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MSNBC Reporter Demands Resignation of White House Spokesman Scott McClellan
Keith Olbermann, MSNBC
Posted 2005-05-17 01:57:00.0

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240

The resignation of Scott McClellan

SECAUCUS -- I smell something - and it ain’t a copy of the Qu’ran sopping wet from being stuck in a toilet in Guantanamo Bay. It’s the ink drying on Scott McClellan’s resignation, and in an only partly imperfect world, it would be drifting out over Washington, and imminently.

Last Thursday, General Richard Myers, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and Donald Rumsfeld’s go-to guy whenever the situation calls for the kind of gravitas the Secretary himself can’t supply, told reporters at the Pentagon that rioting in Afghanistan was related more to the on-going political reconciliation process there, than it was to a controversial note buried in the pages of Newsweek claiming that the government was investigating whether or not some nitwit interrogator at Gitmo really had desecrated a Muslim holy book.

But Monday afternoon, while offering himself up to the networks for a series of rare, almost unprecedented sit-down interviews on the White House lawn, Press Secretary McClellan said, in effect, that General Myers, and the head of the after-action report following the disturbances in Jalalabad, Lieutenant General Karl Eikenberry, were dead wrong. The Newsweek story, McClellan said, “has done damage to our image abroad and it has done damage to the credibility of the media and Newsweek in particular. People have lost lives. This report has had serious consequences.”

Whenever I hear Scott McClellan talking about ‘media credibility,’ I strain to remember who it was who admitted Jeff Gannon to the White House press room and called on him all those times.

Whenever I hear this White House talking about ‘doing to damage to our image abroad’ and how ‘people have lost lives,’ I strain to remember who it was who went traipsing into Iraq looking for WMD that will apparently turn up just after the Holy Grail will - and at what human cost.

Newsweek’s version of this story has varied from the others over the last two years - ones in The Philadelphia Inquirer, The Washington Post, and British and Russian news organizations - only in that it quoted a government source who now says he didn’t have firsthand knowledge of whether or not the investigation took place (oops, sorry, shoulda mentioned that, buh-bye). All of its other government connections - the ones past which it ran the story - have gone from saying nothing like ‘don’t print this, it ain’t true’ or ‘don’t print this, it may be true but it’ll start riots,’ to looking slightly confused and symbolically saying ‘Newsweek? Newsweek who?’

Whatever I smell comes from this odd sequence of events: Newsweek gets blasted by the White House, apologizes over the weekend but doesn't retract its story. Then McClellan offers his Journalism 101 outdoor seminar and blasts the magazine further. Finally, just before 5 PM Monday, the Dan Rather drama replaying itself in its collective corporate mind, Newsweek retracts.

I’m always warning about the logical fallacy - the illusion that just because one event follows another, the latter must have necessarily caused the former. But when I wondered tonight on Countdown if it applied here, Craig Crawford reassured me. “The dots connect.”

The real point, of course, is that you’d have to be pretty dumb to think that making a threat at Gitmo akin to ‘Spill the beans or we’ll kill this Qu’ran’ would have any effect on the prisoners, other than to eventually leak out and inflame anti-American feelings somewhere. Of course, everybody in the prosecution of the so-called ‘war on terror’ has done something dumb, dating back to the President’s worst-possible-word-selection (“crusade”) on September 16, 2001. So why wouldn’t some mid-level interrogator stuck in Cuba think it would be a good idea to desecrate a holy book? Jack Rice, the former CIA special agent and now radio host, said on Countdown that it would be a “knuckleheaded” thing to do, but “plausible.”

One of the most under-publicized analyses of 9/11 concludes that Osama Bin Laden assumed that the attacks on the U.S. would galvanize Islamic anger towards this country, and they'd overthrow their secular governments and woo-hoo we've got an international religious war. Obviously it didn't happen. It didn't even happen when the West went into Iraq. But if stuff like the Newsweek version of a now two-year old tale about toilets and Qu’rans is enough to set off rioting in the streets of countries whose nationals were not even the supposed recipients of the ‘abuse’, then weren’t those members of the military or the government with whom Newsweek vetted the plausibility of its item, honor-bound to say “you can’t print this”?

