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So the Justice Department is going to look into the leaks of Bush's spying. CNN devotes 3 truncated paragraphs to the actual story and spends the rest of the article spinning and spinning.

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Justice Department has opened an investigation into leaks to the media about the classified domestic National Security Agency surveillance program.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/12/30/nsa.leak/



Where is the OUTRAGE over leaks of classified information? I mean come-on. The LEFT got all frothy because some babe in the CIA was revealed as being no longer being an undercover agent. Wow. What a story! Let's put aside the fact that her husband was and continues to be a liar.

So how is it that the LEFT is on the wrong side of EVERY ISSUE? How can the LEFT be so blatantly and patently stupid? You would think they might get something right at some point based on the law of averages but they seem to be steely and determined to be butt chunks day in and day out. Good grief.

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That's how evil is, Bryan. Constantly and consistently opposed to anything that is right, honest, fair, and good. So quick to point out the speck in your eye, while ignoring the tree trunk in their own.
 
fossten said:
That's how evil is, Bryan. Constantly and consistently opposed to anything that is right, honest, fair, and good. So quick to point out the speck in your eye, while ignoring the tree trunk in their own.

So if the Left is evil, that would make the Right good?
 
fossten said:
You said it, not me.

Actually you did, but in a wiggle wriggle squiggle way... I just spelled it out clearly and I put in the the form of a question to you.
 
The RIGHT is right almost all of the time.

IF it were not for the liberal media bias where the truth is constantly distorted, people would leave the Democratic party in droves. Right now they don't know any better than they are told. Plus, many Democrats are Democrats for no other reason than that is all they know. Their parents and grandparents were, so they just follow along like sheep. Baaaah.

Let's us examine a recent article shall we?

See the whole NYT tomb here.

U.S. Growth May Hinge on Businesses
By LOUIS UCHITELLE
Published: December 30, 2005

The housing market is gradually fading as a prop for the economy, eroding a source of increased wealth that allowed consumers to borrow and spend avidly in recent years.

Meanwhile, the bond market, where short-term interest rates are now slightly above long-term rates in what is known as an inverted yield curve, suggests that the economy is headed for a sharp slowdown, perhaps even a recession. The stock market rally earlier this year has petered out.

So why do most forecasters predict that economic growth will remain relatively strong next year? Perhaps because they are counting on other sectors that have been relatively weak - particularly stepped-up business investment - to help sustain the robust expansion of the last 30 months. [Wow, wee! 1st time that has ever been reported in the NYT or anywhere else in the mainstream media for that matter.]

"I think the surprise will be that housing prices and housing sales will decelerate, but the economy will do just fine," said Richard Berner, chief domestic economist for Morgan Stanley.

Mr. Berner is not alone in his optimism. Despite some worrisome indicators, only a handful of the 53 economists surveyed by Blue Chip Economic Indicators predict that the growth rate in 2006 will drop much below the 3.7 percent average so far this year.

That outlook also assumes that consumer spending, deprived of the lift from rising home prices and mortgage refinancing, will not drop very much.

Despite high debt levels, it is still safe to say that Americans will somehow continue to buy on credit, and with energy prices falling, wages now diverted to gasoline purchases should be freed up to spend on the array of goods and services that drives the economy.

"One of the big stories today is that people are so happy with $2 gas," said Richard T. Curtin, director of the Surveys of Consumers at the University of Michigan, explaining a big jump in consumer confidence this month. "There is nothing better than a relative price decrease."

Forecasters are notorious for missing major turning points in the economy. Still, as home construction and home sales subside and consumer spending eases off, most experts see a different powerhouse kicking in to keep the economy on its upward path. The prime candidate is capital investment - the spending by business on all the equipment and facilities needed for production.

Business contributed powerfully to the boom of the late 1990's [Geee, I thought it was Clinton’s increased taxes that did that] by investing generously in high-tech machinery and computers, but then cut back sharply in the dot-com bust, helping to weaken the economy. [Yes, yes, yes. The bust happened on Clinton’s watch and Bush inherited it. More truth].

