Is George Bush The Worst President -- Ever?

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By Richard Reeves
Fri Dec 2, 8:13 PM ET

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ucrr/200512...zec4QWs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3ODdxdHBhBHNlYwM5NjQ-


PARIS -- President John F. Kennedy was considered a historian because of his book "Profiles in Courage," so he received periodic requests to rate the presidents, those lists that usually begin "1. Lincoln, 2. Washington ..."

But after he actually became president himself, he stopped filling them out.

"No one knows what it's like in this office," he said after being in the job. "Even with poor James Buchanan, you can't understand what he did and why without sitting in his place, looking at the papers that passed on his desk, knowing the people he talked with."

Poor James Buchanan, the 15th president, is generally considered the worst president in history. Ironically, the Pennsylvania Democrat, elected in 1856, was one of the most qualified of the 43 men who have served in the highest office. A lawyer, a self-made man, Buchanan served with some distinction in the House, served as chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and secretary of state under President James K. Polk. He had a great deal to do with the United States becoming a continental nation -- "Manifest Destiny," war with Mexico, and all that. He was also ambassador to Great Britain and was offered a seat on the Supreme Court three separate times.

But he was a confused, indecisive president, who may have made the Civil War inevitable by trying to appease or negotiate with the South. His most recent biographer, Jean Clark, writing for the prestigious American Presidents Series, concluded this year that his actions probably constituted treason. It also did not help that his administration was as corrupt as any in history, and he was widely believed to be homosexual.

Whatever his sexual preferences, his real failures were in refusing to move after South Carolina announced secession from the Union and attacked Fort Sumter, and in supporting both the legality of the pro-slavery constitution of Kansas and the Supreme Court ruling in the Dred Scott class declaring that escaped slaves were not people but property.

He was the guy who in 1861 passed on the mess to the first Republican president, Abraham Lincoln. Buchanan set the standard, a tough record to beat. But there are serious people who believe that George W. Bush will prove to do that, be worse than Buchanan. I have talked with three significant historians in the past few months who would not say it in public, but who are saying privately that Bush will be remembered as the worst of the presidents.

There are some numbers. The History News Network at George Mason University has just polled historians informally on the Bush record. Four hundred and fifteen, about a third of those contacted, answered -- maybe they were all crazed liberals -- making the project as unofficial as it was interesting. These were the results: 338 said they believed Bush was failing, while 77 said he was succeeding. Fifty said they thought he was the worst president ever. Worse than Buchanan.

This is what those historians said -- and it should be noted that some of the criticism about deficit spending and misuse of the military came from self-identified conservatives -- about the Bush record:

He has taken the country into an unwinnable war and alienated friend and foe alike in the process;

He is bankrupting the country with a combination of aggressive military spending and reduced taxation of the rich;

He has deliberately and dangerously attacked separation of church and state;

He has repeatedly "misled," to use a kind word, the American people on affairs domestic and foreign;

He has proved to be incompetent in affairs domestic (New Orleans) and foreign ( Iraq and the battle against al-Qaida);

He has sacrificed American employment (including the toleration of pension and benefit elimination) to increase overall productivity;

He is ignorantly hostile to science and technological progress;

He has tolerated or ignored one of the republic's oldest problems, corporate cheating in supplying the military in wartime.

Quite an indictment. It is, of course, too early to evaluate a president. That, historically, takes decades, and views change over times as results and impact become more obvious. Besides, many of the historians note that however bad Bush seems, they have indeed since worse men around the White House. Some say Buchanan. Many say Vice President Dick Cheney.
 
95DevilleNS said:
Bah, why are you posting made up liberal media lies? None of it is true! (sarcasm)

I know. I just thought it was interesting what those liberals posted again..

How can they keep coming up with all those lies about the President! Don't they know it doesn't matter what they find it's all lies and twisted facts..
 
How many Presidents are YOU familiar with?

Who do You think was the worst?

