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I just wanted to personally thank you for the outstanding job your representatives in Congress are doing for this Country. Please elect a few more Muslims (that are sworn in to office with their hand on the Koran) and left-wing nut jobs to represent you. It is so good to see all the great things you are accomplishing after having taken over control of the House and Senate. The people are obviously behind you. (snicker,snicker)
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http://blogs.usatoday.com/gallup/2007/06/what_do_hmos_an.html

New Gallup data show confidence in Congress at all time low

Just 14% of Americans have a great deal or quite a lot of confidence in Congress.

This 14% Congressional confidence rating is the all-time low for this measure, which Gallup initiated in 1973. The previous low point for Congress was 18% at several points in the period of time 1991 to 1994. [snip]
 
Kinda like the right wing nut job in the white house has so much support --

Oh -and I have absolutely no problem with muslims running for office. Radical islamists yes, muslims no.
 
Say what you want, but it looks like the President is nearly twice as popular as the Congress.:eek:
 
Lets face it... neither are very well liked right now; but it's kind of typical for the situation the country is in... doesn't matter who's in what office, no one will like them.
 
Lets face it... neither are very well liked right now;...

But I thought it was the Dem victory in '06 that was going to save the United States and the annointment of a Dem for PreZ in '08 that was going to save the world.:slap:
 
Kinda like the right wing nut job in the white house has so much support -- .

Really reaching to make that statement huh! If he was actually a right wing nut job, he would be the most respected President in the history of these United States.

Oh -and I have absolutely no problem with muslims running for office. Radical islamists yes, muslims no.
Glad you feel that way. I guess it's called the Rip Van Winkle syndrome. You'll be sleeping and then one day wake up and have to pray 5 times facing towards the east or your friend next door will cut off your head when you doze off again. Nice.
 
Glad you feel that way. I guess it's called the Rip Van Winkle syndrome. You'll be sleeping and then one day wake up and have to pray 5 times facing towards the east or your friend next door will cut off your head when you doze off again. Nice.
Your paranoia, xenophobia, and outright stupidity knows no bounds. You live in a fantasy world, and that makes you dangerous.

And by the way I haven't had my head in the sand. I have a job and a life. Weekdays are bad for me. I posted several things last Friday and no one responded all weekend. And this weekend I'm gonna be busy. Believe me, if I had the time, I'd be all over this garbage you people are posting. Problem is, I try to take the time to research stuff before I post, rather than just copy and paste the latest post from FReeperland. It takes time to separate the facts from the fiction.

You should try it some time.
 
Your paranoia, xenophobia, and outright stupidity knows no bounds. You live in a fantasy world, and that makes you dangerous.

That's what people said about Winston Churchill. Very aggressive personal attack. If I said something like that, Joey would be all over me telling me to back off.
And by the way I haven't had my head in the sand. I have a job and a life. Weekdays are bad for me. I posted several things last Friday and no one responded all weekend. And this weekend I'm gonna be busy. Believe me, if I had the time, I'd be all over this garbage you people are posting. Problem is, I try to take the time to research stuff before I post, rather than just copy and paste the latest post from FReeperland. It takes time to separate the facts from the fiction.

You should try it some time.

I've seen you make those excuses before.
If you're not going to back up your personal attacks with facts, why bother posting? In doing so, you only reinforce your entrenchment with the LWW ne'er-do-wells on this forum.
 
That's what people said about Winston Churchill. Very aggressive personal attack. If I said something like that, Joey would be all over me telling me to back off.

He's harmless. He pulls his head out of the ground every so often, pontificates without facts to make himself feel good and then sticks his head back into the ground.

When you have nothing to back up what you are saying, the best tactic of a liberal is to say you would p'own someone if only you had the time. If one were so passionate, I'm sure one could find the time. Hummm, let's see. I have 4 boys, run a couple companies, have an active social life meeting and converting lefties into more useful human beings and I can still find the time. And when I get my I-Phone, I'll even be more paranoid, more of a xenophobe, and hopefully even more convincingly outright stupid because I'll be able to log into FReeperland in full color anywhere I am. (Considering I have visited the Free Republic website 4 times in my life, that won't be too often.):D
 
If you're not going to back up your personal attacks with facts, why bother posting? In doing so, you only reinforce your entrenchment with the LWW ne'er-do-wells on this forum.
Are you accusing him of being a DBL? (Drive-By-Liberal). I'm aghast that he would want to take that title away from some of our more illustrious liberal counterparts here on the site that currently have their heads underground because they are fresh out of Bush-bashing rhetoric.:rolleyes:
 
Ok, it's a government of the people, without laws regarding which religion one must follow. Who gives a Shi'ite if there's a Muslim in office? It's not like they could pass a law forbidding Christianity. The Supreme Court would shoot that down in a heartbeat, if it even passed Congress without getting vetoed by the president.

