I'm getting out of politics

fossten

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It's been fun, some of the time. I'll probably lurk now and then on the mech side if I need to repair my Mark VIII, but as far as debating politics, I'm finished. It's time to take care of me and my own, and politics isn't the answer. Never has been.

The main thing I've learned from posting here: Dems and Repubs together are destroying this nation from DC. My vote doesn't count, and it never has.

This is my own essay, so there is no link. (In other words, I wrote it myself.) Good luck to the rest of you. Sorry if I stepped on any toes.

The Frog in Boiling Water

It is an old scientific experiment where you place a frog in a pot of boiling water, and he will immediately leap out because of the heat. But if you place a frog in a pot of lukewarm water, he will stay there. Increase the heat gradually, and the frog will eventually boil to death because he will not notice the changing heat.

Americans can be compared to the frog. The water is the government’s attempts to restrain or eliminate our freedoms. In 1775, the British stupidly threw us into boiling water by rapidly imposing numerous taxes on the colonists and then demanding that the colonists surrender all their guns. Americans reacted to this “boiling water” as any frog would, leaping out. Our nation was born out of that British error. If the British had had the foresight to allow the colonists to believe that they were actually free men, and had only incrementally imposed “benevolent” laws and regulations over a period of two hundred years, America would never have been free.

We live in a nation that has gradually seen the increase of governmental power and the decrease of our personal freedoms. It is a zero-sum game. Democrats in general believe that government is the solution to all problems, and Republicans in general believe society can fix its own problems without interference from government. The problem with this dichotomy is NOT that the two sides don’t agree; it is that they often do, and usually on the side of the Democrats, in the form of compromise. The Democrats are the ones responsible for the increase in the temperature being raised, but the Republicans are the party responsible for how gradual it is.

The Republicans are weak. They do not wish to upset the media (which largely sides with the Democrats) nor do they wish to lose their position of power, so instead of fighting against the decrease of freedoms pushed by the Democrats, they agree to smaller, more gradual decreases. The Republicans NEVER fight to REVERSE the decline of freedom, they only agree to slow its descent. Because of this, Americans will never wake up.

If the Republicans wanted to wake up the American people, the most effective action they could take would be to abandon their base and get out of the way of the Democrats. Think about it. Nothing would shake up the American people more than for Democrats in power to pass sweeping radical confiscatory tax and gun laws, more Kelo-type decisions where property is seized, and radical censorship laws designed to squash any dissenting voice in the media or otherwise. Americans would not stand for such a drastic set of actions. We would have a physical revolution on our hands immediately. But thanks to the weak, complicit Republicans, this will never happen, because they are (perhaps unwittingly) contributing their part to this disastrous play. Remember, the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

Do not get excited about the next candidate for the Republican party in ’08. Neither Newt Gingrich, nor Fred Thompson, nor Duncan Hunter, and especially not Mitt Romney or Giuliani, will actively seek to reverse the uncountable numbers of laws already on the books and continuing to increase. From 2000-2006, a Republican President and Congress not only failed to reverse the trend, but actually accelerated it with the PATRIOT Act and the Dept. of Homeland Security.

The bottom line here is that the government itself, whether Republican or Democrat, is not interested in our well-being. It is not interested in increasing our personal freedoms; in fact, the opposite is true. There will be no effort to reverse the trend. Americans will slowly “boil to death” thanks to the concerted actions of Democrats and Republicans, together guaranteeing our enslavement to big government.
 
The main thing I've learned from posting here: Dems and Repubs together are destroying this nation from DC. My vote doesn't count, and it never has..


I agree completely with this statement. Thats the problem with GW, and its the same problem I think Hillary would bring, in reverse. People either love them or hate them, there is no middle ground. They cause the country to be divided because there is no middle ground. Nobody runs around saying GW is 'ok' - its either love or hate.

And thats why your vote doesnt count. Its cancelled out by mine. My vote doesnt count for much either. There is too much of that today, and exactly why Hillary would be a bad president IMO.
 
Nobody runs around saying GW is 'ok' - its either love or hate.

People hate Bush because of the MSM and the Internet.

Let's face it, Bush is the 1st President to serve under the eyeglass of the Internet. He has been hammered like no other President in history and will, after time, go down as one of our best.

But the Internet, coupled with the misleading and biased MSM has created this atmosphere of hate. It is part and parcel of libs to hate, to be condescending, to be hypocritical and to be judgemental. Everything they accuse the other side of being. It is called deflection.

A third party needs to emerge. It is called the Silent Majority Party. Strong grass roots efforts will be needed to make it emerge as a force in American politics. SMP is neither Democrat or Republican. It is American and will be led by people that want to restore America.

Fossten calls it a slow boil. I call it the beginnings of a revolution. A civil war. Left vs right or more correctly, wrong vs right.
 
:waving: don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out.......

fossten said:
From 2000-2006, a Republican President and Congress not only failed to reverse the trend, but actually accelerated it with the PATRIOT Act and the Dept. of Homeland Security.

Too bad you've kept that sentiment for your parting remarks, it's about the only sane thing I've heard you say.
 
...but as far as debating politics, I'm finished.
Hey, once you're in, there's no gettin' out.

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Ya, David seems to have forgotten that this is the LvC.

"Hey, whaddya gonna do, nice college boy, eh? Didn't want to get mixed up in the Family business, huh? Now you wanna gun down a police captain. Why? Because he slapped ya in the face a little bit? Hah? What do you think this is the Army, where you shoot 'em a mile away? You've gotta get up close like this and - bada-BING! - you blow their brains all over your nice Ivy League suit. C'mere..."
- Sonny from the Godfather.

