Love this Guy!!

[ONEBADMK8]

Been a fan for years but this vid is hilarious. He rips that EVIL witch a new one. And it is TRUE, look it up. She is one puppet that is pure evil.

Go Mike Gravel TELL HER THE TRUTH RIGHT IN HER FACE.

We WILL GUARANTEED goto War with Iran before A$$HOLE mass murderer Bush is out, you watch. He will CRIPPLE this great Nation before he is gone, CRIPPLE IT!

"Now they are selling a war on Iran. Mainstream media is helping sell another illegal war. The way they do this is mainly by not reporting things or under-reporting things. So important facts don't reach the majority of the American people."

 

[shagdrum]

We WILL GUARANTEED goto War with Iran before A$$HOLE mass murderer Bush is out, you watch. He will CRIPPLE this great Nation before he is gone, CRIPPLE IT!

WOW! you really are off the deep end, aren't you.

 

[ONEBADMK8]

Yeah deep end, yeah thats right.

 

[fossten]

WOW! you really are off the deep end, aren't you.

Don't start with the ad hominem pejoratives, shag. That isn't your style. Please argue substance and merits instead of resorting to personal attacks.

By the way, my wife will attest that I predicted war with Iran 2 years ago. I still think I'm right about it.

 

[Calabrio]

Don't start with the ad hominem pejoratives, shag. That isn't your style. Please argue substance and merits instead of resorting to personal attacks.

You want him to provide a substantiative argument to this?

We WILL GUARANTEED goto War with Iran before A$$HOLE mass murderer Bush is out, you watch. He will CRIPPLE this great Nation before he is gone, CRIPPLE IT!

 

[shagdrum]

Don't start with the ad hominem pejoratives, shag. That isn't your style.

Yeah, i usually try to stay on substance. The problem is, in another thread, I challenged a view of his that on the surface seemd rather out there, and he didn't back it up. So, I switch tactics to see if he will back up some of his claims. Can't really argue with the kind of seemingly baseless claims spouted, unless an arguement and/or evidence is given to debate. I am trying to get him to break his arguement down. I figured verbally poking might cause him to do so. Rest assured, i wasn't just reacting, it was a (somewhat) calculated action. Thanks for keepin me honest.

I will admit when someone proves themselves irrational on an issue, and they start making personal attack in the fact of a well reasoned arguement, I will mock them. however, at that point, as far as I am concerned, the arguement is over, anyway. Prime example would be the arguement I got in with Mr. Deville on gay marriage. I tried to be reasonable for quite a while. After he proved to me that he couldn't honestly debate that issue, and was making personal attacks, I stopped debating and started mocking a bit. I try not to use personal attacks as a substitute for an arguement. That is a sign of a weak position, and/or a weak person making the arguement.

Please argue substance and merits instead of resorting to personal attacks.

I would like to. I need some substance to argue against.

By the way, my wife will attest that I predicted war with Iran 2 years ago. I still think I'm right about it.

Very possible, though I think something more will have to happen to tip us into that, IMO.

 

[turborich]

Look, there are plenty of decent people out there who are involved in some level of politics, They will never be elected as president. Ask yourself why? Seems kinda fishy to me that the good ones seem to fade away & can't get a fair shake with the media. We are left with the bottom feeders when it's all said & done.

I have disagreed with Geno on plenty of things, I totally have his back on this deal. He might seem a little far out there to someone who only gets their information from the mainstream news outlets. If you watch the mainstream & indipendant news, listen to talk radio (left & right) then you will start to understand what's going on. Geno is just informed on this topic & can see where this country is headed very soon. I cannot believe all of the crap that the Bush adim has gotten away with. I am by no means a left winger either! I have always considered myself an indipendant who leans to the right. Why can't a third party canidate ever come close to winning??? It's a corrupt 2 party system & the few good ones don't ever get a chance!!!

 

[fossten]

Look, there are plenty of decent people out there who are involved in some level of politics, They will never be elected as president. Ask yourself why? Seems kinda fishy to me that the good ones seem to fade away & can't get a fair shake with the media. We are left with the bottom feeders when it's all said & done.

