Is a drug user committing the same criminal act as a drug pusher?

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My wife is of the opinion that a drug user is as guilty as a drug pusher because there would be no supply if there is no demand. She believes the punishment should be the same for both.

I contend that with no supply there would be no drug use therefore no criminal act would have been committed.

What do you think?
 
a pusher is worse because he is supplying the drug. however, arguing who is worse is like arguing whcih serial murderer is worse, the one who killed 20 people or the one who killed 21 people. They are both criminals and both should be punished.
 
And a "pusher" is worse than a user.
A pusher often does his best to entice and trap someone into using their cycle of dependency.
 
I hate users AND pushers. Both should be punished to the maximun extent. Drugs cause FAR too many problems in America today...
 
evillally said:
I hate users AND pushers. Both should be punished to the maximun extent. Drugs cause FAR too many problems in America today...
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I agree. Pharmicutical companies should be banned from pushing their drugs onto the public via TV commercials!!!

Having said that, lets talk about illegal drugs. The only "crime" the "user" (and lets assume they are an addicted user for the moment) has committed is being stupid enough to allow themselves to become addicted to the drug. The victim is themselves. No one else is directly physically harmed by their actions. Whereas the "pusher" is the enabler for the addict. Their "crime" results in physical harm to the addicted person. MUCH WORSE IMO.
 
it matters how big of a pusher i think a nickel and dime seller on the corner of the street is the same as the user but if ur talkin drug lords and ppl who smuggle pounds of stuff places then yes they are worse but if u think about it the drug use is not the problem its the idoits who use it and then do stupid stuff couse they are high or addicts who will do anythin to get high
 
The problem with the "jail the addict" rhetoric is that mandatory minimums are filling our jails and prisons to capacity with non violent offenders while hard core offenders are pushed back out on the street early because of lack of space. Also, mixing non violent drug users in with other criminals causes other problems such as introducing them to other forms of crime. Intensive probation where the offender is under strict control of the court system and pays from his/her own pocket is a much better solution allowing violent offenders to be kept off the streets while keeping costs down.
 
barry2952 said:
My wife is of the opinion that a drug user is as guilty as a drug pusher because there would be no supply if there is no demand. She believes the punishment should be the same for both.

I contend that with no supply there would be no drug use therefore no criminal act would have been committed.

What do you think?
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I think your right that if there were no drugs no drug use is possible, but that is not the role of a pusher. A pusher is more than just a supplier, a pusher is active in getting people to use drugs. This is also a role drug users sometimes fill by acting as role models or by social pressure.

All who promote the use of products detrimental to a person, their families, and society should face some type of negative response from society. This could be jail, fines, being treated like the drag on the world they are, etc.

For centuries society turned its back on those disabled by drugs and those who made money from such trade (unless done by government!). But now not only is scewing up your little world taken as a persons own choice, regardless of the damage done to their families and society, it is actually championed!

Drug abuse is not just an individuals problem, it causes world wide problems.
Just look around the town you live in.
 
they are = bad...supply and demand...if there were no demand...thered be no supply or anyone to supply it for that matter.
 
I believe it should be for both , because most users are pushers anyhow!!!
 
"Just say no to drugs."

Nancy Reagan

"Mrs. Reagan's Crusade

Mrs. Reagan first became impressed by the need to educate young people of the dangers of drug use and abuse during a campaign visit to Daytop Village, New York, in 1980. She "was stunned to find out just how large the problem of drug abuse really is," and was "impressed by what [she] saw at Daytop Village - children who were climbing out of the mess that they had made of their lives because of their dependency on drugs" She later returned to Daytop Village to explain how concerned about the problem she was, and how she wished to help.

Her concern for the effects of drug use on the world's young people, coupled by her hope and determination, enabled her to recognize the necessity of informing youths of its danger. It is this concern that prompted her to actively campaign against drug and alcohol abuse. Mrs. Reagan's anti-drug crusade took her to 65 cities in 33 states, the Vatican, and eight other foreign countries in the course of eight years, as well as moving her to make numerous speeches, host two international conferences, and participate in radio and TV interviews. Mrs. Reagan, in an interview with Good Morning America in November 1981, said her " best role is to try to bring public awareness, particularly parental awareness, to the problems of drug abuse" because "understanding what drugs can do to your children, understanding peer pressure and understanding why they turn to drugs is...the first step in solving the problem."