I've got a plan (Final Solution) for you MonsterMark, I think you'll really enjoy the Amerika it would create. 1) Offer mandatory slave reparations in port cities on the East coast, then ship them back to Africa. 2) Build a 15 ft. tall fence with razor wire on top and guard towers every 30m with 2 M60's, and out from the fence 15m on both sides, with a mine field between the razor wire and fence, and build this all along the Mexico border, if anyone makes it through they get drafted into the Special Forces and sent to whatever country we're playing with at the time. 3) Open up Muslim season a few times a year. 4) Concentrate the Jews for easy extermination. 5)Get rid of anyone else who might happen to disagree with der Fuhrer.

F'in Nazi.
 
Ok, it's a government of the people, without laws regarding which religion one must follow. Who gives a Shi'ite if there's a Muslim in office? It's not like they could pass a law forbidding Christianity. The Supreme Court would shoot that down in a heartbeat, if it even passed Congress without getting vetoed by the president. [WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!]

I've got a plan (Final Solution) for you MonsterMark, I think you'll really enjoy the Amerika it would create. 1) Offer mandatory slave reparations in port cities on the East coast, then ship them back to Africa. 2) Build a 15 ft. tall fence with razor wire on top and guard towers every 30m with 2 M60's, and out from the fence 15m on both sides, with a mine field between the razor wire and fence, and build this all along the Mexico border, if anyone makes it through they get drafted into the Special Forces and sent to whatever country we're playing with at the time. 3) Open up Muslim season a few times a year. 4) Concentrate the Jews for easy extermination. 5)Get rid of anyone else who might happen to disagree with der Fuhrer.

F'in Nazi.

First of all, Dave, you are waaaaaay out of line here for calling someone a Nazi on this forum. It's against the rules and in very poor taste.

Second, I don't know about you, but I have no intention of allowing this country to become a nation governed by Islam. If you look around the world at Islamic governments, there is zero personal freedom and women are oppressed BIG TIME. Not to mention that Muslims DO PASS LAWS THAT FORBID CHRISTIANITY, and this is the case IN ALL ISLAMIC GOVERNMENTS. Besides, there are already laws in place that forbid Christians from freely expressing themselves, such as the hate speech laws in Philadelphia, which have resulted in Christians being arrested for talking to people on PUBLIC PROPERTY. So your argument is moot, since it evidently doesn't even take a muslim govt to accomplish that.

Third, imagine if you will that the neoNazis were running for office and one of them won an election and wanted to swear his oath of office on a copy of Hitler's Mein Kampf. Would you be okay with that? Would you be okay with allowing Nazis to run this country? There isn't any difference as far as the damage done to the ideals and freedoms of our citizens.

Please do take the time to read up on our nation's history and you will discover, since the public schools obviously omitted this part of your education, that this nation was founded by Christians and still is primarily a Christian nation. It is not acceptable for a small number of people to come in and impose their views on the rest of the majority of the population, and that is what Muslim leaders would do. While you're at it, sounds like you need to read up on the teachings of Mohammed as well, since it appears you know very little about Islam.

Quick quiz for you: What does the word ISLAM mean in Arabic?
 
Can you tell the difference, Joey? I say you cannot.


I say - we are not suppose to discriminate according to religon. I think I read that somewhere. Oh yeah, the CONSTITUTION.

Say what you want, but it looks like the President is nearly twice as popular as the Congress.:eek:


>30% popularity isnt exactly a ringing endorsement.

And Congress has had bad ratings for years - regardless of who wass in control, Dems or Repubs
 
Second, I don't know about you, but I have no intention of allowing this country to become a nation governed by Islam. If you look around the world at Islamic governments, there is zero personal freedom and women are oppressed BIG TIME. Not to mention that Muslims DO PASS LAWS THAT FORBID CHRISTIANITY, and this is the case IN ALL ISLAMIC GOVERNMENTS. Besides, there are already laws in place that forbid Christians from freely expressing themselves, such as the hate speech laws in Philadelphia, which have resulted in Christians being arrested for talking to people on PUBLIC PROPERTY. So your argument is moot, since it evidently doesn't even take a muslim govt to accomplish that.
So one Muslim being elected to congress equals an Islamic takeover of our entire government? Do you actually believe our government, let alone America itself, could ever be taken over by Islamic extremists? How far into the Twilight Zone do you actually live?

Third, imagine if you will that the neoNazis were running for office and one of them won an election and wanted to swear his oath of office on a copy of Hitler's Mein Kampf. Would you be okay with that? Would you be okay with allowing Nazis to run this country? There isn't any difference as far as the damage done to the ideals and freedoms of our citizens.
So it is OK for you to evoke naziism if it's to compare Islam to it. Your argument is ludicrous, since the scenerio would never happen in the first place.