I have disagreed with Geno on plenty of things, I totally have his back on this deal. He might seem a little far out there to someone who only gets their information from the mainstream news outlets. If you watch the mainstream & indipendant news, listen to talk radio (left & right) then you will start to understand what's going on. Geno is just informed on this topic & can see where this country is headed very soon. I cannot believe all of the crap that the Bush adim has gotten away with. I am by no means a left winger either! I have always considered myself an indipendant who leans to the right. Why can't a third party canidate ever come close to winning??? It's a corrupt 2 party system & the few good ones don't ever get a chance!!!

I must say I agree with Rich on this.

Ron Paul has been squashed by the media. Only insider power grabbers who are wealthy can become president anymore, thanks to McCain-Feingold.

Those who only get their news from the MSM (including Fox News) are being programmed to be sheeple.

 

[MonsterMark]

I cannot believe all of the crap that the Bush adim has gotten away with. I am by no means a left winger either!

Let's start with the facts. Exactly what has the Bush Administration gotten away with?

Start listing them.

I'd be happy to rebut each and every talking point you list.

 

[MonsterMark]

Ron Paul has been squashed by the media.

Ron Paul did it to himself. I am a true conservative. Everytime I listened to Paul I would start nodding my head in agreement. By the time he was done talking, I'd be shaking my head in disbelief.

Don't believe me? He got less than 4% nationally on Super Tuesday. That means I am not the only guy that tuned out the messenger.

The Paulies need to regroup for 2012 and pick a charismatic guy to push the message.

Look at Oblahblah. Guy doesn't say anything meaningful ever and people just swoon like he is the next savior when he is probably THE MOST dangerous person we could elect. Not only his liberal domestic policies but his foreign policies are dangerous as well.

 

[fossten]

Ron Paul did it to himself. I am a true conservative. Everytime I listened to Paul I would start nodding my head in agreement. By the time he was done talking, I'd be shaking my head in disbelief.

Don't believe me? He got less than 4% nationally on Super Tuesday. That means I am not the only guy that tuned out the messenger.

The Paulies need to regroup for 2012 and pick a charismatic guy to push the message.

Look at Oblahblah. Guy doesn't say anything meaningful ever and people just swoon like he is the next savior when he is probably THE MOST dangerous person we could elect. Not only his liberal domestic policies but his foreign policies are dangerous as well.

Since you're such a single issue voter, maybe you should support Lieberman. He's for the war. I heard McCain considered naming him running mate for a short time.

Ron Paul's only disagreement from your belief system is his view on foreign policy. You have admitted this. Yet you've used that disagreement to demonize him, calling him every name in the book. People like you are voting for McCain, who is TRULY INSANE.

You talk about the messenger being the problem. What about McCain as the messenger? I've never seen someone so angry, arrogant, and plain mean run for president other than Hillary. Our next president will be an absolute disaster no matter who it is. You've been warned.

 

[turborich]

Let's start off with his war. Why are we still over there? Every day more & more young men die because of what? We are not doing anything good over there. That entire part of the world hates us & it's not ever going to change. Kinda funny how the plan was to go after Bin Laden & then we end up in Iraq instead. If they really wanted Bin Laden dead I'm sure it would have been done by now.

Why did Cheney's Company get all of those contracts over there? Cause they are a bunch of criminals! That's why.

Why are we speding so much money on Iraq? What about our Country? Our borders? Our schools are going to crap & so on. We really need to focus on our own country & stop trying to be the police of the world.

I am by no means anti military or anti war, but come on already! Enough is enough. These young people are dying for all of the wrong reasons.

You notice that gasoline prices are starting to drop? Hmmmm, why do you think that is? Maybe because the elections are just around the corner? Just wait until they are done with & then try to fill up your car. It's a cycle that always repeats itself but people just seem so blind.

Why do we try to controll the midle east but let mexico invade the U.S?

Why does bush love the illegal alien crowd so darn much? Maybe because his pockets are getting fat from the big business who wants them here for cheap labor? Then you have the even bigger picture, the NORTH AMERICAN UNION!

