Kerry's hate speech

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Reprinted from NewsMax.com

Sunday, June 4, 2006 10:49 p.m. EDT

John Kerry: Bush A Criminal, Looting Country

Failed presidential candidate John Kerry blasted President Bush on Thursday as a "criminal" who has been "looting the country."

The Massachusetts Democrat offered the incendiary comments during an off the record meeting with liberal bloggers after a speech in Los Angeles to the Pacific Council on International Policy.

According to the web site L.A. Observed, Kerry asked the bloggers to keep his comments confidential; a request they apparently dismissed out of hand without telling him.

Blogger "Hollywood Liberal" reports that Kerry "agreed completely with someone's assessment that everything that Bush does is solely for the purpose of looting the country."

"[Kerry] basically said that Bush and his cohorts are criminals" the blogger continued. "At some other point he referred to Supreme Court Justices Alito, Scalia, and Roberts as 'Idiots.'"

With an eye on 2008, Kerry has been courting the blog community, which helped make Howard Dean the early Democratic presidential frontrunner in 2004.

Meanwhile, current Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton's star continues to fade with the same group. Polls taken over the last year by the leading liberal blog, Daily Kos, show Mrs. Clinton trailing Russ Feingold, Mark Warner and even Wesley Clark.


The irony of this is that if Kerry were President, our country would have been looted like it's never been before.
 
I guess that they neglected to realize that Kerry has like 8 houses (at a million plus each) and Bush has a ranch.
 
WOW! What’s up with Kerry? If he really thought his spiteful comments would be kept a secret then obviously he’s totally lost it.

His attack against Chief Justice Roberts shows he has no class. But then again, the only thing Kerry knows how to do is—attack—attack—attack. What a disgrace!
 
attack-attack-attack

scratch-bandaid-scab

Purple heart-purple heart-purple heart
 
Oh my! He said that she said that Kerry said blah blah blah. This story has as much credibility as the story that BuSh said that the "Constitution is just a GOD DAMN piece of paper." Just consider the source, the "Drive-By Media".
:rolleyes:
 
JohnnyBz00LS said:
Oh my! He said that she said that Kerry said blah blah blah. This story has as much credibility as the story that BuSh said that the "Constitution is just a GOD DAMN piece of paper." Just consider the source, the "Drive-By Media".
:rolleyes:

More hate speech.

Let me get this straight: You're actually DEFENDING Kerry? The guy who called our soldiers "terrorists" while saying he supports the troops?

:bowrofl:
 
fossten said:
More hate speech.

Let me get this straight: You're actually DEFENDING Kerry? The guy who called our soldiers "terrorists" while saying he supports the troops?

:bowrofl:

You know David, you have the right to engage in a civil debate about the topic. What you lack is the capacity.
 
Interesting article on your source, NewsMax

http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/stories/2002/nmcorrupt.htm

"Is NewsMax Corrupt?
By Terry Krepel
Posted 9/6/2002

Using the standards NewsMax itself applies to the New York Times, absolutely...

For an organization whose journalistic values hover pretty close to those of its Florida tabloid neighbors, NewsMax sure does get all hot and bothered about the journalistic standards of others...

If distortion of another's views is all it takes to be a "corrupt institution," what does that make NewsMax?...

So corrupt it's the poster boy for a journalistic RICO statute.

Proof? Let's take a quick tour of the ConWebWatch archives:

* It distorts reality by running only negative news about its political enemies and avoiding bad news about its political friends.
* it spent a lot of time misrepresenting Judicial Watch press releases as NewsMax stories.
* NewsMax CEO Christopher Ruddy presented tabloid rumors as fact in stating the Clintons were selling their house in New York. Today, long after the story can be calling nothing but false, it remains on NewsMax, and it has never published a correction or apology. (Even the New York Times issued a clarification of its Kissinger article. When was the last time you saw NewsMax correct anything?)
* NewsMax tried to distort reality even more than usual immediately after the Sept. 11 attacks by ham-handedly denouncing anything that could be remotely construed as criticism of President Bush with terms starting with "anti-Americanism" and going all the way to "treason."

NewsMax's use of willful misrepresentation (that phrase is getting a workout here, isn't it?) continues as we speak in its distortion of remarks made by Bill Clinton to plug its latest anti-Clinton book. One recent headline promoting the book on NewsMax's front page declared, "Clinton Blamed America, Christians for 9-11." He, of course, did no such thing; he cited unpleasant events in American history such as slavery and the taking of land from Native Americans as an example of the long history of terror even as he expressed his support to President Bush's antiterror refforts. Even the Wall Street Journal defended Clinton on this, sort of. NewsMax would rather sell books than tell the truth.

