I have respect for the guy becasue he is a vet but...

[eL eS]

however, I lost a lot of respect for him at the same time.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8657699/

I love this part...

"Unlike John Kerry's loss in Ohio just nine months ago, Paul Hackett's loss to Republican Jean Schmidt in the state's vacant 2nd district is being interpreted as a win for Democrats in some respects."

"AS A WIN"
Yeah maybe if you gauge only on his ability to camaflouge himself as a republican.

Man these folks really do not know if they are scrathing their watch or winding their :q. Wow lay off the kool-aid already. Two losses equal a win.

Further, this guy ads never even painted himself out to be a democrat rather he seemed to obfuscate the fact that he is by using sound bites from the president and then following up with his own comments obviously in hopes of tricking the good citizens of that district. IIRC he did not even tag the end of the add with the typical rep/dem party identifiers. More liberal trickery.

 

[fossten]

"It doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile..."


-Vin Diesel in The Fast and The Furious

 

[JohnnyBz00LS]

Further, this guy ads never even painted himself out to be a democrat rather he seemed to obfuscate the fact that he is by using sound bites from the president and then following up with his own comments obviously in hopes of tricking the good citizens of that district. IIRC he did not even tag the end of the add with the typical rep/dem party identifiers. More liberal trickery.

Those evil liberals are at it again!!

You mean to tell me that the voters in Ohio get confused when they go to the polls, see the "DEMOCRAT" and "REPUBLICAN" labels next the the candidate names and can't figure out which is which??? Tell me it ain't so!! That's NEVER happened before in Ohio!!
:bowrofl:

I never heard of the guy until a couple nights ago on Hardball, he made the bimbo reporter look like a ditz claiming she knew better than he about what was really going on in Iraq after her week-long "press tour" there. :slam Then his opponent Jean SHmIT came on and sounded like a audio playback device frothing the same spewage we've been hearing for the last 3 years from the BuSh administration. SSDD. Nothing new, nothing fresh.

........that Hackett harshly attacked President Bush's conduct of the Iraq war, and voters in this historically conservative, GOP-leaning district didn't appear to penalize him for it, as Schmidt and Republicans urged them to do. Instead, they came closer to electing Hackett than they have come to electing any Democrat to Congress in decades.

The fact that he gave SHmIT the best challenge that red district has seen in decades speaks volumes about how the tides they are a changing. And this is a prime example of "conservitive trickery". People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

CONSERVATIVES = HYPOCRITES :N

 

[eL eS]

Yea the best fight they every seen was a liberal cloaking himself as a republican in his ad campaigns. Listen I am not going to haggle over wheher or not the folks read the fine print on the ballots. The fact is he ran his ads on the coattails of GWB and it is a replican majority in that district and he tried to capitaliz on his veteran stauts and GWB at the same time.

OH and FYI the so called spewag a you cleverly called it happens to be working. It is a good plan it has produced results and I defy any of you kool-aid gilping socilaist darn it I mean liberals be it you or one of your candidates to produce a plan much less a more effective plan.

Your party fails consistently and it fails to se it failure. You guys might as well be driving 150 mph on a wet moutain road because you sure as heck are not seeing the sings.

 

[FreeFaller]

Just being a vet does not make somebody a great/smart/honorable/patriotic idividual...remember, Lee Harvey Oswald was a vet...and he was a piece of crap communist who murdered our President. But instead of just spitting out hate because sombody disagreed with me...I chose to learn about Mr. Hackett.

Mr. Hackett said,

The good news is we can successfully exit Iraq once the roughly 140,000 Iraqi Security Forces (ISF) are adequately trained and skilled enough to defend their fledgling government.

The bad news is they are nowhere near the level of skill to accomplish that mission and are likely years away from that goal.

I know this from fighting alongside Iraqis, and training them. They are simply not ready to defend their country against the insurgents that threaten to destroy Iraq’s future.