Yeah, I know, I'm all over the freakin place. It's true though.

 

[MonsterMark]

Ron Paul's only disagreement from your belief system is his view on foreign policy. You have admitted this.

While it is true that the back breaker is his foreign policy, there aer many things I disagree with Paul on for this reason. While I agree we need to reduce the scope of government from A to Z, Ron Paul takes every issue to the extreme.

Take Dept of Education. While it fails to really educate anyone successfully, Ron Paul's stance is to eliminate it. Not gonna happen. Whiel I agree with him on taxes, he wants to abolish the IRS. It goes on and on and on. He takes everything to the extreme.

I've told you time and time again, liberals are willing to take incremental steps. Death by a thousand cuts. Ron Paul wants it all in one fell swopp. That is why people tune him out. It is not reasonable nor feasible at this stage to get the support for what he advocates. It simply isn't gonna happen. We didn't get ourselves into this problem overnight, nor are we going to escape it overnight.

Champion the causes a piece at a time. Force the cutbacks on eduction that need to occur gradually. 3-5% a year. Put business people in the positions of power in these departments. Get rid of the elected and unelected politicians that don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.

Start slow, win slowly.

 

[fossten]

While it is true that the back breaker is his foreign policy, there aer many things I disagree with Paul on for this reason. While I agree we need to reduce the scope of government from A to Z, Ron Paul takes every issue to the extreme.

Take Dept of Education. While it fails to really educate anyone successfully, Ron Paul's stance is to eliminate it. Not gonna happen. Whiel I agree with him on taxes, he wants to abolish the IRS. It goes on and on and on. He takes everything to the extreme.

I've told you time and time again, liberals are willing to take incremental steps. Death by a thousand cuts. Ron Paul wants it all in one fell swopp. That is why people tune him out. It is not reasonable nor feasible at this stage to get the support for what he advocates. It simply isn't gonna happen. We didn't get ourselves into this problem overnight, nor are we going to escape it overnight.

Champion the causes a piece at a time. Force the cutbacks on eduction that need to occur gradually. 3-5% a year. Put business people in the positions of power in these departments. Get rid of the elected and unelected politicians that don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.

Start slow, win slowly.

This is classic thickheadedness, Bryan. You've just demonstrated (again) that you are unfamiliar (and thus ignorant) of Ron Paul's platform. Nothing you've said about his so-called extreme approach is true. That's right. TOTALLY FALSE. I've even told you this before, but you didn't listen. If you knew his platform you would know that he proposes incremental approaches to EVERYTHING you've accused him of being extreme on. I've told you this already, you just refuse to listen and you refuse to look up the record. You are spewing falsehoods based on ignorance on your part. This is a very mulish attitude. It's no wonder conservatives are flocking to McCain. If they're anything like you they don't research any candidate's record or platform before voting.

Let's play contrast/compare for a minute.

Ron Paul:

Incrementally diminish/abolish the IRS, DOE, etc. Bring troops home, stop overspending, reduce taxes, save social security, end needless and oppressive regulations on citizens such as those usurped by the BATFE, votes his Constitutional convictions each and every vote.

McCain:

Shamnesty, Direct assault on the 1st Amendment, war for 100 years in Iraq, no checks on spending, no tax relief, embryo stem cell research paid for by taxpayers, favors Democrats and their policies, Keating Five, mean, nasty temper, Washington insider political whore who votes to get media accolades.

If you're honestly thinking McCain would make a better President you are no conservative.

 

[fossten]

Let's start with the facts. Exactly what has the Bush Administration gotten away with?

Start listing them.

I'd be happy to rebut each and every talking point you list.