NewsMax is so consumed by its biases and distortions that it no longer sees them for they are, if indeed it ever did. An example of this is a Sept. 3 column by Ruddy in which he notes that "A left-wing magazine recently made some snide remarks about NewsMax, noting that we are the heirs to the ideological legacy of Ronald Reagan." (What, Ruddy is suddenly offended by snide remarks?) The commentary to which Ruddy refers appeared in February in the American Prospect, and Ruddy distorts it horribly. That commentary, by Brendan Nyhan, never declared NewsMax "heirs to the ideological legacy of Ronald Reagan"; it cites NewsMax as proof that "the right's cynical exploitation of Ronald Reagan's legacy has always been something of a race to the bottom" and adding that "it's certainly questionable that (Reagan) would endorse NewsMax ... as the key to his legacy."

Then there's the occasional actual legal question involved, as with its recent overenthusiastic promotion of the re-election of New Hampshire Sen. Bob Smith. NewsMax toned it down considerably in recent days (not that ConWebWatch is taking credit...), but the "intellectual slovenliness" it employs in the service of its ideology is apparently too inbred to be stopped.

The lead of a Sept. 1 story gushes that "The latest statewide poll in New Hampshire shows U.S. Sen. Bob Smith in a virtual tie against challenger Congressman John Sununu." That's the last we hear of that poll in the story, the rest of which is dedicated to describing Smith's latest ad campaign. The poll statistics nor the poll's conductor are never mentioned.

Wherever it was conducted, it wasn't in a New Hampshire that exists in this particular universe, if another poll is any indication. This one, conducted in conjunction with New Hampshire's top TV station, puts Sununu a whopping 22 points ahead of Smith.

NewsMax is journalistically corrupt, all right -- but in an incompetent, John Gotti Jr. kind of way.
 
I'll do this, only because your new. But these tired, left-wing smear pieces are tiresome and hold little regard for truth.

I don't think anyone here would say that Newsmax doesn't have an ideology. It would appear to me that it has a conservative slant on it, and it does so in an unapologetic manner. When you see a Newsmax story you now what editorial perspective it is coming from. That's fine with me. This is in contrast to the false claims of impartiality, objectivity, and journalistic standards you'll find in most mainstream sources. If the New York Times stopped pretending to be objective and just publically recognized it's far-left agenda, there'd no longer be a problem with it.

The only issue that matters is whether Newsmax reports stories honestly and accurately. So how do you address this issue, by posting some piece of crap four year old article from a liberal blog?

wayfarers43 said:
"Is NewsMax Corrupt?
By Terry Krepel
Posted 9/6/2002

Using the standards NewsMax itself applies to the New York Times, absolutely...
And to start your article off, we see a typical liberal argument. Because this person feels that it's inappropriate for something to strive for a higher standard because they feel they have failed to meet those standards in the past. The cop-out argument of the left is "hypocrit."

The rest of the "article" is crap and not worth the effort of going through it line by line. As stated before, it's a crap liberal blog, written by a guy with a horribly weak argument.
 
im not gonna front i voted for kerry but i didnt want to see either of them idiots in office
we need a smart strong and dedicated man to get this country back together and back ontop my OPINION
 
A more eloquent indictment of NewsMax than even I could offer:

.... from a perspective down the middle of the fairway.

source: http://www.moderateindependent.com/v1i16tommy.htm

“Gen. Tommy Franks says that if the United States is hit with a weapon of mass destruction that inflicts large casualties, the Constitution will likely be discarded in favor of a military form of government.”

Left-Wing Media In An Uproar Over Report Taken From Right-Wing Media Source – But Does Either Side Have It Right (And Should We All Be Very Afraid?)

by Samuel A. Stanson


DECEMBER 12, 2003 - The above quote is taken from a right-wing news source called NewsMax. General Tommy Franks, the man who led our recent invasion of Iraq, was interviewed this month in Cigar Aficionado magazine (also a right-wing news source) and NewsMax did a story on the interview.