Now an upturn in this spending in the spring and summer months has raised expectations that corporate America has finally begun to replace aging and outdated equipment, drawing on record profits to do so. [So America is prosperous? How can that be?]

"Business has tons and tons of capability to spend," said James W. Paulsen, chief investment strategist at Wells Capital Management in Minneapolis. "The longer the recovery keeps going and stock prices go up, the more and more confident business is going to become and the more it will spend on its operations."

[But of course, we must rain on the parade, lest we not be the NYT] The anecdotal evidence is mixed on this score. Verizon, for example, invested $15 billion this year to expand its wireless system and start building a fiber optic network that will allow it to compete more directly with cable television providers. [snip]

[Here’s more great news …] Rapid inventory depletion since July should prompt retailers and wholesalers to restock their shelves and warehouses, increasing production with their orders. At the state level, budget surpluses, or smaller deficits – unexpected a year ago - have already resulted in more public spendingWow again. I can't believe they admitted that.
[snip]

(Page 2 of 2)

Forecasters tend to see the economic glass as half full rather than half empty, and they have reason for that optimism. The economy has grown - expanding its output of goods and services - every year but one since 1990.

Even in 2001, a year in which a recession occurred, there was enough growth to offset the contraction in two of the quarters. Moreover, consumers kept spending at an ever-greater rate right through the relatively brief downturn.

Given this history, nothing in the current array of statistics, short of a crash in housing prices, suggests that a recession is in the offing. To the contrary, the consensus forecast is that the gross domestic product will grow by a respectable 3.4 percent in 2006, Blue Chip reports.

[snip]
 
95DevilleNS said:
So if the Left is evil, that would make the Right good?

No, the left doesn't make the right good. The right makes the right good. The left just helps illustrate the deep contrast b/t good and evil.
 
MonsterMark said:
So the Justice Department is going to look into the leaks of Bush's spying. CNN devotes 3 truncated paragraphs to the actual story and spends the rest of the article spinning and spinning.

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Justice Department has opened an investigation into leaks to the media about the classified domestic National Security Agency surveillance program.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/12/30/nsa.leak/



Where is the OUTRAGE over leaks of classified information? I mean come-on. The LEFT got all frothy because some babe in the CIA was revealed as being no longer being an undercover agent. Wow. What a story! Let's put aside the fact that her husband was and continues to be a liar.

So how is it that the LEFT is on the wrong side of EVERY ISSUE? How can the LEFT be so blatantly and patently stupid? You would think they might get something right at some point based on the law of averages but they seem to be steely and determined to be butt chunks day in and day out. Good grief.



Big difference in the reasons for the leaks. In the Plame case the info was leaked by the Shrub administration as an attack on someone who spoke out against the war with knowledge that one of the points being used to justify the war was false. In the case of the NSA, though we don't know for sure as yet, it appears the info was leaked because of concern that the Shrubbites were breaking the law, which it appears they were.
 
97silverlsc said:
Big difference in the reasons for the leaks. In the Plame case the info was leaked by the Shrub administration as an attack on someone who spoke out against the war with knowledge that one of the points being used to justify the war was false. In the case of the NSA, though we don't know for sure as yet, it appears the info was leaked because of concern that the Shrubbites were breaking the law, which it appears they were.

1st of all, NOBODY knows who leaked the name now do we? Come on, be honest with yourself. This is a test.

2nd. The undercover agent's husband fabricated a lie against the administration to make them look bad because he is a wacko left nutcase.

3rd. If the Bushies did leak it, bravo. Paybacks can be he l l.

4th. It will be proven that the Presidents, just like Clinton, Reagan, and Carter before Bush all did the same thing and all argued they had the power to do it.

5th. No law broken. Bravo for maybe spying even more than I thought. The more the better. Makes me feel better that they would be doing everything and anything to keep us safe. Only the bad guys need to worry.