Why don't you start with this book by Judge Andrew Napolitano:

A NATION OF SHEEP, Judge Andrew P. Napolitano frankly discusses how the federal government has circumvented the Constitution and is systematically dismantling the rights and freedoms that are the foundation of American democracy. He challenges Americans to recognize that they are being led down a very dangerous path and that the cost of following without challenge is the loss of the basic freedoms that facilitate our pursuit of happiness and that define us as a nation.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1595550976

 

[shagdrum]

Why don't you start with this book by Judge Andrew Napolitano:

A NATION OF SHEEP, Judge Andrew P. Napolitano frankly discusses how the federal government has circumvented the Constitution and is systematically dismantling the rights and freedoms that are the foundation of American democracy. He challenges Americans to recognize that they are being led down a very dangerous path and that the cost of following without challenge is the loss of the basic freedoms that facilitate our pursuit of happiness and that define us as a nation.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1595550976

Gotta love Napolitano.

 

[MonsterMark]

Let's play contrast/compare for a minute.

Ron Paul:

Incrementally diminish/abolish the IRS, DOE, etc. Bring troops home, stop overspending, reduce taxes, save social security, end needless and oppressive regulations on citizens such as those usurped by the BATFE, votes his Constitutional convictions each and every vote.

McCain:

Shamnesty, Direct assault on the 1st Amendment, war for 100 years in Iraq, no checks on spending, no tax relief, embryo stem cell research paid for by taxpayers, favors Democrats and their policies, Keating Five, mean, nasty temper, Washington insider political whore who votes to get media accolades.

If you're honestly thinking McCain would make a better President you are no conservative.

Let's be realistic instead of honest. Ron Paul can't and won't win. End of story. Everything else is meaningless.

I don't like John McCain but this election is coming down to the Supreme Court, the very group you chastise for taking away our rights.

The next President will probably nominate 3 Supreme Court Justices, and could conceivably nominate 5.

You already have a Democrat controlled Senate. Now you want to hand over the reigns to a Democrat President.

Do you actually think they are going to nominate a conservative judge? Do you think they'll even nominate a moderate judge? Hell NO!

They are going to move the Court to the Left big time and then bring before the Court Redistricting under the cause celeb of 'fairness'. Nationwide the voting districts will be redrawn causing Republicans to lose huge in forthcoming elections. Democrats will attain super majorities in both Houses and in every State capital and the ball game will be over.

Go ahead and sit there with your lofty goals and convictions. Go ahead and lose BIG TIME. Go ahead and sacrifice everything you hold dear because you didn't get the candidate you deserve. Go ahead.

I have a 3 year plan to finish my business objectives and then it is see-ya-later-alligator.

My kids won't be forced to bow down to socialism. They will have the money and resources to do whatever they want, to live wherever they want.

We are losing and instead of being willing to slow the bleed, you are taking the tourniquet off. Way to go. Your convictions are so completely asinine at this time in history that it pisses me off to no end.

America wants change according to the liberal media, Hillary, Obama and even McCain, Romney and Huck. They all hold up the same banner of change.

We're going to change all right. The liberal socialist candidate is going to win and all hell is going to break loose. Before people even get the chance to wake up, it'll all be over.

Your guns will be gone. You'll have a chip installed in your body. The government will control your paycheck. Our enemies will feast on the blood of Americans.

Go ahead and stand by with your convictions because John McCain ain't your guy. It came down to Romney but he can't win with Huckster stabbing him in the back. Huckabee is a religious zealot that is using his religion as an excuse to defeat Romney because Huckabee doesn't want to see a Mormon in the White House. It is two against one and Romney doesn't stand a chance.

Still, there are others of us who chose to fight the good fight, and the only fight that we have a realistic chance of winning. If that be with John McCain, so be it. It is the best we can do at this point in history.

 

[fossten]

Let's be realistic instead of honest. Ron Paul can't and won't win. End of story. Everything else is meaningless.

Nice dodge, but this is off the subject. Good of you to admit that you can't be honest and still support McCain. It proves my point.

I don't like John McCain but this election is coming down to the Supreme Court, the very group you chastise for taking away our rights.

The next President will probably nominate 3 Supreme Court Justices, and could conceivably nominate 5.

You already have a Democrat controlled Senate. Now you want to hand over the reigns to a Democrat President.

Uh...either Hillary or McCain will be in effect LIBERAL Presidents.

Do you actually think they are going to nominate a conservative judge? Do you think they'll even nominate a moderate judge? Hell NO!

