Is Mayor Nagin a wacko too? Or a racist?

[fossten]

New Orleans Mayor Says God Mad at U.S.
Jan 16 9:44 PM US/Eastern


By BRETT MARTEL
Associated Press Writer


NEW ORLEANS


Mayor Ray Nagin suggested Monday that Hurricanes Katrina and Rita and other storms were a sign that "God is mad at America" and at black communities, too, for tearing themselves apart with violence and political infighting.

"Surely God is mad at America. He sent us hurricane after hurricane after hurricane, and it's destroyed and put stress on this country," Nagin, who is black, said as he and other city leaders marked Martin Luther King Day.

"Surely he doesn't approve of us being in Iraq under false pretenses. But surely he is upset at black America also. We're not taking care of ourselves."

Nagin also promised that New Orleans will be a "chocolate" city again. Many of the city's black neighborhoods were heavily damaged by Katrina.

"It's time for us to come together. It's time for us to rebuild New Orleans _ the one that should be a chocolate New Orleans," the mayor said. "This city will be a majority African American city. It's the way God wants it to be. You can't have New Orleans no other way. It wouldn't be New Orleans."

Nagin described an imaginary conversation with King, the late civil rights leader.

"I said, `What is it going to take for us to move on and live your dream and make it a reality?' He said, `I don't think that we need to pay attention any more as much about other folks and racists on the other side.' He said, `The thing we need to focus on as a community _ black folks I'm talking about _ is ourselves.'"

Nagin said he also asked: "Why is black-on-black crime such an issue? Why do our young men hate each other so much that they look their brother in the face and they will take a gun and kill him in cold blood?"

The reply, Nagin said, was: "We as a people need to fix ourselves first."

Nagin also said King would have been dismayed with black leaders who are "most of the time tearing each other down publicly for the delight of many."

A day earlier, gunfire erupted at a parade to commemorate King's birthday. Three people were wounded in the daylight shooting amid a throng of mostly black spectators, but police said there were no immediate suspects or witnesses.


So Mayor Nagin thinks he knows what God is thinking and he wants more blacks than whites in New Orleans. What if the Mayor of Salt Lake City said "We need to keep our city VANILLA?" Wonder if there'd be an outcry.

 

[ToddG]

Nagin is having a "Pat Robertson" moment.

 

[MonsterMark]

Racist and inept! Pretty obvious on both accounts.

It appears once again Scrappleface has the answer...LOL

Hershey Chocolate to help New Orleans become more chocolatey

http://www.scrappleface.com/?p=2150

 

[TheDude]

So Mayor Nagin thinks he knows what God is thinking and he wants more blacks than whites in New Orleans. What if the Mayor of Salt Lake City said "We need to keep our city VANILLA?" Wonder if there'd be an outcry.

Just another 'ahole' like Pat Robertson on the God part, but you're right about the double standard, America leans heavily on the notion that only 'whites' can be racist.

 

[cww102174]

OK.... well although I don't agree with everything that he said, as a black man I just want to give my two cents.

Nagin also promised that New Orleans will be a "chocolate" city again. Many of the city's black neighborhoods were heavily damaged by Katrina.

Ok for those how don't know this in the black community the term "Chocolate City" is used for cities that are majority African American. Ex. Atlanta, DC, New Orleans, Charlotte. Now he also said "again" meaning to have make it majority African American like it was before the flooding. Let's also remember that is it because of slavery that New Orleans has been that way. Once the slaves where free many didn't have the means to move so they just stayed right there in New Orleans.

It's time for us to rebuild New Orleans _ the one that should be a chocolate New Orleans," the mayor said. "This city will be a majority African American city. It's the way God wants it to be. You can't have New Orleans no other way. It wouldn't be New Orleans."

Now I agree that yes it is time to rebuild New Orleans, but to say it "should be a chocolate New Orleans & it's the way God wants it, now that was just wrong to say. I don't agree that it should be that way. If anything he should have said that New Orleans will be rebuilt so that those with low income can return if that want. I say this because most of the people who lost there homes had low income. In other words New Orleans shouldn't be rebuilt in to Beverly Hills.

"I said, `What is it going to take for us to move on and live your dream and make it a reality?' He said, `I don't think that we need to pay attention any more as much about other folks and racists on the other side.' He said, `The thing we need to focus on as a community _ black folks I'm talking about _ is ourselves.'"