No matter what your position on the war, if we pull out now the entire region will spiral into chaos and present our nation and military with a far more difficult challenge than we currently face. I don’t relish the prospect of my two sons going over there in twenty years. We need to get it right, and we need to do it now.

The Iraqi people and government are grateful that we eliminated their brutal dictator. They are capable of running their own government and building a democracy. It won’t look like ours; nor should it. But in order for them to succeed, we must not withdraw our troops before the Iraqis are ready to stand on their own.

:I

There were several other issues besides Iraq that he spoke of and he hardley seemed like an ultra-left wing "give the money to the poor and kick me in the nuts for being successful" liberal. He raised some valid points and proposed his solutions (some of which I agreed with). As a matter of fact, apart from being a lawyer, he seemed like a pretty good guy :biggrin:

I have said it before and I will say it again. I don't vote with the Democrat/Republican buttons. I find the best person to serve me in my government and I vote for them...and from what I've read...I would have given this Mr. Hackett serious consideration. I mean hell, I would have voted for Barack Obama if I would have been an Illinois resident. He just made more sense than that crazy bastard the Republican party was pushing...

 

[FreeFaller]

One more thing...if you outright lie to me and hide your true motives in order to get my vote...I'll fire your a$$. I did it to Gray Davis (Governer of California)...

 

[eL eS]

Just being a vet does not make somebody a great/smart/honorable/patriotic idividual...remember, Lee Harvey Oswald was a vet...and he was a piece of crap communist who murdered our President. But instead of just spitting out hate because sombody disagreed with me...I chose to learn about Mr. Hackett.

Mr. Hackett said,

The good news is we can successfully exit Iraq once the roughly 140,000 Iraqi Security Forces (ISF) are adequately trained and skilled enough to defend their fledgling government.

The bad news is they are nowhere near the level of skill to accomplish that mission and are likely years away from that goal.

I know this from fighting alongside Iraqis, and training them. They are simply not ready to defend their country against the insurgents that threaten to destroy Iraq’s future.

No matter what your position on the war, if we pull out now the entire region will spiral into chaos and present our nation and military with a far more difficult challenge than we currently face. I don’t relish the prospect of my two sons going over there in twenty years. We need to get it right, and we need to do it now.

The Iraqi people and government are grateful that we eliminated their brutal dictator. They are capable of running their own government and building a democracy. It won’t look like ours; nor should it. But in order for them to succeed, we must not withdraw our troops before the Iraqis are ready to stand on their own.

:I

There were several other issues besides Iraq that he spoke of and he hardley seemed like an ultra-left wing "give the money to the poor and kick me in the nuts for being successful" liberal. He raised some valid points and proposed his solutions (some of which I agreed with). As a matter of fact, apart from being a lawyer, he seemed like a pretty good guy :biggrin:

I have said it before and I will say it again. I don't vote with the Democrat/Republican buttons. I find the best person to serve me in my government and I vote for them...and from what I've read...I would have given this Mr. Hackett serious consideration. I mean hell, I would have voted for Barack Obama if I would have been an Illinois resident. He just made more sense than that crazy bastard the Republican party was pushing...

Well said esp in your comments on how you vote. I am a registered independent and I do not identify completely with eith rep/dem. I go with the guy or gal that makes the most sns out ofthe current and not so distant issues.

As far a the ISF, people need to remember that these are people that were beaten and downtrodden and it will take them some time to get the testicular fortitude that this country has had well over 200 years to develop.

If you all will do some reseach in our history you will find out that our very on continental congress paid tribute, aka bribes or ransom, to the very ideological exteremeist we are trying to stop today. Look up Barbary Pirates.

 

[fossten]

Those evil liberals are at it again!!

