to jump to knee-jerk conclusions, twisting other's words to fit his fictitious view of the world, and just plain lack of reading comprehension skills, I'd expect no less.

Because your intelligence and wit bring the discussions here to a whole new level, don't they Johnny?

 

[barry2952]

Like you've added a lot to the discussion.

 

[MAllen82]

well sir, I am not the one attacking people without being provoked. Might I add that there was a time when I would constantly argue points on this board, however I became tired of you and raveneyes always complaining about fossten when you guys, case in point with johnny, are guilty of the same stuff.

But I apologize from deviating from the point of this thread. And now back to your regularly scheduled liberal propoganda. I can't wait to see what op-eds you guys can come up with to support your arguments today!!!!!

I'll tell you what, why don't you address my question from the first post and we'll see how much you can add brother?

 

[barry2952]

So, In your strange opinion the Resistance in France fighting the Nazis in WWII were not freedom fighters, they were terrorists? Why is Iraq any different?

 

[97silverlsc]

In reality these guys are killing innocent people. Who cares where they are from? What they are doing is wrong. The idea that you can somehow justify what people do by their intentions is totally crazy.

WE DID AND ARE KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE IN IRAQ!!!!!!

I'd really like someone from the left to answer this question. If I came in the middle of the night and murdered your wife or kid or mother, would you give a damne if I was originally born in Italy or if I'm a native American, or would you just care that some :q:q:q:q:q:q:q just killed someone you love?

GUESS THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THE INSURGENTS ARE ATTACKING OUR TROOPS!!!!



What makes an american life any more important than someone from any other country?
Why do you RWers think that we are the supreme beings that can do whatever we want, whenever we want without regard for the wants and desires of the rest of the inhabitants of this planet?

 

[MAllen82]

Barry, you are so right to compare the freedom fighters in Iraq to the French resistance. How is it living in a grey world with no color?

Do you not see a distinct difference between setting the Iraqi people free and giving them elections and taking over French with hostility to ALL frenchman and killing off large numbers of them? Your distinguishing abilities are very suspect my friend.

 

[MAllen82]

WE DID AND ARE KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE IN IRAQ!!!!!!



GUESS THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THE INSURGENTS ARE ATTACKING OUR TROOPS!!!!

So I guess they don't care that Saddam was committing genocide? Do they not care about his rape and torture rooms? If we have killed innocent people in Iraq it is not a goal of ours. It is a very unfortunate result of war. These "insurgents" are specifically killing innocent people to make a point. I would hate to have had you on my sports team growing up. You'd be making excuses and accusing our team of committing penalties left and right for no reason.

Neither of you has addressed my question which debunks the whole difference between terrorists and "freedom fighters" according to the left.

Is it why they are murdering innocent people, or just that they ARE murdering innocent people?

 

[FreeFaller]

WE DID AND ARE KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE IN IRAQ!!!!!!



GUESS THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THE INSURGENTS ARE ATTACKING OUR TROOPS!!!!

Well, that's just one of the most disgusting things I've ever read on this forum.

Do you Phil, in your infinate experience and wisdom, have any clue as to the lengths we go to minimize civilian casualties? Do you have any idea how many of our troops have died trying to protect these innocent people whose deaths you are so willing to pin on our armed forces? And don't try to say that you are not blaming the troops but rather blaming the administration. Each rifle, grenade, and bomb has a human being behind it that has split second choices to make (and a lifetime to live with them). Therefore you have blatantly labled each servicemember a murderer. A claim that you have yet to prove you have any right in stating.

Choose your words carefully...your true colors are beginning to show.

 

[barry2952]

I don't see where he said that at all. I think it's clear to all here that none of us blame the soldiers. We've made that clear in the past and it's been made clear here.

We all, as many do, blame BuSh and his cronies for the innocent deaths. The soldiers are under orders to do what they do. Those orders come from the top down.

Let me ask you this Steve. Do you think it was a smart decision to bomb that house in Pakistan? They are clearly our allies in the "War on Terror". We had an agreement with them that we would make them aware of ops like this.