Keep pushing this story. Keep the Democrats out front on this. Put everybody on the record. This is the defining issue for the 2006 elections. Go for it Dems. Commit suicide. Pull the trigger.
 
MonsterMark said:
2nd. The undercover agent's husband fabricated a lie against the administration to make them look bad because he is a wacko left nutcase.
It's been shown repeatedly that he wasn't lying and that the documents Shrub & Co. used were forgeries. He reported that there was no evidence that Iraq tried to purchase the yellow cake and was ignored. He spoke out as a matter of conscience, not out of political motivation, after his report was ignored.

MonsterMark said:
3rd. If the Bushies did leak it, bravo. Paybacks can be he l l.
This is probably one of the most assinine things you have ever said. The damage done by leaking such information is great. Not only did they out an agent involved in finding/suppressing WMDs, they jeopardized the lives of the contacts she dealt with in foreign countries. Knowing that the Shrubbys are willing to leak info concerning undercover agents for petty political payback, who in their right mind would want to help the US in any way? Truly assinine.

MonsterMark said:
4th. It will be proven that the Presidents, just like Clinton, Reagan, and Carter before Bush all did the same thing and all argued they had the power to do it.

Nixons the only one I know of for sure. Hope the outcome is the same.
 
97silverlsc said:
Big difference in the reasons for the leaks. In the Plame case the info was leaked by the Shrub administration as an attack on someone who spoke out against the war with knowledge that one of the points being used to justify the war was false. In the case of the NSA, though we don't know for sure as yet, it appears the info was leaked because of concern that the Shrubbites were breaking the law, which it appears they were.

You are drawing conclusions that are not supported by the facts.

In the Plame matter, the only person who was indicted was Lewis Libby, and the reason was his apparent perjury to the grand jury. This charge has nothing to do with the leaking of any information from anyone in the Bush administration. Karl Rove and others in the administration were questioned multiple times by Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald, and nobody got indicted. That means that the 2+ year investigation into this matter did not produce enough evidence to level a charge of leaking on anyone.

On the NSA, FISA gives the president broad powers and contains many exceptions. I highly doubt there were any laws broken here. Further, if the Dems continue to push this, they will suffer big time. The president is using the full extent of his authority to protect the country from terrorists. Domestic spying in certain circumstances is not only permitted but expected by the public. The Democrat charge that the president is doing something "illegal" in his efforts to protect the public from islamofascists is a political LOSER for them. They should be very careful on this one.

So how is it that the LEFT is on the wrong side of EVERY ISSUE? How can the LEFT be so blatantly and patently stupid? You would think they might get something right at some point based on the law of averages but they seem to be steely and determined to be butt chunks day in and day out. Good grief.

The answer to this is simple: They dispise the president; they feel he is illegitimate, a dunce, a warmonger, etc., and will oppose him and his policies no matter the consequences, even if it means making the country less safe. The left has been paying a political price for their positions, but amazingly they continue their relentless drumbeat of negativism and opposition. After the recent outbursts by Harry Reid, Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, and Dick Durban, many Americans really do not want to be associated with Democrats.
 
97silverlsc said:
It's been shown repeatedly that he wasn't lying and that the documents Shrub & Co. used were forgeries. He reported that there was no evidence that Iraq tried to purchase the yellow cake and was ignored. He spoke out as a matter of conscience, not out of political motivation, after his report was ignored.
Knock,knock. [Don't worry, I know nobody's there.;) ]
This statement is a fabrication itself. Your argument has been refuted in this forum with facts from the commission and corroborating witnesses. Wilson was lying so much he couldn't even put his story in writing. He is a left-wing wacko and you just can't seem to understand that people hate Bush so much and the good that he is doing that they are willing to 'forge' documents [see Dan Rathernot] to 'invent' a case against him.



97silverlsc said:
This is probably one of the most assinine things you have ever said. The damage done by leaking such information is great. Not only did they out an agent involved in finding/suppressing WMDs, they jeopardized the lives of the contacts she dealt with in foreign countries. Knowing that the Shrubbys are willing to leak info concerning undercover agents for petty political payback, who in their right mind would want to help the US in any way? Truly assinine.
She wasn't even COVERT anymore bright guy. Nobody died because she was James Bond.