Yes African Americans have a lot of work to do with in our own communities is true, but to stop paying attention to racists in this country. Oh no that is something that I wish the government (Dem. & Rep.) would spend money on to end. Hell, if we can try to fight the war on terrorism, then surely we can fight racism (Black, White, Asian, Hispanic) whoever. If you hate someone because they look a little different then you have a real problem. This is suppose to be the land of the free, home of the brave, so why can't we all be brave enough to love and respect each other for our many likes and one major difference.

So Mayor Nagin thinks he knows what God is thinking and he wants more blacks than whites in New Orleans. What if the Mayor of Salt Lake City said "We need to keep our city VANILLA?" Wonder if there'd be an outcry.

Again, yeah to say that there needs to be more blacks than whites in New Orleans is a crazy thing to say. If the Mayor of Salt Lake City said that yes there would be an outcry, but there shouldn't be if you ask me. Just like the college football coach said they lost because the other team had more black player and they need more on the team and people said it was a racist comment. That wasn't a racist comment, but some people just look for anything that can be looked at as that. I mean just like New Orleans has always been majority black Salt Lake City has been majority white, but we all are free to live where we like and "NOBODY" should say differently.

 

[fossten]

I have no problem with most of what you said, but I take issue with the attitude that the Democrats and Republicans need to spend money to end racism. The fact of the matter is that if the Democrats would just stop creating phantom divisions by calling Republicans racists, a lot of the divisiveness would disappear.

 

[MAllen82]

yes, and how should we spend all of this surplus money to end racism? Typical crap from an entitlist. Why should the government end racism? Since when is it their job? I think we need to take the responsibility on oursleves. And how is it not racist to say it needs to be more "chocolate"? He's obviously saying that he doesn't want white people to move there. Just because you op that it's ok for Salt Lake City to blah blah blah doesn't mean anything. The fact of the matter is SLC didn't, and Nagin did. And you're damne right I'm pissed about it. I have to sit and watch as Mayor Shirley Franklin creates a new image for Atlanta that is only representative of blacks. Last time I checked, my metroplex is mostly white no matter what Atlanta is. You guys should search for the Atlanta theme song. It's really ridiculous.

 

[fossten]

yes, and how should we spend all of this surplus money to end racism? Typical crap from an entitlist. Why should the government end racism? Since when is it their job? I think we need to take the responsibility on oursleves. And how is it not racist to say it needs to be more "chocolate"? He's obviously saying that he doesn't want white people to move there. Just because you op that it's ok for Salt Lake City to blah blah blah doesn't mean anything. The fact of the matter is SLC didn't, and Nagin did. And you're damne right I'm pissed about it. I have to sit and watch as Mayor Shirley Franklin creates a new image for Atlanta that is only representative of blacks. Last time I checked, my metroplex is mostly white no matter what Atlanta is. You guys should search for the Atlanta theme song. It's really ridiculous.

You're right, that is a stupid song.

 

[mespock]

Now there's a guy who has sold his sole to the White Devil.....

 

[pepperman]

Now there's a guy who has sold his sole to the White Devil.....

:I I saw a little of what he said yesterday, and the guy is a total nut case!!!!

 

[MAllen82]

from http://www.fredtoucher.com
For those of you that don't know the story the Atlanta government spent 8 million dollars on a campaign to promote the city. The marketing firm that won the account is called LattimerMoffitt Communications. They used this 8 million dollars to :q:q:q:q out a hackneyed coke-esque "ATLanta" logo and the slogan "Atlanta: Where every day is opening day."

Now while no one can decide why the only place that you see these billboards or can watch these pro-Atlanta commercials is IN ATLANTA, everyone can agree that the campaign is a national laughingstock. Trade magazines like AdAge and newspapers from Los Angeles to Pittsburgh have all contained articles on what a horrible idea this whole thing was.

However, the new city logo and slogan can't hold a candle to our new Atlanta theme song. For this the free thinking bunch at LattimerMoffitt Communications gave the reigns to pop producer Dallas Austin who churned out a masterbatory "R+B" song that moans and says ATL a lot.

Now I am pretty certain that young hip hop hopefuls are aware that Atlanta has spawned some successful artists in that genre, so it can be debated that this isn't a demographic that needed to be swayed to come to town. However, let's leave that alone for right now. For it is when the people at LattimerMoffitt Communications address the criticism the song has received that my blood begins to boil.

