Kerry Fact Check

[MonsterMark]

Remember all the hubbaloo about Dick Cheney's deferments and Kerry denying, actually not admitting that he also had deferments. 4 in fact. The 5th was denied (wanted to go to France) because he was graduating, so he enlisted.

This is straight from the horse's mouth, the Selective Service...

"The National Archives and Records Administration has located Mr. Kerry's official Agency record; it is enclosed. Mr. Kerry registered with Selective Service on December 11, 1961, at Local Board #7 in Concord, New Hampshire. He was given Selective Service Number 19-59-43-209. Mr. Kerry was classified "2-S" (Registrant deferred because of activity in study) on May 26, 1964, and was subsequently awarded this deferment four more times, through April 5, 1966. On April 6, 1966, he was reclassified "1-D" (Member of a Reserve Component). He was separated from active duty on March 1, 1970, and was reclassified "4-A" (Registrant who has completed service) on April 29, 1970. This was the last action taken by Selective Service concerning him."

More to follow. Isn't this fun!

 

[MonsterMark]

Read my lips

Read my lips, no new taxes. Well, at least he is on the record.

Asked by ABC's Diane Sawyer if he would promise "no new taxes" on anybody making less than $200,000 per year, Kerry said, "Yes, I do. Yes, I do."

 

[Harris Budries]

...This is straight from the horse's mouth, the Selective Service...

"The National Archives and Records Administration has located Mr. Kerry's official Agency record; it is enclosed. ..

More to follow. Isn't this fun!

It would be if the information were genuine. This is a well-known Internet hoax, and you fell for it.

 

[MonsterMark]

So Kerry didn't receive 4 deferments? and on his 5th, when asking to go to Pareee, was turned down and then 'voluntarily' enlisted. If that is incorrect, that is news to me.

Why is Kerry attempting to be the only President in history to hide his past by not signing his DD180 releasing ALL his military records, not just the ones he hand-picked?

 

[Harris Budries]

Oh, looky -- I hit a brownshirt's nerve!

So Kerry didn't receive 4 deferments?

How should I know? For that matter, provide a RELIABLE source for your assertion -- not some mass-mailed BOGUS story like the one you originally posted, you gullible rube.

And explain this: why would Kerry's alleged deferments be such a big deal in the first place? My uncle got three deferments when he was in college, became a Marine Lieutenant as a result of four years of NROTC, was stationed to Vietnam and served a tour of duty.

Are you trying to tell me my uncle is a coward? I believe you are, you little twerp. You have NO respect for veterans, NO respect for the military, NO respect for young men fresh out of college who put service to their countru above "other priorities."

Just what is your major malfunction? Why in hell do you hate veterans -- hate America -- so much? Did your daddy beat you too much? Or maybe he beat your mommy in fornt of you? Jeebis, get over yourself!

Kerry enlisted as an officer in the Navy and served not only honorably but heroically -- whereas his opponent was slotted into the Texas Air National Guard Champagne Unit by daddy's political and "binniss" cronies. Three Purple Hearts trump the Order of the Beer Bong any day of the week, rube.

As for that silly-ass form you and your other screaming-monkey, no-nothing veteran-haters insist Kerry file, do you think that every vet running for office should file one -- especially in the poisoned, cheap-shot, anything-goes political environment that trolls like you nurture? Anyone with a shred of common sense would say no Cheneying way.

Besides, the former Texas Governor's military records continue to trickle out -- and they seem to indicate some serious problems with his lost year... er, last year or two of service.

 

[barry2952]

Why MonsterMark, I see you've met your match.

 

[Harris Budries]

Barry -- off topic, but those are some righteously sweet wheels in your photo garage!

 

[barry2952]

Thank you. We have a lot of fun showing it.

 

[MonsterMark]

Sir,

Spend a little time on this site and you will see I am a huge advocate of the US military and of vets in particular. I am the number 1 supporter of the US military and our soldiers on this site.

You are so far off base when it comes to understanding my views.

Do yourself a favor. You are welcome on this site but please go and read our rules. I don't like to slap anybody down but your language and personal atacks are not acceptable.

I bring up the Kerry deferments because Kerry and the Breck Girl brought up Cheney's deferments knowing Kerry also received them. What is good for the goose is good for the gander, my man.

If you call Kerry's self-inlficted injuries for which he received 2 of his Purple Hearts noble, you are the one crapping on every soldier that has ever served our Country and received real Purple Hearts for real injuries.

I'll take Bush's 4+ years of service in the guard over the cowardly traitor Kerry anyday and so will the dozens of Kerry's fellow officers that watched him in action and view him as unfit for command.

