Incompitent Bush administration diluted loan rules before crash

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http://apnews.excite.com/article/20081201/D94PSEJ81.html
By MATT APUZZO

WASHINGTON (AP) - The Bush administration backed off proposed crackdowns on no-money-down, interest-only mortgages years before the economy collapsed, buckling to pressure from some of the same banks that have now failed. It ignored remarkably prescient warnings that foretold the financial meltdown, according to an Associated Press review of regulatory documents.


"Expect fallout, expect foreclosures, expect horror stories," California mortgage lender Paris Welch wrote to U.S. regulators in January 2006, about one year before the housing implosion cost her a job.
Bowing to aggressive lobbying - along with assurances from banks that the troubled mortgages were OK - regulators delayed action for nearly one year. By the time new rules were released late in 2006, the toughest of the proposed provisions were gone and the meltdown was under way. "These mortgages have been considered more safe and sound for portfolio lenders than many fixed rate mortgages," David Schneider, home loan president of Washington Mutual, told federal regulators in early 2006. Two years later, WaMu became the largest bank failure in U.S. history.

The administration's blind eye to the impending crisis is emblematic of its governing philosophy, which trusted market forces and discounted the value of government intervention in the economy. Its belief ironically has ushered in the most massive government intervention since the 1930s.

Many of the banks that fought to undermine the proposals by some regulators are now either out of business or accepting billions in federal aid to recover from a mortgage crisis they insisted would never come. Many executives remain in high-paying jobs, even after their assurances were proved false.
In 2005, faced with ominous signs the housing market was in jeopardy, bank regulators proposed new guidelines for banks writing risky loans. Today, in the midst of the worst housing recession in a generation, the proposal reads like a list of what-ifs:
_Regulators told bankers exotic mortgages were often inappropriate for buyers with bad credit.
_Banks would have been required to increase efforts to verify that buyers actually had jobs and could afford houses.
_Regulators proposed a cap on risky mortgages so a string of defaults wouldn't be crippling.
_Banks that bundled and sold mortgages were told to be sure investors knew exactly what they were buying.
_Regulators urged banks to help buyers make responsible decisions and clearly advise them that interest rates might skyrocket and huge payments might be due sooner than expected.
Those proposals all were stripped from the final rules. None required congressional approval or the president's signature.
"In hindsight, it was spot on," said Jeffrey Brown, a former top official at the Office of Comptroller of the Currency, one of the first agencies to raise concerns about risky lending.
Federal regulators were especially concerned about mortgages known as "option ARMs," which allow borrowers to make payments so low that mortgage debt actually increases every month. But banking executives accused the government of overreacting.
Bankers said such loans might be risky when approved with no money down or without ensuring buyers have jobs but such risk could be managed without government intervention.
"An open market will mean that different institutions will develop different methodologies for achieving this goal," Joseph Polizzotto, counsel to now-bankrupt Lehman Brothers, told U.S. regulators in a March 2006.
Countrywide Financial Corp., at the time the nation's largest mortgage lender, agreed. The proposal "appears excessive and will inhibit future innovation in the marketplace," said Mary Jane Seebach, managing director of public affairs.
One of the most contested rules said that before banks purchase mortgages from brokers, they should verify the process to ensure buyers could afford their homes. Some bankers now blame much of the housing crisis on brokers who wrote fraudulent, predatory loans. But in 2006, banks said they shouldn't have to double-check the brokers.
"It is not our role to be the regulator for the third-party lenders," wrote Ruthann Melbourne, chief risk officer of IndyMac Bank.
California-based IndyMac also criticized regulators for not recognizing the track record of interest-only loans and option ARMs, which accounted for 70 percent of IndyMac's 2005 mortgage portfolio. This summer, the government seized IndyMac and will pay an estimated $9 billion to ensure customers don't lose their deposits.
Last week, Downey Savings joined the growing list of failed banks. The problem: About 52 percent of its mortgage portfolio was tied up in risky option ARMs, which in 2006 Downey insisted were safe - maybe even safer than traditional 30-year mortgages.
"To conclude that 'nontraditional' equates to higher risk does not appropriately balance risk and compensating factors of these products," said Lillian Gavin, the bank's chief credit officer.
At least some regulators didn't buy it. The comptroller of the currency, John C. Dugan, was among the first to sound the alarm in mid-2005. Speaking to a consumer advocacy group, Dugan painted a troublesome picture of option-ARM lending. Many buyers, particularly those with bad credit, would soon be unable to afford their payments, he said. And if housing prices declined, homeowners wouldn't even be able to sell their way out of the mess.
It sounded simple, but "people kind of looked at us regulators as old-fashioned," said Brown, the agency's former deputy comptroller.
Diane Casey-Landry, of the American Bankers Association, said the industry feared a two-tiered system in which banks had to follow rules that mortgage brokers did not. She said opposition was based on the banks' best information.
"You're looking at a decline in real estate values that was never contemplated," she said.
Some saw problems coming. Community groups and even some in the mortgage business, like Welch, warned regulators not to ease their rules.
"We expect to see a huge increase in defaults, delinquencies and foreclosures as a result of the over selling of these products," Kevin Stein, associate director of the California Reinvestment Coalition, wrote to regulators in 2006. The group advocates on housing and banking issues for low-income and minority residents.
The government's banking agencies spent nearly a year debating the rules, which required unanimous agreement among the OCC, Federal Deposit Insurance Corp., Federal Reserve, and the Office of Thrift Supervision - agencies that sometimes don't agree.
The Fed, for instance, was reluctant under Alan Greenspan to heavily regulate lending. Similarly, the Office of Thrift Supervision, an arm of the Treasury Department that regulated many in the subprime mortgage market, worried that restricting certain mortgages would hurt banks and consumers.
Grovetta Gardineer, OTS managing director for corporate and international activities, said the 2005 proposal "attempted to send an alarm bell that these products are bad." After hearing from banks, she said, regulators were persuaded that the loans themselves were not problematic as long as banks managed the risk. She disputes the notion that the rules were weakened.
In the past year, with Congress scrambling to stanch the bleeding in the financial industry, regulators have tightened rules on risky mortgages. Congress is considering further tightening, including some of the same proposals abandoned years ago.