McCain won't either. He admitted during the debate that he favored moderate justices like O'Connor.

They are going to move the Court to the Left big time and then bring before the Court Redistricting under the cause celeb of 'fairness'. Nationwide the voting districts will be redrawn causing Republicans to lose huge in forthcoming elections. Democrats will attain super majorities in both Houses and in every State capital and the ball game will be over.

Go ahead and sit there with your lofty goals and convictions. Go ahead and lose BIG TIME. Go ahead and sacrifice everything you hold dear because you didn't get the candidate you deserve. Go ahead.

Rant rant...look who's all doom and gloom now?

I have a 3 year plan to finish my business objectives and then it is see-ya-later-alligator.

My kids won't be forced to bow down to socialism. They will have the money and resources to do whatever they want, to live wherever they want.

We are losing and instead of being willing to slow the bleed, you are taking the tourniquet off. Way to go. Your convictions are so completely asinine at this time in history that it pisses me off to no end.

You have no business attacking my convictions. I at least hold on to my principles instead of succumbing to situation ethics and political expediency (Read: Compromise with the left) and won't settle for another liberal president. But we're gonna get one no matter what, so why are you blowing a tonsil over my choice? Stop flattering yourself. You know as well as I do that we're screwed no matter what, and McCain will NOT do anything but hurt America. We might finish the occupation in Iraq, but we'll be in shambles here at home. Don't take your frustrations out on me. Go look in the mirror.

America wants change according to the liberal media, Hillary, Obama and even McCain, Romney and Huck. They all hold up the same banner of change.

We're going to change all right. The liberal socialist candidate is going to win and all hell is going to break loose. Before people even get the chance to wake up, it'll all be over.

That's what I've been saying. And yet you willingly and blindly support the very candidates who will facilitate this.

Your guns will be gone. You'll have a chip installed in your body. The government will control your paycheck.

My guns might be gone, but my ammo and blood will precede them.

Our enemies will feast on the blood of Americans.

WTF is this? Freaking poetry? My God, man, get a grip on your emotions. Jeez.

Go ahead and stand by with your convictions because John McCain ain't your guy. It came down to Romney but he can't win with Huckster stabbing him in the back. Huckabee is a religious zealot that is using his religion as an excuse to defeat Romney because Huckabee doesn't want to see a Mormon in the White House. It is two against one and Romney doesn't stand a chance.

This is more than politics. It is the death of the Republican party due to the conservatives being pushed out by the moderates. This is NOT MY FAULT. Get off your high horse.

Still, there are others of us who chose to fight the good fight, and the only fight that we have a realistic chance of winning. If that be with John McCain, so be it. It is the best we can do at this point in history.

What a pathetic argument. We will get nothing but more taxes, less freedom, more spending, bad SCOTUS justices, and stupid global warming and illegal immigration decisions from this man. If this is the best we can do, you definitely are doing the right thing by packing your stuff.

 

[Bob Hubbard]

"Fossten", In the post above , you mentioned that Liberman had been mentioned as a possible running mate to Mc Cain.
Hadn't heard that, but something I DID notice was in practically every public appearance by Mc Cain, ole Joe was standing right behind him, regardless if it was in New York, or California.
Seemed to be shadowing him.
Maybe there is some truth to it.
Bob.

 

[MonsterMark]

Nice dodge, but this is off the subject. Good of you to admit that you can't be honest and still support McCain. It proves my point.

I'm being honest. Paul has no chance of winning. That is why I don't support him. I don't want a Dem Congress and President and then have to wait to years to throw enough people out of Congress to get control back because we probably won't and then we have to wait another 30 years to get a second chance.

Uh...either Hillary or McCain will be in effect LIBERAL Presidents.

I totally agree. But at least with McCain, we have a shot at keeping spending down and defending ourselves.

McCain won't either. He admitted during the debate that he favored moderate justices like O'Connor..

Probably true again. But I don't think he would step overboard with a true liberal. He will still have some conservatives within his inner circle.

Rant rant...look who's all doom and gloom now? .