Please do take the time to read up on our nation's history and you will discover, since the public schools obviously omitted this part of your education, that this nation was founded by Christians and still is primarily a Christian nation. It is not acceptable for a small number of people to come in and impose their views on the rest of the majority of the population, and that is what Muslim leaders would do. While you're at it, sounds like you need to read up on the teachings of Mohammed as well, since it appears you know very little about Islam.
If by "Christian Nation" you mean that most of the founders were Christians and that the population is mostly Christian, there's no argument with that. If you mean our nation and its laws were based on Biblical principles and that the founders wanted it to be governed by Christians, then it's you who needs to "read up on our nation's history", and not the revisionist pap that the hucksters, charlatans and false prophets want you to swallow.

I'm not aware of Keith Ellison trying to "impose" his views or religion on anybody. I'm sure if he did, he'd be kicked out of office in short order.

It's the the "Christian" zealots that want to transform our government and nation into something it never was before.
 
MonsterMark,
I take it you mean Keith Ellison 5th District MN ?

Not much to choose from in that race.
Dem
http://ellison.house.gov/
Independent.
http://tammyleeforcongress.blogspot.com/
Heres the rep. who ran.
http://fineforcongress.org/Media Gallery.htm

Fine was arrested by Minneapolis police and booked into the county jail for fifth-degree assault on June 2, 1995, according to the sealed police report obtained by the Star Tribune. Fine was shown the report and did not dispute its authenticity.

The report states that officers arrested Fine in his home at 3907 Zenith Av. S. after his then-wife told them that Fine had assaulted her. Police noted in the report that Fine had scratches on his face and chest. He was released from jail after several hours.

I dont vote in the 5th if I did I wouldnt have voted for a guy who goes toe to toe with his wife.
Would you ?
Tammy Lee didnt stand a chance as a Independent.
All of a sudden a Muslim dont look too bad, at least he didnt try to kick the $hit out of his wife.
 
I just wanted to personally thank you for the outstanding job your representatives in Congress are doing for this Country. Please elect a few more Muslims (that are sworn in to office with their hand on the Koran) and left-wing nut jobs to represent you. It is so good to see all the great things you are accomplishing after having taken over control of the House and Senate. The people are obviously behind you. (snicker,snicker)
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I blame the Republicans, if they had done their job, Democrats wouldn't be in control.

Do you really; I mean really care which religious book someone swears their oath on? Do you think everyone else who swears on the Bible is somehow divinely obliged/restrained to not lie, cheat or steal?
 
I say - we are not suppose to discriminate according to religon. I think I read that somewhere. Oh yeah, the CONSTITUTION.

Joey, that is THE most ignorant thing you have ever said on this forum. NOWHERE in the Constitution does it say that I cannot discriminate according to religion when I vote. Hell, if I want to, I can refuse to vote for somebody because his nose is too big or his ears are too floppy.

I will now wait without holding my breath while you go look that up. (Cue Jeopardy music...)

>30% popularity isnt exactly a ringing endorsement.

And Congress has had bad ratings for years - regardless of who wass in control, Dems or Repubs

Well, the Dems were ushered in with a sweeping mandate, right? And they made a bunch of promises, right? And what have they accomplished so far? ZIPPO. Just wasting all of the citizens' time and tax money.

And by the way, Congress' approval rating is the lowest it's been since BEFORE the election. So the Dems have to OWN their own bullcrap this time. Nice try though, being a Demolib apologist.
 
So one Muslim being elected to congress equals an Islamic takeover of our entire government? Do you actually believe our government, let alone America itself, could ever be taken over by Islamic extremists? How far into the Twilight Zone do you actually live?

So it is OK for you to evoke naziism if it's to compare Islam to it. Your argument is ludicrous, since the scenerio would never happen in the first place.

If by "Christian Nation" you mean that most of the founders were Christians and that the population is mostly Christian, there's no argument with that. If you mean our nation and its laws were based on Biblical principles and that the founders wanted it to be governed by Christians, then it's you who needs to "read up on our nation's history", and not the revisionist pap that the hucksters, charlatans and false prophets want you to swallow.

I'm not aware of Keith Ellison trying to "impose" his views or religion on anybody. I'm sure if he did, he'd be kicked out of office in short order.

It's the the "Christian" zealots that want to transform our government and nation into something it never was before.

There you go with your driveby posting again. Not one single solitary fact in your post EXCEPT where you agree with me. Nothing but assertions and ad hominem attacks.

To coin a phrase, you are using empty rhetoric. Boring.