How can you compare any of them with past Presidents you cannot possibly have any raeal knowlege of? (President Cleveland, for example)

I'm familiar with eight and of those eight I'd have to pick Jimmy Carter as the worst of the bunch. We're still dealing with falloutfrom his term.
 
I'm with Mach8, there is little doubt Carter was the worst President since WW2.
 
I would agree that Carter was the least effective president but he did little harm, unlike GWB. Anybody feel their civil liberties slipping away?
 
barry2952 said:
I would agree that Carter was the least effective president but he did little harm, unlike GWB. Anybody feel their civil liberties slipping away?

Nope.
 
President Bush is not the worst preident, Jimmy Carter was and always will be the worst President this country has had!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
barry2952 said:
I would agree that Carter was the least effective president but he did little harm, unlike GWB. Anybody feel their civil liberties slipping away?

I do, but mostly because of liberal US Supreme Court decisions, not b/c of Bush.
 
barry2952 said:
I would agree that Carter was the least effective president but he did little harm, unlike GWB.
There's an uninformed statement.

What you probably mean is, "Fortunately, Reagan worked very effectively to repair the country after Carter disasterous single term as President."

Anybody feel their civil liberties slipping away?
Only due to the courts. I didn't like seeing the 5 liberal justices on the Supreme Court saying private property could be forced from me in order to build condos to expand the tax base. Kelo case was a 5-4 decision, with the Ginsberg camp upholding it, and the Scalia side opposing it.
 
I concur our civil liberties are being taken away by judges overstepping their roles. How can we stop this?

Islamic fudamentalism became a force in our world due to the actions of the Carter administraton. Isn't that a little harmfull?

The long term legacy of the Clinton administration will be their actions which subliminated US security to the rise of China as a global military power. Who knows where thats going to end up.


But if Cayce, Nostradomus and other prophets of the future are correct we'll all be going down the toilet soon anyhow , so it realy won't matter!
 
FDR was the worst,

and people are going to flame me to hell for my next statment however,

lincoln was the second worst...


and that has nothing to do with slavery. That was the best thing to come out of Lincoln's term. However he also established a strong federal government nullifing states rights in the process, which lead to many of the problems we have today....


We are called "america" today, people forget we are the UNITED STATES, a UNION of seperate but equal STATES...........

However today the states have almost no say, they refuse to exert any of the power they rightfully have and bend to the will of the sting federal government.

FDR created our social programs which are now draining us dry.
 
mach8 said:
I concur our civil liberties are being taken away by judges overstepping their roles. How can we stop this?

Just keep electing conservative Presidents, and eventually they'll be replaced. That's probably the most effective and important difference Bush has made as President: appointing conservative judges.
 
fossten said:
Just keep electing conservative Presidents, and eventually they'll be replaced. That's probably the most effective and important difference Bush has made as President: appointing conservative judges.
we have not had a conservative Pres since Regan

Bush is NOT conservative, he is Republican;)
 
FDR created our social programs which are now draining us dry.

I've been saying this for years. Glad to know someone else agrees with me on that point.
 
FDR's programs pale in comparison to LBJ's "Great Society", although they were more radical for there time. Back then people were actually ashamed to take government "handouts". How times have changed................

However programs to help those in need aren't realy a problem until people start taking advantage of them. We now have generations living on welfare as their "lifestyle".
 
From Rasmussen:

32% Favor Bush Impeachment

Thirty-two percent (32%) of Americans believe that President George W. Bush should be impeached and removed from office. Fifty-eight percent (58%) take the opposite view.
 
barry2952 said:
From Rasmussen:

32% Favor Bush Impeachment

Thirty-two percent (32%) of Americans believe that President George W. Bush should be impeached and removed from office. Fifty-eight percent (58%) take the opposite view.