In one LA Times article LattimerMoffitt Communications partner Sarah Lattimer says that she was "shocked by the critical interpretations of the song" and how she cannot explain why suburban residents took offense. "I can't speak for the suburbs," she said. "I don't know what goes on there." OOOHHH YOU URBAN HIPSTER YOU! It must be sooo hard for someone as sophisticated as you to even begin to conceive what goes through the head of all those automaton surburban drones who don't "get" your song.

Let's get real Ms. Lattimer.

1) Your "Brand Atlanta" campaign has been universally mocked for its lack of creativity by papers like the LA Times. Last time I checked Los Angeles was even a BIGGER city than Atlanta. Although I will give you the benefit of the doubt and guess that someone from the suburban San Fernando Valley wrote that article and they could never hope to get you.

2) You hired Dallas Austin to record your song. Where did you find him! Oh that's right he has produced horrible bubblegum :q:q:q:q like Another Bad Creation (Iesha) in the past. Ms. Lattimer please share the strange and mysterious things you must put your mind through in order to begin to concoct such unexplored musical productions!

 

[MAllen82]

Just a quick thought cww, would it be racist for me to say that I would like to see AMERICA be more vanilla. Under your thought process, America has always been a majority white country.

 

[cww102174]

I have no problem with most of what you said, but I take issue with the attitude that the Democrats and Republicans need to spend money to end racism. The fact of the matter is that if the Democrats would just stop creating phantom divisions by calling Republicans racists, a lot of the divisiveness would disappear.

So it's OK to spend billions of dollars to win the war on terrorism which is taught but not racism which is also taught. Now, although I only said racism it doesn't stop there. I said once before we have a lot to clean up hear in America. As for spending money if we can spend money tracking down people in other countries surely we can track down hate groups here in America. To me these are both terrorist/hate groups, one international and one domestic. Will this ever happen "NO" and I know this, but I am just saying what I feel. There is no money to be made in doing this just a better life for everyone.

If Democrats are creating phatom divisions by call Republicans racists then yes they need do stop. Racism isn't a oneway street, and doesn't see one color. Can we stop it ourselves and not spend any money doing it "YES", but not until people stop teaching it to their children. Just like terrorism as long as it is being taught it will never go away.

 

[cww102174]

Just a quick thought cww, would it be racist for me to say that I would like to see AMERICA be more vanilla. Under your thought process, America has always been a majority white country.

Good point and I see what you are saying because no it wouldn't be right to say that. But remember I did say that I do not agree with what the mayor said and that is wasn't right for him to say what he said.

 

[MAllen82]

First of all, hunting down hate groups is fine, as long as they are being detrimental to society. Now I get pissed off just as much as the next guy when I see a bunch of rednecks riding around with white pointy hats on, but you can't stop them unless they go out and start harming people. I'd love to bring a rifle to a KKK meeting and start offing some of those crazy asses, but thats' part of what America is all about. Everyone is allowed their point of vie, which is why Nagin can say he wants N.O. to be more Chocolate again and nothing can happen to him.

 

[cww102174]

First of all, hunting down hate groups is fine, as long as they are being detrimental to society. Now I get pissed off just as much as the next guy when I see a bunch of rednecks riding around with white pointy hats on, but you can't stop them unless they go out and start harming people. I'd love to bring a rifle to a KKK meeting and start offing some of those crazy asses, but thats' part of what America is all about. Everyone is allowed their point of vie, which is why Nagin can say he wants N.O. to be more Chocolate again and nothing can happen to him.

I agree with everything you said, but as for hate groups I didn't just mean "KKK". If anyone HATES someone in this country because of their race, or sex, or whatever then they have a real problem. I know we are free to express how we feel hate or not, but things do happen and people do get hurt and killed for no reason at all. I disagree about Nagin, I think his comments will come back and bite him.

 

[fossten]

If you want to hunt down HATE groups, you can start with moveon.org, NARAL, PAW, the ACLU, and NOW.

 

[FreeFaller]

Nagin's an idiot...period.

Atlanta's theme song? It sounds alright... I think that using an R&B based tune is perfectly fine so long as it is done in good taste.