The First Charter of Virginia (granted by King James I, on April 10, 1606)
• We, greatly commending, and graciously accepting of, their Desires for the Furtherance of so noble a Work, which may, by the Providence of Almighty God, hereafter tend to the Glory of his Divine Majesty, in propagating of Christian Religion to such People, as yet live in Darkness and miserable Ignorance of the true Knowledge and Worship of God…
Instructions for the Virginia Colony (1606)
Lastly and chiefly the way to prosper and achieve good success is to make yourselves all of one mind for the good of your country and your own, and to serve and fear God the Giver of all Goodness, for every plantation which our Heavenly Father hath not planted shall be rooted out.

William Bradford
• wrote that they [the Pilgrims] were seeking:
• 1) "a better, and easier place of living”; and that “the children of the group were being drawn away by evil examples into extravagance and dangerous courses [in Holland]“
• 2) “The great hope, and for the propagating and advancing the gospel of the kingdom of Christ in those remote parts of the world"
The Mayflower Compact (authored by William Bradford) 1620 | Signing of the Mayflower painting | Picture of Compact
“Having undertaken, for the glory of God, and advancement of the Christian faith, and honor of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the northern parts of Virginia, do by these presents solemnly and mutually, in the presence of God, and one of another, covenant and combine our selves together…”
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John Adams and John Hancock:
We Recognize No Sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus! [April 18, 1775]

John Adams:
“ The general principles upon which the Fathers achieved independence were the general principals of Christianity… I will avow that I believed and now believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.”
• “[July 4th] ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty.”
–John Adams in a letter written to Abigail on the day the Declaration was approved by Congress

"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." --October 11, 1798

"I have examined all religions, as well as my narrow sphere, my straightened means, and my busy life, would allow; and the result is that the Bible is the best Book in the world. It contains more philosophy than all the libraries I have seen." December 25, 1813 letter to Thomas Jefferson

"Without Religion this World would be Something not fit to be mentioned in polite Company, I mean Hell." [John Adams to Thomas Jefferson, April 19, 1817] |
.......click here to see this quote in its context and to see John Adams' quotes taken OUT of context!


Samuel Adams: | Portrait of Sam Adams | Powerpoint presentation on John, John Quincy, and Sam Adams
“ He who made all men hath made the truths necessary to human happiness obvious to all… Our forefathers opened the Bible to all.” [ "American Independence," August 1, 1776. Speech delivered at the State House in Philadelphia]

“ Let divines and philosophers, statesmen and patriots, unite their endeavors to renovate the age by impressing the minds of men with the importance of educating their little boys and girls, inculcating in the minds of youth the fear and love of the Deity… and leading them in the study and practice of the exalted virtues of the Christian system.” [October 4, 1790]

John Quincy Adams:
• “Why is it that, next to the birthday of the Savior of the world, your most joyous and most venerated festival returns on this day [the Fourth of July]?" “Is it not that, in the chain of human events, the birthday of the nation is indissolubly linked with the birthday of the Savior? That it forms a leading event in the progress of the Gospel dispensation? Is it not that the Declaration of Independence first organized the social compact on the foundation of the Redeemer's mission upon earth? That it laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity"?
--1837, at the age of 69, when he delivered a Fourth of July speech at Newburyport, Massachusetts.

“The Law given from Sinai [The Ten Commandments] was a civil and municipal as well as a moral and religious code.”
John Quincy Adams. Letters to his son. p. 61

Elias Boudinot: | Portrait of Elias Boudinot
“ Be religiously careful in our choice of all public officers . . . and judge of the tree by its fruits.”

Charles Carroll - signer of the Declaration of Independence | Portrait of Charles Carroll
" Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure...are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments." [Source: To James McHenry on November 4, 1800.]

Benjamin Franklin: | Portrait of Ben Franklin
“ God governs in the affairs of man. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid? We have been assured in the Sacred Writings that except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it. I firmly believe this. I also believe that, without His concurring aid, we shall succeed in this political building no better than the builders of Babel” –Constitutional Convention of 1787 | original manuscript of this speech

“In the beginning of the contest with Britain, when we were sensible of danger, we had daily prayers in this room for Divine protection. Our prayers, Sir, were heard, and they were graciously answered… do we imagine we no longer need His assistance?” [Constitutional Convention, Thursday June 28, 1787]

In Benjamin Franklin's 1749 plan of education for public schools in Pennsylvania, he insisted that schools teach "the excellency of the Christian religion above all others, ancient or modern."

In 1787 when Franklin helped found Benjamin Franklin University, it was dedicated as "a nursery of religion and learning, built on Christ, the Cornerstone."

Alexander Hamilton:
• Hamilton began work with the Rev. James Bayard to form the Christian Constitutional Society to help spread over the world the two things which Hamilton said made America great:
(1) Christianity
(2) a Constitution formed under Christianity.
“The Christian Constitutional Society, its object is first: The support of the Christian religion. Second: The support of the United States.”