Or would somebody rather play politics with this? The way Craig Crawford reconstructed it, this one went similarly to the way the Killian Memos story evolved at the White House. The news organization turns to the administration for a denial. The administration says nothing. The news organization runs the story. The administration jumps on the necks of the news organization with both feet - or has its proxies do it for them.

That’s beyond shameful. It’s treasonous.

It’s also not very smart. While places like the Fox News Channel (which, only today, I finally recognized - it’s the newscast perpetually running on the giant video screens in the movie “1984”) ask how many heads should roll at Newsweek, it forgets in its fervor that both the story and the phony controversy around it are not so cut-and-dried this time.

Firstly, the principal reporter on the Gitmo story was Michael Isikoff - “Spikey” in a different lifetime; Linda Tripp’s favorite journalist, and one of the ten people most responsible (intentionally or otherwise) for the impeachment of Bill Clinton. Spikey isn’t just a hero to the Right - the Right owes him.

And larger still, in terms of politics, this isn't well-defined, is it? I mean Conservatives might parrot McClellan and say ‘Newsweek put this country in a bad light.’ But they could just as easily thump their chests and say ‘See, this is what we do to those prisoners at Gitmo! You guys better watch your asses!’

Ultimately, though, the administration may have effected its biggest mistake over this saga, in making the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs look like a liar or naïf, just to draw a little blood out of Newsweek’s hide. Either way - and also for that tasteless, soul-less conclusion that deaths in Afghanistan should be lain at the magazine’s doorstep - Scott McClellan should resign. The expiration on his carton full of blank-eyed bully-collaborator act passed this afternoon as he sat reeling off those holier-than-thou remarks. Ah, that’s what I smelled.
 
My take is that the administration feared that acknowledging the story as the reason for the riots last week would have further inflamed the situation. The rioters would have taken it as a confession, when in fact most officials weren't sure at the time. Then when they were sure, they blasted the faulty story. Not quite something worth resigning for.

Poor Keith Olbermann. I never understood why people liked him. He speaks and writes with high-brow wit that really isn't funny at all. He impresses himself with his writing style, but it's very hard to follow requiring several readings to get the meaning. He really thought he had something profound with this editorial. Unfortunately, it's as ridiculous as he is. Too bad he won't do us all a favor and resign. His personality is more suited for entertainment, not news. He needs a talk show like Dennis Miller or John Stewart.
 
The excerpt from the transcript of the 5/12 press conference.........

Q: Do either one of you have anything about the demonstrations in Afghanistan, which were apparently sparked by reports that there was a lack of respect by some interrogators at Guantanamo for the Koran. Do either one of you have anything to say about that?



GEN. MYERS: It's the -- it's a judgment of our commander in Afghanistan, General Eikenberry, that in fact the violence that we saw in Jalalabad was not necessarily the result of the allegations about disrespect for the Koran -- and I'll get to that in just a minute -- but more tied up in the political process and the reconciliation process that President Karzai and his Cabinet is conducting in Afghanistan. So that's -- that was his judgment today in an after- action of that violence. He didn't -- he thought it was not at all tied to the article in the magazine.

General Craddock, our commander of Southern Command, has been in Guantanamo for the last couple of days digging into this issue to see if there was a time when the Koran was not respected. I can tell you that the version of the Koran that we provide to detainees is approved by the ICRC. So we're very careful about that. They have looked through the logs, the interrogation logs, and they cannot confirm yet that there were ever the case of the toilet incident, except for one case, a log entry, which they still have to confirm, where a detainee was reported by a guard to be ripping pages out of a Koran and putting in the toilet to stop it up as a protest. But not where the U.S. did it.

Now, there -- so it's something we're going to look at. That's still unconfirmed; it's a log entry that has to be confirmed. There are several log entries that show that the Koran may have been moved to -- and the detainees became irritated about it, but never an incident where it was thrown in the toilet.

So, it sounds to me like our military officials had already dismissed any connection between the riot-related deaths in Afghanistan to the Newsweek article (in fact they offered a logical connection to the "reconciliation process that President Karzai and his Cabinet is conducting in Afghanistan"), but now the white house is blowing this way out of proportion and vilifying Newsweek and the media in general? I don't know for sure as I haven't read the original Newsweek article myself, but this sounds like SSDD.
 