Yes, I felt like ranting a bit today. I must be on my period.

You have no business attacking my convictions. I at least hold on to my principles instead of succumbing to situation ethics and political expediency (Read: Compromise with the left) and won't settle for another liberal president. But we're gonna get one no matter what, so why are you blowing a tonsil over my choice? Stop flattering yourself. You know as well as I do that we're screwed no matter what, and McCain will NOT do anything but hurt America. We might finish the occupation in Iraq, but we'll be in shambles here at home. Don't take your frustrations out on me. Go look in the mirror..

I'm frustrated because Paul has siphoned off the support we need going into the general election. Hey look, you know I know you are a smart guy and a true conservative and I might add, a newly converted libertarian. I wanted Hunter. Then I wanted Thompson. Now I support Romney. I'll probably end up in the McCain camp because there is no scenario where I can see Hitlery in the White House with HillBilly and there is no way a guy like Oblahblah, who hasn't been vetted should ever get a shot at the White House as a raging liberal and pacifist when we are at war. It will only encourage our enemies to attack.

That's what I've been saying. And yet you willingly and blindly support the very candidates who will facilitate this.

Because once again, the liberal media helped decide who my choices were going to be. As you noticed, look what they did to Paul, Hunter and Thompson, the 3 most conservative guys running. Completely ignored them and gave them no voice.

My guns might be gone, but my ammo and blood will precede them.

You might be glowing before you get the first shot off unfortunately.

WTF is this? Freaking poetry? My God, man, get a grip on your emotions. Jeez.

Sounded a little jihadist didn't it. I liked it. People need to be afraid. We have already let our guard down even considering socialist candidates as next POTUS. Even the Europeans woke up and beat back the socialists the past few years.

This is more than politics. It is the death of the Republican party due to the conservatives being pushed out by the moderates. This is NOT MY FAULT. Get off your high horse..

Yes it is. You have wasted your time and effort supporting a losing proposition. Just think if all you Paulies had gotten behind Fred, or at this point, even Romney. Things would be different. So yes, you are at fault.

What a pathetic argument. We will get nothing but more taxes, less freedom, more spending, bad SCOTUS justices, and stupid global warming and illegal immigration decisions from this man. If this is the best we can do, you definitely are doing the right thing by packing your stuff.

It is the best we can do this go-around. Live to fight another day.

Otherwise, convince anybody that is conservative to stay home. Reduce the vote count by 30 million and hand the liberals the biggest landslide (and mandate) in American history.

Had all you Paulies wised up on Super Tuesday and gotten behind Romney, we wouldn't be looking at McCain as the frontrunner now would we?

YOU GUYS are the guys that blew it for the Republican party.

YOU GUYS are no better than the (pick a word) that supported Perot and handed the election to Clinton.

 

[MonsterMark]

YOU GUYS are no better than the (pick a word) that supported Perot and handed the election to Clinton.

You and Joey can feel all good about yourselves voting for Ron Paul and now you can sit in your doodoo and watch Hillary or Obama take the reins. Congrats. Pat yourselves on the back.

 

[turborich]

You and Joey can feel all good about yourselves voting for Ron Paul and now you can sit in your doodoo and watch Hillary or Obama take the reins. Congrats. Pat yourselves on the back.

How can you say this? This is why the underdog never gets a chance, Because of this thinking. You shouldn't vote for who you think will win, You should vote for who you want to be our next president! Who cares if that person wins or not, At least your vote counted!

Anyways, We pretty much know that it's between Hillary, Obama & McCain.
So what now? Who is the best one for the job? They all seem to be very undesireable. Do you guys agree that McCain would be the less of the 3 evils or am I missing something?

 

[fossten]

Yes it is. You have wasted your time and effort supporting a losing proposition. Just think if all you Paulies had gotten behind Fred, or at this point, even Romney. Things would be different. So yes, you are at fault.

It is the best we can do this go-around. Live to fight another day.

Otherwise, convince anybody that is conservative to stay home. Reduce the vote count by 30 million and hand the liberals the biggest landslide (and mandate) in American history.