On July 12, 1804 at his death, Hamilton said, “I have a tender reliance on the mercy of the Almighty, through the merits of the Lord Jesus Christ. I am a sinner. I look to Him for mercy; pray for me.”

"For my own part, I sincerely esteem it [the Constitution] a system which without the finger of God, never could have been suggested and agreed upon by such a diversity of interests." [1787 after the Constitutional Convention]

"I have carefully examined the evidences of the Christian religion, and if I was sitting as a juror upon its authenticity I would unhesitatingly give my verdict in its favor. I can prove its truth as clearly as any proposition ever submitted to the mind of man."

John Hancock:
• “In circumstances as dark as these, it becomes us, as Men and Christians, to reflect that whilst every prudent measure should be taken to ward off the impending judgments, …at the same time all confidence must be withheld from the means we use; and reposed only on that God rules in the armies of Heaven, and without His whole blessing, the best human counsels are but foolishness… Resolved; …Thursday the 11th of May…to humble themselves before God under the heavy judgments felt and feared, to confess the sins that have deserved them, to implore the Forgiveness of all our transgressions, and a spirit of repentance and reformation …and a Blessing on the … Union of the American Colonies in Defense of their Rights [for which hitherto we desire to thank Almighty God]…That the people of Great Britain and their rulers may have their eyes opened to discern the things that shall make for the peace of the nation…for the redress of America’s many grievances, the restoration of all her invaded liberties, and their security to the latest generations.
"A Day of Fasting, Humiliation and Prayer, with a total abstinence from labor and recreation. Proclamation on April 15, 1775"

Patrick Henry:
"Orator of the Revolution."
• This is all the inheritance I can give my dear family. The religion of Christ can give them one which will make them rich indeed.”
—The Last Will and Testament of Patrick Henry

“It cannot be emphasized too clearly and too often that this nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason, peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.” [May 1765 Speech to the House of Burgesses]

“The Bible is worth all other books which have ever been printed.”

John Jay:
“ Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.” Source: October 12, 1816. The Correspondence and Public Papers of John Jay, Henry P. Johnston, ed., (New York: Burt Franklin, 1970), Vol. IV, p. 393.

“Whether our religion permits Christians to vote for infidel rulers is a question which merits more consideration than it seems yet to have generally received either from the clergy or the laity. It appears to me that what the prophet said to Jehoshaphat about his attachment to Ahab ["Shouldest thou help the ungodly and love them that hate the Lord?" 2 Chronicles 19:2] affords a salutary lesson.” [The Correspondence and Public Papers of John Jay, 1794-1826, Henry P. Johnston, editor (New York: G.P. Putnam's Sons, 1893), Vol. IV, p.365]

Thomas Jefferson:
“ The doctrines of Jesus are simple, and tend to all the happiness of man.”

“Of all the systems of morality, ancient or modern which have come under my observation, none appears to me so pure as that of Jesus.”

"I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus."

“God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are a gift from God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, and that His justice cannot sleep forever.” (excerpts are inscribed on the walls of the Jefferson Memorial in the nations capital) [Source: Merrill . D. Peterson, ed., Jefferson Writings, (New York: Literary Classics of the United States, Inc., 1984), Vol. IV, p. 289. From Jefferson’s Notes on the State of Virginia, Query XVIII, 1781.]

Samuel Johnston:
• “It is apprehended that Jews, Mahometans (Muslims), pagans, etc., may be elected to high offices under the government of the United States. Those who are Mahometans, or any others who are not professors of the Christian religion, can never be elected to the office of President or other high office, [unless] first the people of America lay aside the Christian religion altogether, it may happen. Should this unfortunately take place, the people will choose such men as think as they do themselves.
[Elliot’s Debates, Vol. IV, pp 198-199, Governor Samuel Johnston, July 30, 1788 at the North Carolina Ratifying Convention]

James Madison
“ We’ve staked our future on our ability to follow the Ten Commandments with all of our heart.”

“We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We’ve staked the future of all our political institutions upon our capacity…to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God.” [1778 to the General Assembly of the State of Virginia]

• I have sometimes thought there could not be a stronger testimony in favor of religion or against temporal enjoyments, even the most rational and manly, than for men who occupy the most honorable and gainful departments and [who] are rising in reputation and wealth, publicly to declare the unsatisfactoriness [of temportal enjoyments] by becoming fervent advocates in the cause of Christ; and I wish you may give in your evidence in this way.
Letter by Madison to William Bradford (September 25, 1773)
• In 1812, President Madison signed a federal bill which economically aided the Bible Society of Philadelphia in its goal of the mass distribution of the Bible.
“ An Act for the relief of the Bible Society of Philadelphia” Approved February 2, 1813 by Congress

“It is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian forbearance, love, and charity toward each other.”