NewsMax wrote: “In (Cigar Aficionado magazine’s) December edition, the former commander of the military’s Central Command warned that if terrorists succeeded in using a weapon of mass destruction (WMD) against the U.S. or one of our allies, it would likely have catastrophic consequences for our cherished republican form of government.”

Their lead-in paragraph was even starker: “Gen. Tommy Franks says that if the United States is hit with a weapon of mass destruction that inflicts large casualties, the Constitution will likely be discarded in favor of a military form of government.”

Now, go take a look at the NewsMax site. There is no question it is a heavily right-wing biased news source.

They go on to assert: “Already, critics of the U.S. Patriot Act, rushed through Congress in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks, have argued that the law aims to curtail civil liberties and sets a dangerous precedent. But Franks’ scenario goes much further. He is the first high-ranking official to openly speculate that the Constitution could be scrapped in favor of a military form of government.”

Well, numerous left-wing news sources, websites, and commentators are in a fury over the comments. They are posting this NewsMax coverage of the Cigar Aficionado interview on their pages as a shocking, alarming warning; more proof that the Bush administration and people associated with it are out to turn us into a dictatorship – and on the verge of doing so. In fact, these quotes absolutely make it sound like they are just waiting for an excuse to get rid of the Constitution and impose “martial law,” as Tina Brown of the Washington Post (link: Paris Hilton, In An Age Beyond Embarrassment) deemed Franks’ comments to be speaking of.

In fact, if you look at the report from NewsMax, backed up and supported by direct quotes from General Franks, you can easily get alarmed that there is something very devious afoot.

But while in many ways this Bush administration is clearly acting as if they find our Constitutionally guaranteed freedoms are a hindrance, General Franks in no way says what they say he says, even if the quotes are entirely accurate. In fact, the General Franks interview is positive and negative for both the Bush side and the opposition.

How can such an alarming statement not be as bad as it sounds? Well, it comes down to one misrepresentative word and one omitted sentence.

Notice above in both of the first two quotes from NewsMax the word “likely.”

“… Franks says that if the United States is hit with a weapon of mass … the Constitution will likely be discarded.”

“…warned that if terrorists succeeded in using a weapon of mass destruction (WMD)… it would likely have catastrophic consequences for our cherished republican form of government.”

The quotes they back it up with really seem to support this. Franks is quoted as saying (and, in fact, we checked the interview and he does): “If (terrorists use WMD’s,) Franks said, “... the Western world, the free world, loses what it cherishes most, and that is freedom and liberty we’ve seen for a couple of hundred years in this grand experiment that we call democracy.”

Wow, that sounds terrible. They then continue, quoting entirely accurately: “Franks then offered “in a practical sense” what he thinks would happen in the aftermath of such an attack. “It means the potential of a weapon of mass destruction and a terrorist, massive, casualty-producing event somewhere in the Western world – it may be in the United States of America – that causes our population to question our own Constitution and to begin to militarize our country in order to avoid a repeat of another mass, casualty-producing event. Which in fact, then begins to unravel the fabric of our Constitution. Two steps, very, very important.”

So if you are reading this, thinking this is what General Franks said will “likely” happen in the event of a WMD attack on the US – or even just on one of our allies – you might see it as the left-wing sites are seeing it, as General Franks tipping the Bush administration’s hand, accidentally spilling the beans of their secret plan to get rid of the entire Constitution the next chance they get.

Now remember, the news source that wrote this article, NewsMax, is a staunch Bush ally, and about as much of a right-wing puppet as a news source gets. So it seems unlikely they would make up something to sound so bad about their own side.

Well, as we like to say at The Moderate Independent, choose your news sources carefully. Just as a person who doesn’t see lying as wrong will lie for no reason other than they want to, it is no different with a news source. So while usually NewsMax bends the truth to make things sound good for the right, this time they twist things just to make a story seem exciting, important, and interesting, when in fact, the comments Franks made were not quite such a big deal.

No, General Franks never used the word “likely.” In fact, he made clear he was talking about the most extreme possibility and one of the two ultimate goals of terrorism.

Yes, NewsMax ignored the sentence preceding the above quotes, in which General Franks made clear that all he was going to do was lay out a worst-case scenario, the most extreme hypothetical he could think of as representing the ultimate goal of terrorists.

Describing why he felt the War on Terrorism was important, Franks explained that the terrorists had two aims: first, to affect the culture of a country, causing the people to alter their lives and for the country to lose, “what it cherishes most, and that is freedom and liberty we’ve seen for a couple of hundred years in this grand experiment that we call democracy.”