Government and ending racism? Well, the other day I saw a commercial where a young black man walks into a convenience store owned by an older asian gentleman. The older man then proceeds to tell his younger son to watch the customer because he looks "suspicious". The son then looks at the customer, realizes it is one of his boys and says "Yo T...what's up bro?" Then the son says: "Dad...you always told me not to judge people..." and walks away. That was a good message that stuck... And it also showed that it is the older adults who push these judgemental beliefs in their children. That was a good use of government money.

But the comparison of racism in America and the War on Terror is somewhat uninformed. Ending racism in America starts with our young. Ending the threat of global terrorism starts with the young. Both are a product of a biased and uniformed belief. That's why one of our major priorities in Afganistan and Iraq is to provide a stable learning institution for the younger generation.

 

[JohnnyBz00LS]

There is no money to be made in doing this just a better life for everyone.

BINGO! Now if companies like Halliburton could figure out a way to profit from hunting down domestic hate terrorists, you can bet the BuSh administration would funnel our tax dollars towards it.

fossten, don't forget "religious" based hate groups like those who kill doctors who perform a legal abortions "in the name of GOD", or the ones who hate gays, or the ones who pray to a different god then themselves, or the ones who hate democrats or because they didn't vote for BuSh............

 

[barry2952]

Nagin's an idiot...period.

Atlanta's theme song? It sounds alright... I think that using an R&B based tune is perfectly fine so long as it is done in good taste.

Government and ending racism? Well, the other day I saw a commercial where a young black man walks into a convenience store owned by an older asian gentleman. The older man then proceeds to tell his younger son to watch the customer because he looks "suspicious". The son then looks at the customer, realizes it is one of his boys and says "Yo T...what's up bro?" Then the son says: "Dad...you always told me not to judge people..." and walks away. That was a good message that stuck... And it also showed that it is the older adults who push these judgemental beliefs in their children. That was a good use of government money.

But the comparison of racism in America and the War on Terror is somewhat uninformed. Ending racism in America starts with our young. Ending the threat of global terrorism starts with the young. Both are a product of a biased and uniformed belief. That's why one of our major priorities in Afganistan and Iraq is to provide a stable learning institution for the younger generation.

Steve,

Well written. Your point really hit home.

How would you propose making the change as we all seem to turn into our parents as we get older?

 

[mespock]

If you want to hunt down HATE groups, you can start with moveon.org, NARAL, PAW, the ACLU, and NOW.

Don't forget the Right for Life groups, and the 700 Club!

 

[fossten]

BINGO! Now if companies like Halliburton could figure out a way to profit from hunting down domestic hate terrorists, you can bet the BuSh administration would funnel our tax dollars towards it.

fossten, don't forget "religious" based hate groups like those who kill doctors who perform a legal abortions "in the name of GOD", or the ones who hate gays, or the ones who pray to a different god then themselves, or the ones who hate democrats or because they didn't vote for BuSh............

You DO have some actual NAMES for these groups, right?

 

[fossten]

Here's another HATE-MONGER to go after:

Reprinted from NewsMax.com

Monday, Jan. 16, 2006 9:12 p.m. EST
Hillary Clinton Blasts GOP 'Plantation'


NEW YORK -- Sounding a little like a preacher, a fired-up Sen. Hillary Clinton lambasted the Bush administration and the Republican-controlled Congress during a Martin Luther King Jr. Day event, predicting the presidency "will go down in history as one of the worst" and saying the House of Representatives is run like a "plantation" where dissenting voices are squelched.

"When you look at the way the House of Representatives has been run, it has been run like a plantation, and you know what I'm talking about," Clinton, D-N.Y., told the crowd at the Canaan Baptist Church of Christ in Harlem. "It has been run in a way so that nobody with a contrary view has had a chance to present legislation, to make an argument, to be heard."

Speaking to a group of Hurricane Katrina evacuees in the audience, Clinton offered an apology "on behalf of a government that left you behind, that turned its back on you." Her remarks were met with thunderous applause.

"We have a culture of corruption, we have cronyism, we have incompetence," she said. "I predict to you that this administration will go down in history as one of the worst that has ever governed our country."

Republican National Committee spokeswoman Tracey Schmitt, reached by telephone, responded to Clinton's remarks by saying, "On a day when Americans are focused on the legacy of Martin Luther King, Hillary Clinton is focused on the legacy of Hillary Clinton."