And you can't seem to get yourself all worked up because the NYT did the real damage to national security? Amazing set of lost priorities.




97silverlsc said:
Nixons the only one I know of for sure. Hope the outcome is the same.
I guess it's good to dream.:rolleyes:
 
ToddG said:
The answer to this is simple: They dispise the president; they feel he is illegitimate, a dunce, a warmonger, etc., and will oppose him and his policies no matter the consequences, even if it means making the country less safe. The left has been paying a political price for their positions, but amazingly they continue their relentless drumbeat of negativism and opposition. After the recent outbursts by Harry Reid, Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, and Dick Durban, many Americans really do not want to be associated with Democrats.

Phil, are your ears burning?
 
MonsterMark said:
She wasn't even COVERT anymore bright guy. Nobody died because she was James Bond.

How old are you Bryan? Cause you and your cohorts here sound like small minded children, having to resort to name calling all the time. Maybe this can shed some light for you and your crew about what it means to work for the CIA in covert work, hope none of the words are too big for you:


Plame Speaking: Another Outed CIA Agent Hits Media, White House
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/columns/ethics_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001772584

Gerry Gossens, a CIA station chief, lost his cover in 1979. Sizing up the current Plame/CIA leak case, he says, "I can't believe President Bush's father would have tolerated a leak like that while he was president." It was, he adds, "a despicable act."

By Allan Wolper

(January 01, 2006) -- The telephone call came at 5 a.m., July 9, 1979. "Mr. Gossens, you should know that your name is all over the front pages this morning," said a Marine from the United States Embassy in Pretoria, South Africa. Gerry Gossens, the CIA chief of station in Pretoria, knew his diplomatic cover had been blown. The South African press had read a book, "Dirty Work 2: The CIA in Africa," that included the biographies of 800 CIA officers. He was one of them.

"When a CIA agent is outed, it puts him, his family, and all of his diplomatic friends in danger," Gossens, 72, said while sitting in his Salisbury, Vt., home, as he recalled the chaos of that morning.


Gossens moved quickly to make sure his children were safe. He phoned the principals at his kids' schools to prepare them for any potential fallout and later picked up his 17-year-old son, who knew of his father's double life, and his 16-year-old daughter, Christine, who was learning about it for the first time. "You don't want to tell your kids you're CIA until they're old enough to handle it," the former intelligence officer said.

The Gossens, also including his wife and another daughter, escaped physical harm partly because the South African govern ment had known about his dual role and insisted the papers were wrong. But his colleagues at the U.S. embassy who had not known that their congenial civil servant colleague was CIA felt betrayed. "Our friends at the embassy dropped all contact with us, and it became difficult going to diplomatic meetings," he said.

That experience was why I went to see Gossens: I wanted to talk to a former CIA officer whose identity had been revealed by the media. I needed his take on the officials who named Valerie Plame Wilson as a CIA agent, first revealed in Robert Novak's syndicated column.

And most of all, I wanted his perspective on the press' role in the CIA-leak controversy and whether he thought reporters who published the names of CIA agents should be prosecuted. Gossens had plenty to say.

He was aghast that the CIA leak and the alleged cover-up that followed was a plot hatched in or around a White House administered by the son of President George H.W. Bush -- a former director of the intelligence agency. "I can't believe President Bush's father would have tolerated a leak like that while he was president," said Gossens, a Democrat who was chief of station in Lusaka, Zambia, when the elder Bush ran the CIA. The older Bush "knew what an agent's life was like," Gossens said. "He knew the danger of doing something like that. He was respectful of agents. He was a good man."

Gossens had hoped the former president might make some public statement deploring the CIA press leaks, but said he knew that wouldn't happen: "How can you criticize your own son?"