• A watchful eye must be kept on ourselves lest, while we are building ideal monuments of renown and bliss here, we neglect to have our names enrolled in the Annals of Heaven. [Letter by Madison to William Bradford [urging him to make sure of his own salvation] November 9, 1772]

At the Constitutional Convention of 1787, James Madison proposed the plan to divide the central government into three branches. He discovered this model of government from the Perfect Governor, as he read Isaiah 33:22;
“For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver,
the LORD is our king;
He will save us.”
[Baron Charles Montesquieu, wrote in 1748; “Nor is there liberty if the power of judging is not separated from legislative power and from executive power. If it [the power of judging] were joined to legislative power, the power over life and liberty of the citizens would be arbitrary, for the judge would be the legislature if it were joined to the executive power, the judge could have the force of an oppressor. All would be lost if the same … body of principal men … exercised these three powers." Madison claimed Isaiah 33:22 as the source of division of power in government
See also: pp.241-242 in Teaching and Learning America’s Christian History: The Principle approach by Rosalie Slater]

James McHenry – Signer of the Constitution
Public utility pleads most forcibly for the general distribution of the Holy Scriptures. The doctrine they preach, the obligations they impose, the punishment they threaten, the rewards they promise, the stamp and image of divinity they bear, which produces a conviction of their truths, can alone secure to society, order and peace, and to our courts of justice and constitutions of government, purity, stability and usefulness. In vain, without the Bible, we increase penal laws and draw entrenchments around our institutions. Bibles are strong entrenchments. Where they abound, men cannot pursue wicked courses, and at the same time enjoy quiet conscience.

Jedediah Morse:
"To the kindly influence of Christianity we owe that degree of civil freedom, and political and social happiness which mankind now enjoys. . . . Whenever the pillars of Christianity shall be overthrown, our present republican forms of government, and all blessings which flow from them, must fall with them."

John Peter Gabriel Muhlenberg
In a sermon delivered to his Virginia congregation on Jan. 21, 1776, he preached from Ecclesiastes 3.
Arriving at verse 8, which declares that there is a time of war and a time of peace, Muhlenberg noted that this surely was not the time of peace; this was the time of war. Concluding with a prayer, and while standing in full view of the congregation, he removed his clerical robes to reveal that beneath them he was wearing the uniform of an officer in the Continental army! He marched to the back of the church; ordered the drum to beat for recruits and over three hundred men joined him, becoming the Eighth Virginia Brigade. John Peter Muhlenberg finished the Revolution as a Major-General, having been at Valley Forge and having participated in the battles of Brandywine, Germantown, Monmouth, Stonypoint, and Yorktown.

Thomas Paine:
“ It has been the error of the schools to teach astronomy, and all the other sciences, and subjects of natural philosophy, as accomplishments only; whereas they should be taught theologically, or with reference to the Being who is the author of them: for all the principles of science are of divine origin. Man cannot make, or invent, or contrive principles: he can only discover them; and he ought to look through the discovery to the Author.”
“ The evil that has resulted from the error of the schools, in teaching natural philosophy as an accomplishment only, has been that of generating in the pupils a species of atheism. Instead of looking through the works of creation to the Creator himself, they stop short, and employ the knowledge they acquire to create doubts of his existence. They labour with studied ingenuity to ascribe every thing they behold to innate properties of matter, and jump over all the rest by saying, that matter is eternal.” “The Existence of God--1810”

Benjamin Rush:
• “I lament that we waste so much time and money in punishing crimes and take so little pains to prevent them…we neglect the only means of establishing and perpetuating our republican forms of government; that is, the universal education of our youth in the principles of Christianity by means of the Bible; for this Divine Book, above all others, constitutes the soul of republicanism.” “By withholding the knowledge of [the Scriptures] from children, we deprive ourselves of the best means of awakening moral sensibility in their minds.” [Letter written (1790’s) in Defense of the Bible in all schools in America]
• “Christianity is the only true and perfect religion.”
• “If moral precepts alone could have reformed mankind, the mission of the Son of God into our world would have been unnecessary.”