You should be impeached, for buying all the foreign cars that you have, while trying to do business in, or near, Dearborn, MI.
 
barry2952 said:
From Rasmussen:

32% Favor Bush Impeachment

Thirty-two percent (32%) of Americans believe that President George W. Bush should be impeached and removed from office. Fifty-eight percent (58%) take the opposite view.

You conveniently left out this part:

The impeachment of President Bush is favored by a plurality (49%) of Democrats. However, it is opposed by 84% of Republicans and 55% of those not affiliated with either major political party.

Democrats, by a 47% to 28% margin, say they are more likely to vote for a candidate who supports impeachment. Eighty percent (80%) of Republicans are less likely to do so.

Unaffiliateds, by a 46% to 29% margin, are less likely to vote for a candidate promising to work for impeachment.

Results by gender, age, party, income, and other demographic subsets are available for Premium Members.

The Rasmussen Reports survey of 1,000 adults was commissioned by After Downing Street, a coalition working "to pressure both Congress and the media to investigate whether President Bush has committed impeachable offenses in connection with the Iraq war."

The number who support impeachment is very similar to the 33% who believe it is impossible for the United States mission in Iraq to succeed.
 
Saw a special on Nixon today and they were gushing about all the great things he did as President...from the environment to affirmative action. Seems it takes the media a decade or two to finally set the record straight (Reagan, etc.) Go figure.
 
MonsterMark said:
Saw a special on Nixon today and they were gushing about all the great things he did as President...from the environment to affirmative action. Seems it takes the media a decade or two to finally set the record straight (Reagan, etc.) Go figure.
I agree. Time will tell. Everyone has their opinion. I'll go with Carter being the worst in recent history. I disagree with Lincoln being a bad president. He was unpopular at times. But a loose confederation of states would never have defeated the Axis powers of WWII. I also disagree with FDR being a bad president. All presidents have made decisions that can be second-guessed and debated, but our country would not have recovered from the Great Depression and survived had FDR not been in power. Again, these are just my opinions.
 
mespock said:
...He has taken the country into an unwinnable war and alienated friend and foe alike in the process;

We are winning the war despite opposition from the "retreat and defeat" left. Iraq is on the way to being free, and the insurgents are starting to pack it in already.
mespock said:
He is bankrupting the country with a combination of aggressive military spending and reduced taxation of the rich;

We are experiencing the best economy we've had in decades directly resulting from Bush's tax cuts.
mespock said:
He has deliberately and dangerously attacked separation of church and state;

Separation of church and state is a debatable term not found in the Constitution.
mespock said:
He has repeatedly "misled," to use a kind word, the American people on affairs domestic and foreign;

There is no evidence, to use a kind word, whatsoever proving Bush lied about anything concerning Iraq to anybody.
mespock said:
He has proved to be incompetent in affairs domestic (New Orleans) and foreign

It was Babineaux and Nagin who were incompetent, not Bush. They whined and cried and failed to evacuate their people.
mespock said:
( Iraq and the battle against al-Qaida);

No attacks on our land since 9/11 and a free Iraq totally debunk that statement.
mespock said:
He has sacrificed American employment (including the toleration of pension and benefit elimination) to increase overall productivity;

We've had 5,000,000 new jobs created in the last 3 years.
mespock said:
He is ignorantly hostile to science and technological progress;

??? He tried to get ANWR drilling started, for example, but the Democrats killed the attempt. Who's hostile again?
mespock said:
He has tolerated or ignored one of the republic's oldest problems, corporate cheating in supplying the military in wartime.

No evidence supporting that ridiculous claim.
mespock said:
Quite an indictment. It is, of course, too early to evaluate a president. That, historically, takes decades, and views change over times as results and impact become more obvious. Besides, many of the historians note that however bad Bush seems, they have indeed since worse men around the White House. Some say Buchanan. Many say Vice President Dick Cheney.

The guy who wrote this article drinks too much kool-aid. You should be ashamed to paste an article that doesn't even list FACTS, but mere conjecture. It makes it too easy to refute.

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