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Bush's "leadership" will be his lasting legacy here at home.
I suppose Bush relied on his personal faith and in his certitude just ignored the bad news and advice from people who knew better.
Typical of his presidency in general.
Never mind the facts, faith and gut feeling is more important when making critical decisions.
Goodby and good riddance.
 
This article is an editorial disguised as a news story. Furthermore, it sensationalizes Bush's name while actually presenting evidence of only regulatory problems. There is no smoking gun in this story that points to Bush or any action he took or refused to take.

It is well known that Bush himself pushed to fix lending problems a few years ago.
 
The smoking gun could be

The administration's blind eye to the impending crisis is emblematic of its governing philosophy, which trusted market forces and discounted the value of government intervention in the economy.

There's plenty of blame all around-democrat, republican, and the private sector.
Nobody wanted to burst the bubble.
This is a general human failing of vice and virtue.
We have seen the enemy, and it is us.
 
The smoking gun could be

The administration's blind eye to the impending crisis is emblematic of its governing philosophy, which trusted market forces and discounted the value of government intervention in the economy.

What "blind eye"? He was calling for tighter restrictions in this area. It was the Democrats in the legislature that stood in the way of that. You are trying to make broad generalizations about Bush that are countered by the specifics.
 
What "blind eye"? He was calling for tighter restrictions in this area. It was the Democrats in the legislature that stood in the way of that. You are trying to make broad generalizations about Bush that are countered by the specifics.

:bsflag: The wheels for the collapse were set in motion BEFORE the democratic majority was even elected in LATE 2006......

WASHINGTON (AP) - The Bush administration backed off proposed crackdowns on no-money-down, interest-only mortgages years before the economy collapsed, buckling to pressure from some of the same banks that have now failed. It ignored remarkably prescient warnings that foretold the financial meltdown, according to an Associated Press review of regulatory documents.


"Expect fallout, expect foreclosures, expect horror stories," California mortgage lender Paris Welch wrote to U.S. regulators in January 2006, about one year before the housing implosion cost her a job.
Bowing to aggressive lobbying - along with assurances from banks that the troubled mortgages were OK - regulators delayed action for nearly one year. By the time new rules were released late in 2006, the toughest of the proposed provisions were gone and the meltdown was under way. "These mortgages have been considered more safe and sound for portfolio lenders than many fixed rate mortgages," David Schneider, home loan president of Washington Mutual, told federal regulators in early 2006. Two years later, WaMu became the largest bank failure in U.S. history.