"Let the children who are sent to those schools be taught to read and write and above all, let both sexes be carefully instructed in the principles and obligations of the Christian religion. This is the most essential part of education”
Letters of Benjamin Rush, "To the citizens of Philadelphia: A Plan for Free Schools", March 28, 1787

Justice Joseph Story:
“ I verily believe Christianity necessary to the support of civil society. One of the beautiful boasts of our municipal jurisprudence is that Christianity is a part of the Common Law. . . There never has been a period in which the Common Law did not recognize Christianity as lying its foundations.”
[Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States p. 593]
“ Infidels and pagans were banished from the halls of justice as unworthy of credit.” [Life and letters of Joseph Story, Vol. II 1851, pp. 8-9.]
“ At the time of the adoption of the constitution, and of the amendment to it, now under consideration [i.e., the First Amendment], the general, if not the universal sentiment in America was, that Christianity ought to receive encouragement from the state, so far as was not incompatible with the private rights of conscience, and the freedom of religious worship.”
[Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States p. 593]

Noah Webster:
“ The duties of men are summarily comprised in the Ten Commandments, consisting of two tables; one comprehending the duties which we owe immediately to God-the other, the duties we owe to our fellow men.”

“In my view, the Christian religion is the most important and one of the first things in which all children, under a free government ought to be instructed...No truth is more evident to my mind than that the Christian religion must be the basis of any government intended to secure the rights and privileges of a free people.”
[Source: 1828, in the preface to his American Dictionary of the English Language]

Let it be impressed on your mind that God commands you to choose for rulers just men who will rule in the fear of God [Exodus 18:21]. . . . If the citizens neglect their duty and place unprincipled men in office, the government will soon be corrupted . . . If our government fails to secure public prosperity and happiness, it must be because the citizens neglect the Divine commands, and elect bad men to make and administer the laws. [Noah Webster, The History of the United States (New Haven: Durrie and Peck, 1832), pp. 336-337, 49]

“All the miseries and evils which men suffer from vice, crime, ambition, injustice, oppression, slavery and war, proceed from their despising or neglecting the precepts contained in the Bible.” [Noah Webster. History. p. 339]

“The Bible was America’s basic textbook
in all fields.” [Noah Webster. Our Christian Heritage p.5]

“Education is useless without the Bible” [Noah Webster. Our Christian Heritage p.5 ]

George Washington:

Farewell Address: The name of American, which belongs to you, in your national capacity, must always exalt the just pride of Patriotism, more than any appellation derived from local discriminations. With slight shades of difference, you have the same religion" ...and later: "...reason and experience both forbid us to expect, that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle..."


“ It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and Bible.”

“What students would learn in American schools above all is the religion of Jesus Christ.” [speech to the Delaware Indian Chiefs May 12, 1779]

"To the distinguished character of patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian" [May 2, 1778, at Valley Forge]

During his inauguration, Washington took the oath as prescribed by the Constitution but added several religious components to that official ceremony. Before taking his oath of office, he summoned a Bible on which to take the oath, added the words “So help me God!” to the end of the oath, then leaned over and kissed the Bible.

Nelly Custis-Lewis (Washington’s adopted daughter):
Is it necessary that any one should [ask], “Did General Washington avow himself to be a believer in Christianity?" As well may we question his patriotism, his heroic devotion to his country. His mottos were, "Deeds, not Words"; and, "For God and my Country."

“ O Most Glorious God, in Jesus Christ, my merciful and loving Father; I acknowledge and confess my guilt in the weak and imperfect performance of the duties of this day. I have called on Thee for pardon and forgiveness of my sins, but so coldly and carelessly that my prayers are become my sin, and they stand in need of pardon.”
“ I have sinned against heaven and before Thee in thought, word, and deed. I have contemned Thy majesty and holy laws. I have likewise sinned by omitting what I ought to have done and committing what I ought not. I have rebelled against the light, despising Thy mercies and judgment, and broken my vows and promise. I have neglected the better things. My iniquities are multiplied and my sins are very great. I confess them, O Lord, with shame and sorrow, detestation and loathing and desire to be vile in my own eyes as I have rendered myself vile in Thine. I humbly beseech Thee to be merciful to me in the free pardon of my sins for the sake of Thy dear Son and only Savior Jesus Christ who came to call not the righteous, but sinners to repentance. Thou gavest Thy Son to die for me.”
[George Washington; from a 24 page authentic handwritten manuscript book dated April 21-23, 1752
William J. Johnson George Washington, the Christian (New York: The Abingdon Press, New York & Cincinnati, 1919), pp. 24-35.]

"Although guided by our excellent Constitution in the discharge of official duties, and actuated, through the whole course of my public life, solely by a wish to promote the best interests of our country; yet, without the beneficial interposition of the Supreme Ruler of the Universe, we could not have reached the distinguished situation which we have attained with such unprecedented rapidity. To HIM, therefore, should we bow with gratitude and reverence, and endeavor to merit a continuance of HIS special favors". [1797 letter to John Adams]

James Wilson:
Signer of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution
Supreme Court Justice appointed by George Washington
Spoke 168 times during the Constitutional Convention

"Christianity is part of the common law"
[Sources: James Wilson, Course of Lectures [vol 3, p.122]; and quoted in Updegraph v. The Commonwealth, 11 Serg, & R. 393, 403 (1824).]