The second international drug conference Mrs. Reagan hosted was at the United Nations on October 21, 1985, and on the first page of the brochure, Mrs. Reagan wrote:

Dear Friends:

Welcome to New York City and thank you for joining me for our First Ladies meeting on drug abuse at the United Nations. It means so much to know you share my concern about this terrible problem, and I admire your interest in learning about ways to solve it.

As I've said many times, drug abuse knows no boundaries. It crosses all lines - geographical, racial, political, economic. There is no one here today whose country isn't affected by the inevitable sorrow and tragedy drug abuse causes. Not only can it tear down an entire nation, it also brings danger into the lives of our most precious resource our children. It is up to our generation to protect them and provide for them a drug-free world in which to live. We must act now, not tomorrow, or the next day.

Your presence here today helps confirm my belief that there is great hope. With our combined efforts and those of our friends and neighbors from all corners of the world, we will defeat this problem.

I look forward to our discussions today and working with you in the months ahead.

Sincerely,

Nancy Reagan"

http://www.reaganfoundation.org/reagan/nancy/just_say_no.asp
 
Pusher? that funny what have you been watching Reafer Madness , How about the Feds pulling a Medical Marijuana patient out of his hospital bed to put him in jail.

Our jails are full of lite drug user , and Child molester get off with just a few years

Do you feel Prez Bush new war in Porn is a good thing?

big time drug dealers are the bigger of the evil.

when was the last time someone Pushed drugs to you??
 
buddylee said:
Pusher? that funny what have you been watching Reafer Madness , How about the Feds pulling a Medical Marijuana patient out of his hospital bed to put him in jail.

Our jails are full of lite drug user , and Child molester get off with just a few years

Do you feel Prez Bush new war in Porn is a good thing?

big time drug dealers are the bigger of the evil.

when was the last time someone Pushed drugs to you??
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Drugs are for losers? Should there be a marijuana exception?
 
Drugs are for people who will do anything for a buck, drugs are for people who want to control others, drugs are for groups who wish to destablize a society, drugs are for those who wish to escape from the reality of their sorry lives, drugs are for those who will risk scewing up their future for a quick thrill today. Drugs are for those seeking an easy way to lose weight, gain muscle, get "friends", find god, get back at society or family.

Why do you use drugs?

Look at just about any society that's been on this planet and you'll find they've found some way to get a buzz. It's often incorperated into some religious practice which makes it ok. It's ok too if it gets soliders to go out all fired up to get killed for the "haves", and if it gets a little more milage out of your slaves or keeps them quiet that's also a good thing.

What makes your drug use ok?
 
Ah to live in a world so black and white with no shades of gray, even a loser may fit into gods grand scheme, playing a role we cannot fathom.
 
mach8 said:
I think your right that if there were no drugs no drug use is possible, but that is not the role of a pusher. A pusher is more than just a supplier, a pusher is active in getting people to use drugs. This is also a role drug users sometimes fill by acting as role models or by social pressure.

All who promote the use of products detrimental to a person, their families, and society should face some type of negative response from society. This could be jail, fines, being treated like the drag on the world they are, etc.

For centuries society turned its back on those disabled by drugs and those who made money from such trade (unless done by government!). But now not only is scewing up your little world taken as a persons own choice, regardless of the damage done to their families and society, it is actually championed!

Drug abuse is not just an individuals problem, it causes world wide problems.
Just look around the town you live in.
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Good point. New customer base being built, right?

Pusher: C'mon, man, try summa this, it'll send you!

Prospect: Aw, I dunno...

Pusher: Naw, really, man, it's awsum! I'll give ya a little for free, no charge, cool? Just try it, you don' like it, no sweat. You want some more, I'll be back here tomorra.

Prospect: I guess...
 
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