I'm curious as to how you would feel about Mexico sending a drone across the border to kill someone that had threatened their President? Tell me you wouldn't be the first in line to kick some Mexican a$$.

Is this good decision making?

 

[fossten]

No, certainly not all of them.

What I would call a terrorist is one that comes from another land to inflict damage on a peceived enemy. The insurgents, I believe, in this case are Iraquis that perceive that they are protecting or trying to regain their homeland from what they see as a foreign invader.

I see a huge difference. The insurgents will eventually become part of the political process and the terrorists will not. I can easily see an insurgent turning on a terrorist.

I see. So you don't think Timothy McVeigh was a terrorist?

What was he, a FREEDOM FIGHTER in your book?

 

[MonsterMark]

Is this good decision making?

4 top al-qaeda terrorists dead coinciding with Usama asking for a cease fire in Iraq and Afganistan. They always surround themselves with women and children as 'shields' or hide in mosques. So you tell us. Good decision making? Pakistan will get over it. Question is, will you?

 

[TheDude]

4 top al-qaeda terrorists dead coinciding with Usama asking for a cease fire in Iraq and Afganistan. They always surround themselves with women and children as 'shields' or hide in mosques. So you tell us. Good decision making? Pakistan will get over it. Question is, will you?

The 4 dead Al-Qaeda is great news..... But tell that to the families of the women and children killed as a by-product. If it was your wife and kids, would you get over it?

 

[MonsterMark]

The 4 dead Al-Qaeda is great news..... But tell that to the families of the women and children killed as a by-product. If it was your wife and kids, would you get over it?

I wouldn't have my wife and kids shielding and harboring terrorists. That's for sure.

Nobody wants to kill women and children. To say anything else is ..... is....

 

[TheDude]

I wouldn't have my wife and kids shielding and harboring terrorists. That's for sure.

Nobody wants to kill women and children. To say anything else is ..... is....

Fortunately for both of us, we live in a country where we have that choice.

I didn't say wants/wanted..............

 

[MonsterMark]

We have to help Iraq and other countries that are willing to use women and children as shields. e have to help them change their culture where a woman is 'forced' to put her and her kids in harm's way because she has no choice. That is where the problem lies, imho.

 

[FreeFaller]

I don't see where he said that at all. I think it's clear to all here that none of us blame the soldiers. We've made that clear in the past and it's been made clear here.

We all, as many do, blame BuSh and his cronies for the innocent deaths. The soldiers are under orders to do what they do. Those orders come from the top down.

I don't see how you can put an evil face on a politician for innocent deaths but not on the military personnel. You're trying to use the tragic, often unavoidable deaths of civilians to justify you political position. The left wants to villify the current administration but does not understand that there is a human being that has to live with his/her actions. Going on TV and talking about the slaughter of innocents does nothing to help the Servicemember. It only degrades the morale of our fighting men and women whilst bolstering the opposition with percieved justification.

Now, the Law of Armed Conflict specifially states that the defense "I was just following orders" has not and will not absolve the individual of war crimes. Each and every Soldier, Sailor, Airman, Marine and Coast Guardsman knows the difference between a lawful and unlawful order. If told by a superior to fire on a church filled with non-combatants than the unlawful order must be refused according to LOAC and the Geneva Conventions. Failure to do so is in direct violation of LOAC.

Let me ask you this Steve. Do you think it was a smart decision to bomb that house in Pakistan? They are clearly our allies in the "War on Terror". We had an agreement with them that we would make them aware of ops like this.

Seeing what I've seen and knowing what I know? There were or there was supposed to be terrorists in that house. We acted on solid intelligence. Had we not done that and it was later learned that we had a chance to capture someone like the #1 and #2 Al Qaeda guys the left would have jumped all over it stating it as proof that Bush and Company are too incompetent to fight terror.

I'm curious as to how you would feel about Mexico sending a drone across the border to kill someone that had threatened their President? Tell me you wouldn't be the first in line to kick some Mexican a$$.

Is this good decision making?

This is a silly question. It is comparing apples to oranges and you know it.