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Public Institutions
Liberty Bell Inscription:
“ Proclaim liberty throughout the land and to all the inhabitants thereof” [Leviticus 25:10]

Proposals for the seal of the United States of America
• “Moses lifting his wand and dividing the Red Sea” –Ben Franklin

• “The children of Israel in the wilderness, led by a cloud by day and a pillar of fire by night.” --Thomas Jefferson

On July 4, 1776, Congress appointed Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams "to bring in a device for a seal for the United States of America." Franklin's proposal adapted the biblical story of the parting of the Red Sea. Jefferson first recommended the "Children of Israel in the Wilderness, led by a Cloud by Day, and a Pillar of Fire by night. . . ." He then embraced Franklin's proposal and rewrote it

Jefferson's revision of Franklin's proposal was presented by the committee to Congress on August 20, 1776.

Another popular proposal to the Great Seal of the United States was:
" Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God"; with Pharoah's army drowning in the Red Sea

The three branches of the U.S. Government: Judicial, Legislative, Executive
• At the Constitutional Convention of 1787, James Madison proposed the plan to divide the central government into three branches. He discovered this model of government from the Perfect Governor, as he read Isaiah 33:22;
“For the LORD is our judge,
the LORD is our lawgiver,
the LORD is our king;
He will save us.”

Article 22 of the constitution of Delaware (1776)
Required all officers, besides taking an oath of allegiance, to make and subscribe to the following declaration:
• "I, [name], do profess faith in God the Father, and in Jesus Christ His only Son, and in the Holy Ghost, one God, blessed for evermore; and I do acknowledge the Holy Scriptures of the Old and New Testament to be given by divine inspiration."

New York Spectator. August 23, 1831
“ The court of common pleas of Chester county, [New York] rejected a witness who declared his disbelief in the existence of God. The presiding judge remarked that he had not before been aware that there was a man living who did not believe in the existence of God; that this belief constituted the sanction of all testimony in a court of justice: and that he knew of no cause in a Christian country where a witness had been permitted to testify without such belief.

New England Primer:
Used in public and private schools from 1690 to 1900 second only to the Bible
Some of its contents:
A song of praise to God
Prayers in Jesus’ name
The famous Bible alphabet
Shorter Catechism of faith in Christ

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If you mean our nation and its laws were based on Biblical principles and that the founders wanted it to be governed by Christians, then it's you who needs to "read up on our nation's history", and not the revisionist pap that the hucksters, charlatans and false prophets want you to swallow.

Not very accurate...
 
>30% popularity isnt exactly a ringing endorsement.

And Congress has had bad ratings for years - regardless of who wass in control, Dems or Repubs

That was sort-of the joke. At about 25-30%, he has twice the popularity of the recently elected "Democrat Majority Congress."

And, yes, the congress has had bad ratings for years. Do you think that's because they're too liberal or too conservative?
 
Actually - at PollingReport.com - newsweek is listing both Congress and the President at 25%

Im not exactly sure why - and I really dont think it has to do with conservative or liberal. I think it has to do with being perceived as getting anything done.

I dont know about anyone else - but - Congress, President - in my eyes neither has really accomplished much except politics. Too much pork, too much spending, no real war progress, no progress on health care, all this bickering etc etc. Whats there to approve of on either congress or the President? Not alot - cause not alot has been accomplished. At least not much that we can tangibly see.
 
Actually - at PollingReport.com - newsweek is listing both Congress and the President at 25%

Im not exactly sure why - and I really dont think it has to do with conservative or liberal. I think it has to do with being perceived as getting anything done.

I dont know about anyone else - but - Congress, President - in my eyes neither has really accomplished much except politics. Too much pork, too much spending, no real war progress, no progress on health care, all this bickering etc etc. Whats there to approve of on either congress or the President? Not alot - cause not alot has been accomplished. At least not much that we can tangibly see.

Typical liberal tactic of trying to lump the President in with Congress' approval rating. Sorry, Joey, but this thread is about the Democratic-CONTROLLED Congress. So if there's nothing getting done, you can lay the blame squarely on the wimpified shoulders of the Democrats WHO ARE IN CONTROL. If this was a Republican Congress you would be doing just that.

As far as your comment about war progress, you really need to be tuning in to Michael Yon's website. He's embedded in with the surge right now, and can attest to the exact progress that's happening. Furthermore, it's not Congress' job to make the war go well. It's their job to FUND it. It's the President's and the generals' jobs to win the war. Get that straight.

As far as progress on health care, this is a free market. As such, the government is supposed to stay out of health care.

I agree with you on the spending and pork, but again, the DEMOCRATS are in charge, so THEY take the blame.
 

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