Kerry is running for President so I won't waste my time with you having to explain something so self-evident.

 

[MonsterMark]

Why MonsterMark, I see you've met your match.

You certainly haven't been.

If the guy tones down the personal rhetoric, I might have some fun with him.

Some guys just don't understand that you don't come on a new site with all guns blazing on your 1st or second post. A little foreplay is usually in order. Maybe some wine, a few candles and a nice furry rug next to the fire. Don't you think?

What he did would make someone think he is a troll. But I'll play the game and see what develops.

 

[Harris Budries]

I bring up the Kerry deferments....

You can't even PROVE he got deferments. And if he did, so Cheneying what? He enlisted!

You also seem oblivious to the fact that Cheney ducked out of service. The fact that you are impugning a decorated war hero is prima facie evidence that you do not respect veterans. Selective respect is in the eyes of many veterans no respect. Get used to it.

I salute the service of John Kerry, John O'Neill, Max Cleland, JJ McCain... all of them. All of them with distinguished service records -- unlike the feckless Bush boy, whose records show that he did not fulfil his duty to this nation. And yes, it is a problem - your problem - if you aren't man enough to show all of them the respect due veterans who have seen the face of combat. When you call Kerry a "coward," you call O'Neill, Cleland, McCain, and every Vietnam vet a coward.

Shame on you. You DO hate our veterans.

 

[Kbob]

Why MonsterMark, I see you've met your match.

Sometimes I don't know about you, Barry. That guy snaps from the get-go and gets belligerent and you delight in it. I know you think Bryan deserves it somehow, but as I've said before, there's a difference between tongue-in-cheek and mean-spiritedness. Are you one of those types who rushes to see someone get beat up, and yells "hit him harder"? I'm telling you now: "Grow up."

And HB, why go off on a tangent about your uncle and and then come up with some twisted conclusion that MonsterMark somehow hates all vets when all his posts on the subject prove otherwise? Why don't you review some of the previous posts on this forum about this subject before you make yourself look too much like a fool . . . too late. And save your political name-calling before you educate yourself on me as well.

 

[MonsterMark]

You can't even PROVE he got deferments. And if he did, so Cheneying what? He enlisted!

You also seem oblivious to the fact that Cheney ducked out of service. The fact that you are impugning a decorated war hero is prima facie evidence that you do not respect veterans. Selective respect is in the eyes of many veterans no respect. Get used to it.

I salute the service of John Kerry, John O'Neill, Max Cleland, JJ McCain... all of them. All of them with distinguished service records -- unlike the feckless Bush boy, whose records show that he did not fulfil his duty to this nation. And yes, it is a problem - your problem - if you aren't man enough to show all of them the respect due veterans who have seen the face of combat. When you call Kerry a "coward," you call O'Neill, Cleland, McCain, and every Vietnam vet a coward.

Shame on you. You DO hate our veterans.

No No No No No!

I feel Kerry's service was less than honorable even though he served. I have never said that about any other Vet in any other theater of war. Kerry is a guy who used his service to grandstand while he was there. He wrote up his own after-action reports to receive his medals. And 4 days after he received his 3rd, he was out, leaving his comrades behind.

Then he turned on every American soldier still in theater. He lied before Congress, called American soldiers baby killers and worse. Met with Communists as a Commissioned Officer. Assisted in the slaughter of over 2,000,000 Vietnamese, Laotians and Cambodians.

I can go on and on but as a service to our fellow readers, I suggest you spend a couple of hours in this political forum going over the threads. I think you will find them enlightening.

 

[barry2952]

You see, Kbob, you agree with MonsterMark's rhetoric so you look past one of the most mean spirited people I've ever encountered.

Yes, I delighted in seeing MonsterMark knocked down on his assumption that deferrments were somehow evil. MonsterMark has described himself as being 20-something. He wasn't there. He has no right to judge.

 

[MonsterMark]

Barry,

If you see me as mean-spirited, you don't know me. Which of course you don't. Just because I detest the candidate you support for President doesn't make me mean-spirited. I love to raze and tease, all in good fun. Don't get so worked up. Have some fun. That is what this forum is for. :F and argue2 can be alot of fun if you don't take it personally.

I have never said the deferments Kerry received were evil. I was pointing out the hypocrisy in the Main Stream Media that crawled up Cheney's pants and called him a coward for not serving when it was Kerry that also received deferments. Comparing apples to apples.

20 something? Where did that come from. I'm old enough to be your children's parent.

And I have every right to judge a man looking to be President of the United States. If the media had done its job instead of showing the whole world the liberal bias our media has by giving Kerry a pass, we wouldn't be here arguing anything.