A spokeswoman for the White House declined to comment and referred questions to the RNC.

The Rev. Al Sharpton, who organized the Monday event, said Clinton's comments were important to her primarily black audience.

"It was significant to us that she did it at our forum on Martin Luther King Day and in many ways said what a lot of us have been saying a long time about the Bush administration," Sharpton said.
Clinton was joined at the event by a host of elected officials and some others looking to be elected officials.

Other speakers included Democratic gubernatorial candidate Eliot Spitzer and the man considering a run against him in the primary, Nassau County Executive Tom Suozzi.

Republican state attorney general candidate Jeanine Pirro attended, as did Democratic New York Sen. Charles Schumer, Republican Mayor Michael Bloomberg and a number of City Council members. Actor and [traitor]activist Harry Belafonte made a late, but extremely well-received, entrance.

Bloomberg, who spoke and left before Clinton's remarks, noted that this year marks the 20th anniversary of the King holiday and said it was vital that King's message remain alive.

"We must not let the real man or his message recede into history," Bloomberg said. "Sadly, that's something that often happens, and our heroes and the fathers of our nation have to be people that we constantly tell our children about so they understand the sacrifices that were made."



Reprinted from NewsMax.com

Wednesday, Jan. 18, 2006 9:19 a.m. EST
Black Dem Blasts 'Plantation' Hillary Clinton


A high profile black Democrat in New York City is blasting Hillary Clinton for playing racial politics with her Martin Luther King Day tribute, saying her use of the term "plantation" was "condescending" to African Americans.

"I think her speech was contrived and condescending," City Councilman Charles Barron told ABC Radio's Sean Hannity on Tuesday.

"I don't like the idea that she used 'plantation' with a black audience," Barron complained. "I think that's a very serious analogy and I understand when we [blacks] use it from time to time. But that has been a very horrific experience. And the Democrats haven't [treated] us a whole lot better than the Republicans."

Barron, a former Black Panther who sat behind Mrs. Clinton as she addressed the King Day gathering at Harlem's Canaan Baptist Church, said he had no problem with the other part of her comments.

"I agree with her that [the Bush administration] has been the worst administration in the history of America," Barron said.

Asked if Mrs. Clinton should "step down" or "apologize" for her use of the racially incendiary term, Barron said, "No, I don't think she has to. I think what she did was tell the truth about the Republican administration."

Barron's comments stand in marked contrast to Rev. Al Sharpton, who defended Mrs. Clinton's "plantation" outburst on Monday.

I absolutely defend her saying it because I said it all through the '04 elections," Sharpton told the New York Daily News.

 

[FreeFaller]

Steve,

Well written. Your point really hit home.

How would you propose making the change as we all seem to turn into our parents as we get older?

Well, step #1 should be to lighten up. Only fight that battles that are worth fighting. I couldn't care less about what Nagin says. He's an idiot and I've added him to my ignore list. I don't think that anybody should care what some dumb redneck says either. As long as he's just talking in between bedding sessions with his sister and not lynching people then let him. The government should make strides to ensure that an equal opportunity environment is provided in public outlets (ie work/government/school/media). I think that this country has made huge improvements in this area. If anyone doubts me then they should think of what an African-American slave from pre 1860's America would think if he were to instantly be transported to today.

The nagging problem is within peoples own heads. That's the toughie. That's the basis of the whole problem. Most kids nowadays don't get a whole heck of alot of their values from their parents anyway. Media has become the primary source of values in our society. I think one of the major stepping stones lies within the black community. To honor someone like Tookie Williams yet largely ignore the accomplishments of Thurgood Marshall is a travesty. But where does the fault of that mindset lie. Maybe society as a whole has perpetuated the judjements we force on others. It is in our own human nature that we seek out the differences in each other. Differences make us stronger as a whole but also provide a gap in which to drive a wedge.

We have all been racist/sexist/etc. at one time or another. The key is that a good person is able to recognize that they were wrong. To feel shame for their despicable action. That is what we must teach our children. To know what right and wrong feels like inside. To know the difference between perception and reality...

You know what...this is taking too long. It's this simple... Show a video of US Soldiers under fire...one with mulitiple races. Then try to find the racist. Finally ask the children why you cannot find one...

...because this fight involves us all.

 

[mespock]

Free Faller for President! LOL.... I'm being respectful!....