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That was a damn decent essay Fosston, didn't really understand your switched position on 'Homeland Security' and the 'Patriot Act' as you've defended both in years past; things change I guess.

I for one, am sad to see LVC's resident religious-conservative nutjob leave.
 
People hate Bush because of the MSM and the Internet.

Let's face it, Bush is the 1st President to serve under the eyeglass of the Internet. He has been hammered like no other President in history and will, after time, go down as one of our best.

I gotta disagree. Clinton had plenty of internet influence and he got hammered pretty good on a few issues, and one staff intern slut got famous.

I will say this. GW is the first President in a long time to have to deal with a bloody war. There is a whole generation that didnt have to deal with Vietnam except in history books.

Many people Blame GW, right or wrong, for getting us into the war on false pretenses. THAT, coupled with the PERCEIVED lack of positive progress in the war during the last 4 years is part of why people are so adamantly against him. You go back to Gulf War I and that wasnt a bloody war. Our advances were clear and distinguishable. Today, its almost immeasurable. All the people can really see is that our servicemen keep dying and getting injured. Its not like - we lost 40 soldiers today, but captured town "X".
 
I gotta disagree. Clinton had plenty of internet influence and he got hammered pretty good on a few issues, and one staff intern slut got famous.
Be serious. In 1992, how many of us had internet access? Broadband connections? And even at the end of his term, it was still a new technology for most people. It's entirely different right now. People have better access to the web, and other people have learned to better utilize it as a political tool.

Clinton was given a pass in the main stream press, it was a love affair. The Lewinski scandal only had legs because A. It was associated with the impeachment. B. It was a tabloid story involving sex, lies, and consequences. But none of the serious things his administration did, especially regarding fund raising, were ever reported in by Brockaw, Jennings, Rather, or on 60 minutes.
 
Hoping? No. But I will be prepared if it DOES come.

Honestly, what you do see happening? The country being split; Conservatives battling Liberals in the streets? North vs. South Part Two? What about the moderates, will they have to choose a side or will it be a three side battle royal?
 
I certainly dont see that anytime in the near future. But the contry is split. Notice how many issues are like that. Just a few off the top of my head:

Gun Control
Abortion
Iraq

The vast majority of people have a strong opinion on these matters one way or the other. There isnt alot of middle ground / moderate ground. There isnt alot of room for the "well, I can live with that" kinda position where neither side is completely happy, but they can live with the negotiatiated position.

Its the same with GW and I suspect would be the same with Hillary. You wither love them or you cant stand them.

So where do we go from here? I dont know.
 
Its the same with GW and I suspect would be the same with Hillary. You wither love them or you cant stand them.

You keep saying that. When G.W. Bush ran, he wasn't a divisive character. When he was governor of Texas, he wasn't divisive. He was re-elected overwhelmingly.

This "division" you see isn't the product of George W. Bush. A man who extended every conceivable olive branch he could to the Democrats after becoming President. The division is the result of the relentless assault on him, his administration, and his character by the Democrat Party and their willing accomplices in the main stream media.

He didn't start out like that, and it certainly wasn't because he's been a hard-right wing conservative President. He's been targeted, vilified, and relentless attacked.

Read this story, from CNN, after his re-election in 1998:
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/11/03/election/governors/texas/

Texas Gov. George W. Bush wins in landslide

(AllPolitics, November 3) -- George W. Bush ran away with the Texas governor's race Tuesday to defeat his Democrat rival, Garry Mauro, marking the first time an incumbent has retained the seat in nearly 25 years.

Bush made strong inroads within typically reliable Democratic groups, including 21 percent of the vote among African-Americans.

The win, coupled with his brother Jeb Bush's victory in Florida, makes this the first time siblings have governed at the same time since Nelson and Winthrop Rockefeller ran New York and Arkansas in the 1970s.

Bush's chief concern in the final days of the campaign was that his supporters would look so confidently at his huge lead in the polls that they would not bother to vote.

Before a single ballot was cast, analysts said Bush would become the first Texas governor in a quarter of a century to be re-elected to consecutive terms. The only real question was: Would the baseball team executive and former oil and gas company executive run for president in the year 2000?

Logistically, Bush's campaign against Democrat land commissioner Mauro had the feel of a presidential bid. Bush is the son of former President George Bush. Beyond the golden Rolodex that comes with the Bush name, the governor's operation was a well-oiled machine that, given the odds in this race, looked like piling on.

Mauro, with two decades of experience in Democratic politics, had trouble getting enough money to get his message out about lowering auto insurance rates and eliminating the car tax. He also attacked Bush for not giving teachers a pay raise to get their salaries up to the national average so good instructors would stay in the classrooms.

Bush touted himself as a fiscal conservative and his campaign staff pointed out millions of dollars of consumer tax cuts in the state budget for 1999.

Texas is traditional Republican territory. Nearly half of the state's votes are cast in the two large metro areas of Dallas and Fort Worth.

Bush was predicted to win with the 20 percent to 25 percent of the Hispanic vote that Republican candidates usually get. But Bush wanted 40 percent. He has fought against English-only campaigns and pushed other programs important to Texas' Hispanic voters. Bush said his efforts were not just about putting a new face on the Republican party -- it was about bringing new faces into the party.

"People want leadership that unites, not divides. You can't bash people and lead," Bush said. His style is to set out his position in a soothing manner then lambast what he regards as the failed liberal culture of his own generation.

Some political analysts predicted Bush's momentum and coattails could cause Democrats to lose every statewide office on the ballot. That would give the GOP a great impact on the casting of Texas' 32 electoral votes in the presidential race in 2000. Texas ranks third, after California's 54 and New York's 33 electoral votes. It also gives the GOP a great position to be in for the redistricting after the new census.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.
 

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