The one-time officer is just as disturbed by the coverage of the Plame affair. "The most irritating thing about the press coverage of the case is that they keep saying that outing Plame doesn't make a difference because she was in Washington," Gossens said, referring to the fact that Plame had stopped her undercover activities more than five years ago.

"That is so arrogant," he said, adding that the Intelligence Indentities Protection Act of 1982 "was passed because CIA agents who were once undercover have a problem no matter where they are stationed now.

"Any journalist who says the law doesn't apply to them is hair-splitting -- and even if it doesn't, they are being unethical by identifying an agent," Gossens added, noting that there was little angry reaction to Novak's column on Plame until two months after it was published. He misses the days when journalists were sensitive to an agent's cover: "We would sometimes swap information with foreign correspondents. They knew what we did, but they kept that information secret."

Gossens said he retired "undercover" from the CIA in 1980, one year after he was outed, and returned to Vermont. In 1992 he won a seat in the state legislature as a democrat and announced he was a former CIA officer. Still, he wouldn't have joined the debate over the current CIA leak case if I hadn't asked him about it. Gossens is concerned about how his words might impact his son, James, who is in Iraq dodging bullets in a Humvee while fighting in a war his father hates.

But once questioned, Gossens is willing to speak for present and former CIA agents about the outing of Plame. "They are angry," Gossens told me. "They joined the CIA to make a difference and believed that their lives and careers were protected. It was a despicable act."
 
Leak Hypocrisy
http://noquarter.typepad.com/my_weblog/2005/12/leak_hypocrisy.html
by
Larry C. Johnson

The Bush Administration's new offensive against leakers just reminds us that when the President's political standing is at stake all is fair if the purpose is to protect the Pres...., er I mean the nation. Too bad George Bush did not express the same outrage when Scooter Libby, Karl Rove, and others in his employ, told eager journalists that Joe Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, was a CIA operative. I guess divulging secrets is okay if the White House needs to discredit Joe Wilson and his claim (subsequently proved true) that the President had misled the nation during his January 2004 State of the Union address. Plus, it offers the added benefit of warning the rest of the intelligence community--shut up or else. You can't have whistle blowers coming out that would tarnish the President's image as a tough guy waging war on the terrorists.

I also seem to recall that the Bush White House used leaks in the midst of the 2004 Presidential campagin to burnish the President's image and keep Americans on edge. Remember the name of Mohammed Naeem Noor Khan? His name was leaked to the New York Times in August of 2004 while Khan was still cooperating with Pakistani, CIA, and British authorities as part of a sting operation against Osama bin Laden's network. On the eve of the Republican convention, unnamed senior NSC officials told New York Times reporters that Mr Khan was being used to send e-mails to al-Qaida members as part of a coordinated effort to identify and dismantle terrorist networks. Just because this leak destroyed the secret program's effectiveness was no big deal because he helped remind Americans that George Bush was the only one who could keep us safe.

So, what's really behind the latest anti-leak crusade?

For those outside the Beltway it is essential to recognize there are two kinds of leaks--officially sanctioned and whistle blowers. The ones described in the previous paragraphs are the "officially sanctioned" variety. These are not unique to the Bush Administration or Republicans. Politicians through the years have shared classified information with journalists as part of a public relations effort to build support for a policy or attack critics.

Then there is the whistle blower variant. This is more important and, in my opinion, the most valuable. It exists to keep politicians honest and alert the public to serious policy disputes. The two most recent examples are the revelations that the United States was holding possible terrorists in secret prisons around the world and that George Bush was circumventing the law and approving illegal electronic surveillance inside the United States. While the Bush White House is certain that those responsible for these leaks are political partisans hell bent on damaging the President, it is really a sign that folks on the inside with a conscience finally decided to speak out.