BuSh may have made symbolic moves towards tougher regulations, but they were simply weak and spineless like the rest of his administration.
 
Tougher regulation, in response, to government regulation/intervention.
These debates always fail to note that the regulation was needed in response to the reaction of further regulation.

I'd argue that we'd all have been better had the government just stayed the hell out of the mess from the beginning.

Government involvement, regulation, micromanagement, and influence is at the heart of all these problems. And the more power we send to D.C., the more corruptible everything becomes. Centralized power in the hands of a few.
 
BuSh may have made symbolic moves towards tougher regulations, but they were simply weak and spineless like the rest of his administration.

The incompetence of the Bush administration was generally revealed by their disgraceful handling of hurricaine Katrina.

When the richest greatest country in the world can't quickly and adequately respond to a natural disaster within it's own borders it says a lot about the weakness of the leadership.

Regarding the mortgage bubble Bush just deferred to his banking business advisors who said everything was fine, and IMO no great thinker, who was he to know better.
 
:bsflag: The wheels for the collapse were set in motion BEFORE the democratic majority was even elected in LATE 2006......

When did I say a damn thing about it being the dem majority congress?! I said the dems in the legislature. Your ignorance and presumptiveness knows no bounds, it seems.

How about attacking me for something I did say and not a distortion of it. But, if you did that, you would not be able to post anything because all you ever offer to this forum is distortion, smears and lies.

You are right, the wheels for the collapse were put in place well before 2006. Specifically under Carter and strengthened under Clinton. Can you say Community Reinvestment Act?

BuSh may have made symbolic moves towards tougher regulations, but they were simply weak and spineless like the rest of his administration.

What power does the president have when it comes to regulation on this? That power is constitutionally vested in the legislature.

How about you learn the way the government works and where the powers come from before you take a foolish and ignorant stance on anything.
 
The incompetence of the Bush administration was generally revealed by their disgraceful handling of hurricaine Katrina.

When the richest greatest country in the world can't quickly and adequately respond to a natural disaster within it's own borders it says a lot about the weakness of the leadership.

It seems that you need to learn how the government works as well. Ignorance is truely bliss it seems.

The federal government is not set up to respond quickly to disasters of this nature. That is the place of the local and state governments. Only after a request is made by the local and state governments does the federal government come in. If anything, the Katrina thing says a lot about the political leadership in Louisiana and New Orleans specifically. While the MSM and pop culture want to blame Bush on this (and only echo that in an effort to make it true), it is logically absurd to try and blame Bush on this.

Regarding the mortgage bubble Bush just deferred to his banking business advisors who said everything was fine, and IMO no great thinker, who was he to know better.

Again, BUSH WAS CALLING FOR TOUGHER REGULATION AND SAW THIS PROBLEM LONG BEFORE IT BLEW UP!!!!!!!! Stop spouting lies and speculating on them when the facts that have been pointed out IN THIS THREAD disprove your ignorant view.
 
It seems that you need to learn how the government works as well. Ignorance is truely bliss it seems.

The federal government is not set up to respond quickly to disasters of this nature. That is the place of the local and state governments. Only after a request is made by the local and state governments does the federal government come in. If anything, the Katrina thing says a lot about the political leadership in Louisiana and New Orleans specifically. While the MSM and pop culture want to blame Bush on this (and only echo that in an effort to make it true), it is logically absurd to try and blame Bush on this.

As president Bush could have siezed the moment and shown some leadership here since it was obviously lacking on the state level.
The disaster overwhelmed what Louisiana could have done on it's own.
He's commander in chief and could have quickly mobilized the National Guard
and the huge US military in a rescue effort despite it not being the federal government's turf.
He missed a great opportunity to shore up his tarnished prestige by not rising to the challenge.
IMO a great leader would have responded more effectively for his own and the public good.
 
Again, BUSH WAS CALLING FOR TOUGHER REGULATION AND SAW THIS PROBLEM LONG BEFORE IT BLEW UP!!!!!!!! Stop spouting lies and speculating on them when the facts that have been pointed out IN THIS THREAD disprove your ignorant view.