You mean to tell me that the voters in Ohio get confused when they go to the polls, see the "DEMOCRAT" and "REPUBLICAN" labels next the the candidate names and can't figure out which is which??? Tell me it ain't so!! That's NEVER happened before in Ohio!!
:bowrofl:

I never heard of the guy until a couple nights ago on Hardball, he made the bimbo reporter look like a ditz claiming she knew better than he about what was really going on in Iraq after her week-long "press tour" there. :slam Then his opponent Jean SHmIT came on and sounded like a audio playback device frothing the same spewage we've been hearing for the last 3 years from the BuSh administration. SSDD. Nothing new, nothing fresh.



The fact that he gave SHmIT the best challenge that red district has seen in decades speaks volumes about how the tides they are a changing. And this is a prime example of "conservitive trickery". People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

CONSERVATIVES = HYPOCRITES :N

There you go again, spewing your own party's talking points, i.e. spin. I know you have trouble hearing, so I'm gonna speak loudly.

The Election is Over.

Hackett Lost.

He got beat.

Period.

:N

 

[MonsterMark]

New Democrat Party Strategy

http://www.scrappleface.com/MT/archives/002269.html

After Ohio, Dems Map 50-State 'Virtual Victory' Plan
by Scott Ott

(2005-08-04) -- Encouraged by their close loss in this week's special election for a vacant House seat in Ohio, the Democrat National Committee (DNC) has mapped a 50-state "virtual victory" strategy for 2006 and 2008.

"It feels so good to almost win," said DNC chairman Howard Dean. "We now believe we can rally our base around the hope of down-to-the-wire losses in traditionally Republican districts coast-to-coast."

While the concept of virtual victory is familiar to the party that nearly won the presidency in 2000 and 2004, this is the first time the DNC will stake millions of dollars on advertising explicitly promoting narrow defeats. The ad campaign is tentatively titled "Close Counts."

"People need something to believe in," said Mr. Dean. "And while it's tough to believe that a party with no coherent platform can return to power, most progressives still believe this is the party of the little guy. Of course, the little guy usually loses, but we want our major donors to be able to say, in the words of Maxwell Smart, 'missed it by that much.'"

In related news, America Coming Together, the progressive fundraising group backed by billionaire George Soros which failed to make a difference for Democrats in swing states in 2004, today announced it would disband and form a new, leaner organization with the narrow mission of handling money transfers from wealthy contributors to political strategists and consultants.

"America Coming Together fulfilled that mission in 2004," said Mr. Soros. "As a businessman, I focus on results. So we have moved the goalposts to reflect the results we achieved."

 

[fossten]

http://www.scrappleface.com/MT/archives/002269.html

After Ohio, Dems Map 50-State 'Virtual Victory' Plan
by Scott Ott

(2005-08-04) -- Encouraged by their close loss in this week's special election for a vacant House seat in Ohio, the Democrat National Committee (DNC) has mapped a 50-state "virtual victory" strategy for 2006 and 2008.

"It feels so good to almost win," said DNC chairman Howard Dean. "We now believe we can rally our base around the hope of down-to-the-wire losses in traditionally Republican districts coast-to-coast."

While the concept of virtual victory is familiar to the party that nearly won the presidency in 2000 and 2004, this is the first time the DNC will stake millions of dollars on advertising explicitly promoting narrow defeats. The ad campaign is tentatively titled "Close Counts."

"People need something to believe in," said Mr. Dean. "And while it's tough to believe that a party with no coherent platform can return to power, most progressives still believe this is the party of the little guy. Of course, the little guy usually loses, but we want our major donors to be able to say, in the words of Maxwell Smart, 'missed it by that much.'"

In related news, America Coming Together, the progressive fundraising group backed by billionaire George Soros which failed to make a difference for Democrats in swing states in 2004, today announced it would disband and form a new, leaner organization with the narrow mission of handling money transfers from wealthy contributors to political strategists and consultants.

"America Coming Together fulfilled that mission in 2004," said Mr. Soros. "As a businessman, I focus on results. So we have moved the goalposts to reflect the results we achieved."

:bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl:

 

[Kbob]

That article was brilliant, Bryan! LOL!!

