I Just Dont Know Why?

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i dont know why ford insists on continuing on making diesels, the 7.3 was ok with some easy mods (make it run like it was designed) but the 6.0 was a JOKE and now ford puts all its faith in this new 6.4 twin turbo mess, i mean if they cant figure out a single turbo setup lets try 2 that will make it better........right?
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What the eff is happening there? like what's burning....is there way too much fuel(computer errors) or is it something else.

agreed, they should just hire these guys making the products to fix their trucks(Gale Banks, Bullydog, etc.) to come in and fix the problems in pre-production. It'd prolly be waaay cheaper than the recall and especially the settlement when an F-350 fries some dude's civic in traffic.
 
I don't understand why people give the 6liter Powerstroke such a hard time. Mine's doing just fine. Change the oil often, and it's happy. Ofcourse, such is the human nature. You don't worry about something if it works. You only bitch if it doesn't.

The 6L engine was NEVER meant to be produced past 2007MY. It was an interim engine between the 7.3 and the (at the time in R&D) 6.4L engine.

FORD (and I'm sure all other manufacturers) knew the tighter emission standards were coming around the corner in 08. After the 2003 emissions tightening up, (hence FORD isn't marketing new trucks with the 7.3 anymore), they had to come up with something in the interim. Enter the quickly slapped together 6.0L Powerstroke.

I really think this 6.4L will be FORDs redemption in the light duty diesel truck market. They've spent too much money on it, and even pushed back the release date a couple of times before oficially releasing it. Is it going to have growing pains? Well.. yeah! It's a 1st model year.

Now lets just hope Intrnational and FORD can kiss and make up with this lawsuit they've got going agaqinst each other.

Though, it wouldn't hurt my feelings to see a US sold F series with an Europeean FORD built and marketed diesel... which are cleaner than the US sold diesels.
 
i agree the 6.0 CAN be ok but the biggest prob, is international makes the eng and ford de-tunes it making it more street-able, and doing this causes many probs,what all the diesel tuners do is make it run the way it was designed and its good. we had 8 on our lot and if they sit without being ran for more than a few weeks the valves rust to the heads and they bent all kinds of pushrods, and sounded like that flame thrower in the vid, also fords newest "fix" for the 6.0 in relation to their injector issues is, they believe that all the injectors go bad from people trying to run their diesels at too low of fuel psi while the fuel has gelled, so they will replace your faulty injector one time then after that YOU have to buy a $500 a pillar gauge pod to monitor fuel psi and if it drops you have to add a de-gelling agent till the psi rises, and the best part is if you dont buy the gauge pod setup then ford wont replace your bad injector under warranty.
the ford reps came to our dealership and told us that they had this eng out in the field for over a year (just didnt tell the public) to ensure that there would be no "pop up" surprises with a new eng/new body year and it would be a smooth transition, i guess it was wishful thinking
 
i agree the 6.0 CAN be ok but the biggest prob, is international makes the eng and ford de-tunes it making it more street-able, and doing this causes many probs,what all the diesel tuners do is make it run the way it was designed and its good.

Respectuflly, I disagree with that. A stock 6L if left untouched and taken care of (Oil changes, filters, etc), will outlive a Tuned/modded 6L any day.

The first big problem is the HEUI Fuel system. works great for CAT, don't seem to work well for Ford.

The Second biggest problem is the heads. Too much boost, and the heads start lifting.

I have a street tune done by one of the best diesel tuners out there on my xCal2. Under hard accelleration, yes, it will roast first, second, and chirp third, no questions there. But my EGT's also spike to over 1400F in less than 7 seconds. The commonly accepted magic diesel exhaust temperature in the diesel community is 1350F. Once you go past that for extended periods (read 10+ seconds) you start melting stuff. That is bad. the motor may be detuned, but your premise that detuning the motor makes it more prone to problems is innacurate.

we had 8 on our lot and if they sit without being ran for more than a few weeks the valves rust to the heads and they bent all kinds of pushrods, and sounded like that flame thrower in the vid,

That's funny... I leave my 6L unstarted for months on end. Literally. The longest its' sat was 7 months. I opened the door, popped the hood, reconnected the batteries (I have quite a bit of power draw between the radio, the Stinger flashlight charger, Gauge controller, Cell booster, power inverter, etc), close the hood, get in, cycle the glowplugs twice (if I first start it if its really cold outside), and crank it. Within 4 seconds it's running. Within 1 minute, it's purring like a kitten.

also fords newest "fix" for the 6.0 in relation to their injector issues is, they believe that all the injectors go bad from people trying to run their diesels at too low of fuel psi while the fuel has gelled, so they will replace your faulty injector one time then after that YOU have to buy a $500 a pillar gauge pod to monitor fuel psi and if it drops you have to add a de-gelling agent till the psi rises, and the best part is if you dont buy the gauge pod setup then ford wont replace your bad injector under warranty.

As far as FORD only replacing one injector is complete horse manure. I've had injectors replaced on my 6L. And not just one. All of the injector replacements were under warranty. Minus the $100 Deductible, ofcourse. You're more than welcome to pull an oasis on the VIN and see for yourself. Yes, the injectors can and will fail with too little fuel pressure. No argument from me there. FORD has been pulling out every stop they can to deny warranties on the Powerstroke.

$500 Gauge pod? The 4 Gauge pod is about 80 bucks. A decent gauge is less than $100. The adapter to tap the gauge sender in the fuel bowl test port is about 7 bucks. It's a goofy metric size, so you need a bushing that goes from that metric size to 1/8th Inch NPT. Alternately, you can splurge and get a billet fuel filter bowl cap that has an 1/8th inch tap at the top.

I've ran that truck in -25 degree weather before, with no problems gelling up. I guess it helps to get good diesel from reputable truck stops, and not from gas stations that sell 500 Gallons a month.

the ford reps came to our dealership and told us that they had this eng out in the field for over a year (just didnt tell the public) to ensure that there would be no "pop up" surprises with a new eng/new body year and it would be a smooth transition, i guess it was wishful thinking

The new engine's been under testing for the better part of 2 years. I have a friend of mine who works on the slope in the Oil and Gas industry and he told me of a story about how FORD shipped three 6.4L trucks up there for testing. Within a few months, they were falling apart. Apparently they don't take the cold too well.

The 6L is a patch together job, I won't argue that with you. But as patched up as it is, it's a decent engine. It's no 7.3Liter, that's for sure.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not PowerStroke nuthugger. I'd buy a Cummins powered FORD in a heartbeat. Actually, the current plan is to keep my 03 till the engine blows up, and then ship it to FordCummins in Montana for a Cummins swap... That is, unless Nissan comes out with a 3/4 or 1Ton Titan powered by a Cummins.

But my 6L has pulled a lot of weight, it has taken me 80+ offroad miles from the closest civilization, I have driven it on those roads in below freezing weather, and I've never had second thoughts about venturing that far by myself with the 6L under the hood.
 
There is no comparison between Cummimngs and IH with respect to quality and durablity of product. Too bad Ford went to bed with the wrong outfit, but I am sure cost was the major factor.
 

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