I recall back in 1989 that the United States was engaged in a variety of "covert" activities in Panama as part of a campaign to provoke Manuel Noriega into a war. The wiley Panamanian dictator kept his powder dry and wouldn't take the bait. More fascinating for me was to be told in hushed tones inside the Central American Brach of the DI about these secret operations and then to read the very next day a full description of those very secrets on the front pages of the Washington Post and New York Times. The secrets leaked because folks at State Department and the Department of Defense had qualms about the policy. When there is an internal disagreement over a particular policy, leaks happen.

What is truly shocking is that many in the media, both print and electronic, seem ignorant of the difference between official and whistle blower leaks. In fact, some seem eager to carry water for the White House and feed the myth that the whistle blower leaks are putting us in jeopardy. Not surprisingly these are the same "journalists" who sought to excuse the leak of Valerie Plame's name as no big deal. Christmas is past and Hannukah is winding down. But I do have a gift request for 2006--can we have more journalists like Sy Hersh, Jim Risen, Jon Landay, Warren Strobel, and David Kaplan, who speak truth to power, and fewer Bob Woodwards, Chris Matthews, Tim Russerts, and Judy Millers, who value their invitations to the White House Christmas Party over challenging the status quo? That's what I want.


:D
 
Bend Over and Grab Your Ankles NYT...

http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110007750

Cock-a-Doodle-Doo
The chickens are coming home to roost on West 43rd Street, Reuters reports from Washington:

The U.S. Justice Department is investigating who disclosed a secret domestic eavesdropping operation approved by President George W. Bush after the September 11 attacks, officials said on Friday.

"We are opening an investigation into the unauthorised disclosure of classified materials related to the NSA," an official said on condition of anonymity.

Earlier this month, Bush acknowledged the program and called its disclosure to The New York Times "a shameful act." He said he presumed the Justice Department would investigate who leaked the National Security Agency eavesdropping operation to the newspaper.

The Times, as we noted in February, has of late been a strong proponent of such investigations. When Joe Wilson charged that someone in the administration had "leaked" the name of his wife, CIA analyst Valerie Plame, who he falsely implied was a covert agent, the Times urged the appointment of a special prosecutor to investigate what it called an "abuse of power."

The Times got its wish, and more than it bargained for. The paper somehow expected prosecutors not to compel testimony from the recipients of the "leak," the beneficiaries of the purported "abuse of power"--that is, journalists. But it's hard to see how you can investigate a crime (or, in the case of the Plame kerfuffle, a "crime") that consists of giving information to journalists, without questioning journalists.

One of the Times' own reporters, Judith Miller, went to jail rather than reveal her source. No, scratch that. She went to jail, spent three months there, then revealed her source. As Mickey Kaus noted in October:

The message sent to every prosecutor in the country is "Don't believe journalists who say they will never testify. A bit of hard time and they just might find a reason to change their minds. Judy Miller did."

If we were James Risen or Erich Lichtblau, who broke the NSA story for the Times, we'd be nervous.
 
97silverlsc said:
How old are you Bryan? Cause you and your cohorts here sound like small minded children, having to resort to name calling all the time. Maybe this can shed some light for you and your crew about what it means to work for the CIA in covert work, hope none of the words are too big for you:


Plame Speaking: Another Outed CIA Agent Hits Media, White House
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/columns/ethics_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001772584

Gerry Gossens, a CIA station chief, lost his cover in 1979. Sizing up the current Plame/CIA leak case, he says, "I can't believe President Bush's father would have tolerated a leak like that while he was president." It was, he adds, "a despicable act."...

By Allan Wolper
That experience was why I went to see Gossens: I wanted to talk to a former CIA officer whose identity had been revealed by the media. I needed his take on the officials who named Valerie Plame Wilson as a CIA agent, first revealed in Robert Novak's syndicated column.

And most of all, I wanted his perspective on the press' role in the CIA-leak controversy and whether he thought reporters who published the names of CIA agents should be prosecuted. Gossens had plenty to say.