 

[MAllen82]

You know, eventually the libs will only have one alternative. They will try to do the same thing the pansy fruity lefty nuts tried to do to my nephew's soccer league. NO SCORES!!! That why anyone who is a registered democrat doesn't get his o her feelings hurt. I can see it now. We all vote, but we don' count the votes. After the campaigns are over, we just turn the country into a giant fluster cluck reminiscent of a bunch of kids running around kicking a ball aimlessly to no end. You know, soon it may be a hate crime to not vote for lefties, because they have been persecuted by the republicans.

PS. When my sister told me about the league meeting to discuss getting rid of scoring, I personally went with the intentions of kicking the guys a$$ who proposed this, but instead, I argued him to DEATH, ripping apart every argument he had.That'll teach that idiot to ever argue with an Italian. Needless to say, he was kicked out of the league board. HAHA. And on the way home with my nephew and his friends, I played Queen's "Another One Bites the Dust". Victory was beautiful as it always is. But seeing the way the guy shrinked away when I started attacking his logic, I assume he'snever been victorious at anything, and he just wanted company in his misery.

 

[eL eS]

I guess that is why liberals do not win huh... they have no goals. Last time a liberal scored was when slick was in the white house not even certain I would consider that a score. He missed the goal and staind the dress.

 

[eL eS]

http://www.scrappleface.com/MT/archives/002269.html

After Ohio, Dems Map 50-State 'Virtual Victory' Plan
by Scott Ott

(2005-08-04) -- Encouraged by their close loss in this week's special election for a vacant House seat in Ohio, the Democrat National Committee (DNC) has mapped a 50-state "virtual victory" strategy for 2006 and 2008.

"It feels so good to almost win," said DNC chairman Howard Dean. "We now believe we can rally our base around the hope of down-to-the-wire losses in traditionally Republican districts coast-to-coast."

While the concept of virtual victory is familiar to the party that nearly won the presidency in 2000 and 2004, this is the first time the DNC will stake millions of dollars on advertising explicitly promoting narrow defeats. The ad campaign is tentatively titled "Close Counts."

"People need something to believe in," said Mr. Dean. "And while it's tough to believe that a party with no coherent platform can return to power, most progressives still believe this is the party of the little guy. Of course, the little guy usually loses, but we want our major donors to be able to say, in the words of Maxwell Smart, 'missed it by that much.'"

In related news, America Coming Together, the progressive fundraising group backed by billionaire George Soros which failed to make a difference for Democrats in swing states in 2004, today announced it would disband and form a new, leaner organization with the narrow mission of handling money transfers from wealthy contributors to political strategists and consultants.

"America Coming Together fulfilled that mission in 2004," said Mr. Soros. "As a businessman, I focus on results. So we have moved the goalposts to reflect the results we achieved."

Man what a party ! Shew I did I get drunk when I read that just then.

Even my liberal wife got a kick out of this. Ok, first base has now been replaced by home plate, you start out from third, run to home, and pour gatorade all over your liberal team mates. Plus the pither can't pitch that would be toomuch of a partisan move by the opposition. So I think they just swing at the air and run.

 

[fossten]

Man what a party ! Shew I did I get drunk when I read that just then.

Even my liberal wife got a kick out of this. Ok, first base has now been replaced by home plate, you start out from third, run to home, and pour gatorade all over your liberal team mates. Plus the pither can't pitch that would be toomuch of a partisan move by the opposition. So I think they just swing at the air and run.

LOL I bet 'spinning' is a big part of this game tho!

 

[Vitas]

It feels so good to almost win," said DNC chairman Howard Dean.

The morning after the election, after we had been inundated about predictions of the election by the Democratic party the evening before, one of the major network newscasters, I think it may have been the recently deceased Peter Jennings, GRIP, declared that "the liberal party is dead."

That stuff is intriguing when you are a 20 year old kid. Then you grow up.