Well I guess he wasn't calling hard enough for the tougher regulations since they never were put in place.
If he had been a more forceful leader maybe he could have had his way and this crisis could have been neutralized or diffused before it ever occurred.
This crash happened near the end of his 8 year watch and although his administration didn't set this ball rolling, they did nothing when the warnings started that a great catastrophe was coming.
 
As president Bush could have siezed the moment and shown some leadership here since it was obviously lacking on the state level.
The disaster overwhelmed what Louisiana could have done on it's own.
He's commander in chief and could have quickly mobilized the National Guard
and the huge US military in a rescue effort despite it not being the federal government's turf.
He missed a great opportunity to shore up his tarnished prestige by not rising to the challenge.
IMO a great leader would have responded more effectively for his own and the public good.
Um, it's really easy for you to say such irresponsible things from Canada.

If Bush had immediately overridden the Governor's and the Mayor's authority, cheap-seaters like you would have called him a dictator.

The fact is that Bush called the governor and asked her if she wanted federal help, and she refused.

For three days.

But this has been covered in an older topic.

Seems that peanut gallery types like you are either forgetful or hard headed. Either way, you don't pay attention. That's why you're so often tripped up by facts.
 
Um, it's really easy for you to say such irresponsible things from Canada.

If Bush had immediately overridden the Governor's and the Mayor's authority, cheap-seaters like you would have called him a dictator.

The fact is that Bush called the governor and asked her if she wanted federal help, and she refused.

For three days.

But this has been covered in an older topic.

Seems that peanut gallery types like you are either forgetful or hard headed. Either way, you don't pay attention. That's why you're so often tripped up by facts.

Even after the 3 days the response should have been
more aggressive.
You can't say Bush couldn't have done better.
Funny, my avatar says I'm in Buffalo.
You can resort to calling me names if you like.
You took the election almost personally.
Well Bush's time is almost up.
The good news (for me) is that Chambliss won the Georgia senate race and so the democrats will not have a filibuster proof senate.
Hopefully that will keep Card Check in check(no pun intended)
 
Even after the 3 days the response should have been
more aggressive.
You can't say Bush couldn't have done better.
Funny, my avatar says I'm in Buffalo.
You can resort to calling me names if you like.
You took the election almost personally.
Well Bush's time is almost up.
The good news (for me) is that Chambliss won the Georgia senate race and so the democrats will not have a filibuster proof senate.
Hopefully that will keep Card Check in check(no pun intended)
You've mentioned living in Canada before.

You can't say one thing Bush should have done that wouldn't have gotten him in trouble another way. He was in a no win situation.

Every freaking bad weather situation is not the President's responsibility to fix, else why bother having governors and mayors?

If you think some of the more liberal RINOs won't be talked into voting with the Dems on certain issues, you're totally naive.

And yes, this election will result in many of my rights being taken away. How is that not personal?
 
I'm originally from Toronto but have lived in the US for the past 15 years.
The american market called out for clever engineers and business people with a good product so we moved our manufacturing plant to Buffalo.
We actually manufacture finished goods from raw materials in America for the american market.
I suppose that makes us part of the good guys, creating many good jobs, generating millions of dollars in revenues and taxes and going against the tide of a shrinking US manufacturing base.

If the democrats had won a filibuster proof senate Card Check would be a foregone conclusion.
Hopefully Al Franken will lose the automatic recount so the democrats will have only 58 seats.
Even if Card Check passes which I think is unlikely at least until the economy recovers, we treat our workers well and the majority will not want to unionize
especially the guys on piece work(anathema to union slackers) that make great money for semi skilled labor.

By saying that many of your rights will be taken away as a result of this election do you mean it will actually make a negative change in your lifestyle.

Are you going to have to look over your shoulder and/or curtail your free speech or other activities you are currently comfortable with.

I suppose only time will tell.
 
By saying that many of your rights will be taken away as a result of this election do you mean it will actually make a negative change in your lifestyle.

Are you going to have to look over your shoulder and/or curtail your free speech or other activities you are currently comfortable with.

I suppose only time will tell.
Free speech, yes, will be curtailed. My right to own a gun will be infringed. My right to pursue happiness will be curtailed. My liberty will be reduced.
 

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