Had all you Paulies wised up on Super Tuesday and gotten behind Romney, we wouldn't be looking at McCain as the frontrunner now would we?

YOU GUYS are the guys that blew it for the Republican party.

YOU GUYS are no better than the (pick a word) that supported Perot and handed the election to Clinton.

Uh...you're really off the deep end here Bryan. I never voted for Perot. I voted for Bush and Dole. So you're wrong again. Wrong wrong wrong. You are so full of CRAP Bryan. My state's primary isn't until May, so I had nothing, repeat NOTHING to do with McCain's surge and Fred's demise. NOTHING. So stop spouting this nonsense. It's YOU GUYS who naively think that McCain can even beat Hillary, when there isn't an ounce of difference between them. And frankly, it's immature of you to point fingers, especially at me, considering I'd never vote for McCain in a primary. You're blaming me for his ascendency? That's hilarious.

Besides, Paul has siphoned off what, FIVE PERCENT of the vote in most states? Compared to Huckabee, that's zilch. So you're wrong again.

I forgive you for blindly firing in all directions in your frustration. It's silly what you're doing. It's everybody ELSE'S fault, but your compromising is perfect, right?

Finally, it looks like you're full of crap as far as Ann Coulter is concerned:

FROM GOLDWATER GIRL TO HILLARY GIRL
by Ann Coulter
February 6, 2008

Nominating McCain is the gesture of a desperate party.

Republicans are so shell-shocked and demoralized by the success of the Bush Derangement Syndrome, they think they can fool the voters by nominating an open-borders, anti-tax cut, anti-free speech, global-warming hysteric, pro-human experimentation "Republican." Which is to say, a Democrat.

As the expression goes, given a choice between a Democrat and a Democrat, voters will always choose the Democrat. The only question remaining is: Hillary or Obama?

On the litmus test issues of our time, only partially excluding Iraq, McCain is a liberal.

-- He excoriated Samuel Alito as too "conservative."

-- He promoted amnesty for 20 million illegal immigrants.

-- He abridged citizens' free speech (in favor of the media) with McCain-Feingold.

-- He hysterically opposes waterboarding terrorists and wants to shut down Guantanamo.

Can I take a breath now?

-- He denounced the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.

-- He opposes ANWR and supports the global warming cult, even posturing with fellow mountebank Arnold Schwarzenegger in front of solar panels.

The only site that would have been more appropriate for Schwarzenegger in endorsing McCain would have been in front of an abortion clinic.

Although McCain has the minimum pro-life record demanded by the voters of Arizona, in 2006, McCain voted in favor of using taxpayer funds to harvest stem cells from human embryos. He opposes a constitutional amendment to protect human life. And he frets that if Roe v. Wade were overruled, women's lives would be "endangered." This is the same John McCain who chides Mitt Romney today for "flip-flopping" on abortion. At least Romney flips and stays there.

Of course the most important issue for pro-lifers is the Supreme Court. As long as Roe v. Wade is the law of the land, it doesn't matter how many hearts and minds we've changed. So it's not insignificant that McCain has called Justice Samuel Alito too conservative.

We ended up with David Hackett Souter when a Republican president was actually looking for an Alito. Imagine how bad it will be when the "Republican" president isn't even trying.

McCain uses the boilerplate language of all Republicans in saying he will appoint "strict constructionists." This is supposed to end all discussion of the courts. But if he's picking strict constructionists, he will have to appoint judges who will commit to overturning McCain-Feingold.

That could be our litmus test: Will you hold President McCain's signature legislation restricting speech unconstitutional?

In 2004, McCain criticized the federal marriage amendment, saying, it was "antithetical in every way to the core philosophy of Republicans." Really? Preventing the redefinition of a 10,000-year-old institution -- marriage, that is, not John McCain -- is part of the core philosophy of being a Republican? I had no idea.

I'm not a lawyer -- oh wait, yes, I am -- but Republicans were proposing to amend the Constitution, a process the Constitution specifically describes.

It's like saying it's antithetical to the core philosophy of Republicans to require presidents to be at least 35 years old. It's in the Constitution! And Republicans -- other than the ones who voted for McCain-Feingold -- support the Constitution. You might say it's part of our core philosophy.