He was aghast that the CIA leak and the alleged cover-up that followed was a plot hatched in or around a White House administered by the son of President George H.W. Bush -- a former director of the intelligence agency. "I can't believe President Bush's father would have tolerated a leak like that while he was president," said Gossens, a Democrat who was chief of station in Lusaka, Zambia, when the elder Bush ran the CIA. The older Bush "knew what an agent's life was like," Gossens said. "He knew the danger of doing something like that. He was respectful of agents. He was a good man."

Gossens had hoped the former president might make some public statement deploring the CIA press leaks, but said he knew that wouldn't happen: "How can you criticize your own son?"

The one-time officer is just as disturbed by the coverage of the Plame affair. "The most irritating thing about the press coverage of the case is that they keep saying that outing Plame doesn't make a difference because she was in Washington," Gossens said, referring to the fact that Plame had stopped her undercover activities more than five years ago.

"That is so arrogant," he said, adding that the Intelligence Indentities Protection Act of 1982 "was passed because CIA agents who were once undercover have a problem no matter where they are stationed now.
...

"Any journalist who says the law doesn't apply to them is hair-splitting -- and even if it doesn't, they are being unethical by identifying an agent," Gossens added, noting that there was little angry reaction to Novak's column on Plame until two months after it was published. He misses the days when journalists were sensitive to an agent's cover: "We would sometimes swap information with foreign correspondents. They knew what we did, but they kept that information secret."

More of an indictment of the MEDIA than the President.
 
97silverlsc said:
How old are you Bryan? Cause you and your cohorts here sound like small minded children, having to resort to name calling all the time. Maybe this can shed some light for you and your crew about what it means to work for the CIA in covert work, hope none of the words are too big for you:

And how be we abandon the hypocrisy of you, of all people, pretending to care about the covert work of the CIA.

Your only interest in this story, a story which you have completely misrepresented from the git-go, is as part of a desperate attempt to pin something, anything, on the Bush administration.
 
97silverlsc said:
How old are you Bryan? Cause you and your cohorts here sound like small minded children, having to resort to name calling all the time.
Older than you my friend. :cool:

Bright guy??? That was a compliment man.



97silverlsc said:
Maybe this can shed some light for you and your crew about what it means to work for the CIA in covert work, hope none of the words are too big for you:
Phil, was she or was she not covert? Don't duck the question.
 
RB3 said:
Your only interest in this story, a story which you have completely misrepresented from the git-go, is as part of a desperate attempt to pin something, anything, on the Bush administration.

The LEFT has been playing pin the tail on the donkey since Bush (in their wacked minds) became the illegitimate President. Only problem is Bush is an elephant, not a jack-... I mean donkey.:D
 
If we were James Risen or Erich Lichtblau, who broke the NSA story for the Times, we'd be nervous.

Risen was on the Today show being interviewed by Katie Couric this morning. Just by listening to him you could tell he was happy this whole story broke because he called the people he talked to (e.g., the leakers) patriots. Gimme a break. Those leakers (and Risen for writing about it) disclosed to the terrorists one of the most effective tools the government has used in the war on terror, and he calls them patriots?? All of this was to plug his new book on the same topic.

I can almost guarantee that the leakers were career CIA or NSA or State Department people who are pissed off at the President for revamping their bureacracies and getting rid of the deadwood bureaucrats. Risen even had the balls to say that the President should have consulted with the career bureaucrats in these organizations before he implemented his policies. Huh?? I always thought that the President sets the national security policy, and the career bureaucrats implement it, and not the other way around.

Here's my prediction of what will happen: DOJ will do its leak inquiry and will inevitably want to talk to Risen, so they will issue a subpoena. He will arrogantly refuse to talk to the grand jury, and he will do some jail time.
 
“Those who are willing to sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither”.

- Benjamin Franklin

So glad to see where everyone stands.

Shrub and his (athletic) supporters are un-deserving of the liberty for which our veterans have died for hundreds of years.
 
JohnnyBz00LS said:
Shrub and his (athletic) supporters are un-deserving of the liberty for which our veterans have died for hundreds of years.
WOW! So the very people that fight for Liberty are un-deserving of it? .........speechless.........it is so profound and .........out there.
 

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