Oops. Nothing like the “likely” doomsday in the event of another attack that both right-wing NewsMax and the left wing alarmist press is making it out to be.

What about the second part of the General’s comments, about the “likely” “martial law” in the event of another attack?

Look at his comments again, this time realizing he is talking about the ultimate goal of terrorists and worst scenario he can imagine:

“In a practical sense… it means the potential of a weapon of mass destruction and a terrorist, massive, casualty-producing event somewhere in the Western world – it may be in the United States of America – that causes our population to question our own Constitution and to begin to militarize our country in order to avoid a repeat of another mass, casualty-producing event. Which in fact, then begins to unravel the fabric of our Constitution. Two steps, very, very important.”

Is this, in fact, alarming and more evidence, as the NewsMax article relates and the left-wing sites pick up, supporting what “critics of the U.S. Patriot Act,” are worried about, only that “Franks’ scenario goes much further?”

Clearly, no. It is just an answer most educated, properly-valued Americans would give if asked, “What do you think the worst result of terrorist attacks could be?” Most Americans would, and indeed have, said that it would be to destroy the freedom-enjoying country we are.

NewsMax is even playing on genuine concerns that the Bush administration has taken steps toward giving terrorists that victory with their freedom- and Constitution-attacking PATRIOT Act.

And then, just completely giving up on any semblance of truth, the story declares, entirely falsely, “He is the first high-ranking official to openly speculate that the Constitution could be scrapped in favor of a military form of government.”

This whole statement is just a fiction and distortion of the highest magnitude. Speaking in the general sense that General Franks was – discussing worst-case scenarios for terrorism – most, if not indeed all, high-ranking officials acknowledge that the ultimate goal of the terrorists is to get us to give up our Constitutionally guaranteed freedoms.

And the word “could” is a flat-out lie; General Franks never once said that this “could” happen. He was saying we must be vigilant and aggressive in the War on Terror to ensure that this never does happen, and he never, at any point, suggested that we would fail in that war or that, under any circumstances, this “could” happen to America. He only said that was the goal of the terrorists.

Yes, he spoke of it as a worst-case scenario possibility, but he never said that he saw this, “in a practical sense,” as something that could happen in America. He only said that “in a practical sense” that is what the terrorists want to achieve.

Now, the General does say a number of provocative things that are big news.

For example, he states plainly that he disagrees with President Bush and everyone else who chastises the French and Germans for not going along with us. They each have their own “interests” to look out for, he says, and he has respect for that, unlike the President and others who act as if the French and Germans are acting incomprehensibly and inexcusably.

He also disses the notion that Bill Clinton ran the military down. Franks says he does believe the military has been made to atrophy too much, but it was not Clinton, he clearly states, but the whole direction of things in the “post-Vietnam era.”

This also shines very well upon Franks, showing he is not a partisan – as he points out repeatedly – who will play the unfair game of saying everything was bad when Clinton was President and everything is perfect under Bush. In one breath he praises President Bush as “the best” type of Commander-In-Chief, but in the next he in effect slams the President and his administration politically by pointing out how unfair the claims are that Clinton had run the military into a reduced state of readiness – claims which Bush, Cheney, et. al used both in the 2000 campaign and since.

Franks shows himself to be a man of integrity, not a villainous man on the inside of a dastardly plot that has us a step away from losing our Constitutionally guaranteed freedoms. You can tell – and as he admits – he is very conservative, but he is conservative in the honest sense of the word, not in the Bush/Limbaugh distortive use of it. Franks has conservative values and ideologies, but isn’t unfair and dishonest, or political at all.

So, in this instance you see how important it is to choose your news sources wisely. Both the right-wing puppet press and the left-wing press are at fault. The right-wing press, so used to lying it is now like breathing for them, lied this time just to try and make an interesting, alarming story out of something not so big. And the left-wing press did not fact check or bother to spend the five dollars to buy the crappy, right-wing magazine carrying the interview and read to see if NewsMax was reporting things accurately. This is a big lesson for both right-wingers and lefties, and, indeed, for us Moderate Independents. Be careful who you trust, and don’t take up a cause without checking your facts first.

Kudos to Franks, who may be a conservative, but he is also clearly an independent. In both praising and criticizing the President’s policies, he shows what democracy is supposed to be, and what matters most to we apolitical independents: truth, and what is best for America.
 

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