Of course, back in 2004, McCain was considering running on a presidential ticket with John Kerry. Realizing that this would not help his chances to run as a Republican in 2008, when he would be a mere 120 years old, McCain quickly withdrew his interest in being on Kerry's ticket.

But he defended Kerry from the Bush campaign's suggestion that Kerry was not tip-top on national security, saying on the "Today" show: "No, I do not believe that he is, quote, weak on defense." So that was helpful.

McCain also explained to an admiring press corps why he wouldn't want to be anyone's vice president, not even a national defense champion like Kerry, citing the meager constitutional duties of the vice president as: (1) to assume the presidency if the president is incapacitated and (2) "to break a tie vote in the Senate." (At which point several members of the fawning horde were heard to remark, "What is this 'Constitution' you speak of, Senator?")

But McCain conveniently forgot the second of these constitutional duties just a year later when Vice President Cheney was required "to break a tie vote in the Senate" on a matter of utmost importance to liberals: federal judges.

Just one year after McCain had correctly identified one of two jobs of the vice president, he was indignant that a Republican vice president might actually exercise one of them. Better to let a gaggle of 14 Senate malcontents pick the president's judges for him.

As part of the "Gang of 14," McCain hysterically opposed allowing the vice president to break a tie on judicial nominations. Following the Constitution with regard to the role of the vice president, McCain said, "would be a terrible precedent." Yes, if members of Congress actually read the Constitution, they might realize McCain-Feingold is unconstitutional.

If Hillary is elected president, we'll have a four-year disaster, with Republicans ferociously opposing her, followed by Republicans zooming back into power, as we did in 1980 and 1994, and 2000. (I also predict more Oval Office incidents with female interns.)

If McCain is elected president, we'll have a four-year disaster, with the Republicans in Congress co-opted by "our" president, followed by 30 years of Democratic rule.

There's your choice, America. [Bryan]

Notice she didn't blame the Paulies.

 

[MonsterMark]

I'll use the old blahblahblah here. Got things to do.

WE (as in conservatives) needed to coalesce behind a conservative candidate from the get go. Having 5% here, another 20% there, of our group distracted from the ultimate goal of maintaining the Presidency to control the fate of the Supreme Court is a mistake that we will all regret.

The Dems never neuter themselves do they?

We certainly did and we are going to pay the price.

Groups like the Paulies wanted to swing for the fences.

Guess what? You struck out. Back to the bench for you.

I'm off the deep end because we couldn't figure out how to come together to save America from socialism.

We're not going to beat two of the most liberal candidates ever put up for election.

Hell, even Italy just threw the liberals out and are set to re-vote in a couple months and reinstall the conservative party over there.

What are the socialists doing in Italy? They are quickly forming a new party to coalesce liberals and socialists. Want to guess the name?

The Democrat Party!

How ironic, isn't it?


We lose and Fossten gets to slip down the slope with the rest of us for another 8 years. Yippeee.

While the Paulies were busy jerking themselves off, the conservatives in our party that had a chance of winning were ignored. And you want to accept no blame. How convenient.

 

[fossten]

While the Paulies were busy jerking themselves off, the conservatives in our party that had a chance of winning were ignored. And you want to accept no blame. How convenient.

Jerking themselves off, indeed. Figures you'd see it that way, instead of looking at how you so-called conservatives ignored and mocked Ron Paul and his supporters and REFUSED TO LISTEN to the message, all the while not noticing that our candidate was being chosen for us by the media.

This is just so much tripe, it's actually bullsh*t. Win WHAT exactly? Hmm? If McCain is elected, what do I win? A far more liberal president than Bush is, and that's saying something! Even if we "win", we lose. Get that through your skull.

Since you obviously didn't take the time to read Ann Coulter's column, go pound sand, Bryan. The preponderance of evidence is on my side this time. You go support your liberal candidate and see how the country ends up. Meanwhile, I'm preparing my survival kit so my wife and I can last throughout the coming collapse.