Nope. Seems pretty obvious to me that the US govt. was scared the allegations were true and wanted to downplay the consequences of it. Now that the Newsweek article is known to be bogus, blasting Newsweek was the best way to quiet the situation in Afghanistan as that got more media attention. A good side effect is that reporters will be more careful in getting their facts straight. Remember guys (left, right, and middle) that misinformation against the U.S. is not good for any of us. We're all on the same team.
 
Smells like some texas :bsflag: to me. This article points out the history of the accusations about the qoran, and recent detainees released have reported similar incidents.
Don't Blame Newsweek
By Molly Ivins
Creators Syndicate

Tuesday 17 May 2005

Austin, Texas -- As Riley used to say on an ancient television sitcom, "This is a revoltin' development." There seems to be a bit of a campaign on the right to blame Newsweek for the anti-American riots in Afghanistan, Pakistan and other Islamic countries.

Uh, people, I hate to tell you this, but the story about Americans abusing the Koran in order to enrage prisoners has been out there for quite some time. The first mention I found of it is March 17, 2004, when the Independent of London interviewed the first British citizen released from Guantanamo Bay. The prisoner said he had been physically beaten but did not consider that as bad as the psychological torture, which he described extensively. Jamal al-Harith, a computer programmer from Manchester, said 70 percent of the inmates had gone on a hunger strike after a guard kicked a copy of the Koran. The strike was ended by force-feeding.

Then came the report, widely covered in American media last December, by the International Red Cross concerning torture at Gitmo. I wrote at the time: "In the name of Jesus Christ Almighty, why are people representing our government, paid by us, writing filth on the Korans of helpless prisoners? Is this American? Is this Christian? What are our moral values? Where are the clergymen on this? Speak up, speak out."

The reports kept coming: Dec. 30, 2004, "Released Moroccan Guantanamo Detainee Tells Islamist Paper of His Ordeal," reported the Financial Times. "They watched you each time you went to the toilet; the American soldiers used to tear up copies of Koran and throw them in the toilet. ..." said the released prisoner.

On Jan. 9, 2005, Andrew Sullivan, writing in The Sunday Times of London, said: "We now know a great deal about what has gone on in U.S. detention facilities under the Bush administration. Several government and Red Cross reports detail the way many detainees have been treated. We know for certain that the United States has tortured five inmates to death. We know that 23 others have died in U.S. custody under suspicious circumstances. We know that torture has been practiced by almost every branch of the U.S. military in sites all over the world -- from Abu Ghraib to Tikrit, Mosul, Basra, Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay.

"We know that no incidents of abuse have been reported in regular internment facilities and that hundreds have occurred in prisons geared to getting intelligence. We know that thousands of men, women and children were grabbed almost at random from their homes in Baghdad, taken to Saddam's former torture palace and subjected to abuse, murder, beatings, semi-crucifixions and rape.

"All of this is detailed in the official reports. What has been perpetrated in secret prisons to 'ghost detainees' hidden from Red Cross inspection, we do not know. We may never know.

"This is America? While White House lawyers were arguing about what separates torture from legitimate 'coercive interrogation techniques,' the following was taking place: Prisoners were hanged for hours or days from bars or doors in semi-crucifixions; they were repeatedly beaten unconscious, woken and then beaten again for days on end; they were sodomized; they were urinated on, kicked in the head, had their ribs broken, and were subjected to electric shocks.

"Some Muslims had pork or alcohol forced down their throats; they had tape placed over their mouths for reciting the Koran; many Muslims were forced to be naked in front of each other, members of the opposite sex and sometimes their own families. It was routine for the abuses to be photographed in order to threaten the showing of the humiliating footage to family members."

The New York Times reported on May 1 on the same investigation Newsweek was writing about and interviewed a released Kuwaiti, who spoke of three major hunger strikes, one of them touched off by "guards' handling copies of the Koran, which had been tossed into a pile and stomped on. A senior officer delivered an apology over the camp's loudspeaker system, pledging that such abuses would stop. Interpreters, standing outside each prison block, translated the officer's apology. A former interrogator at Guantanamo, in an interview with the Times, confirmed the accounts of the hunger strikes, including the public expression of regret over the treatment of the Korans."

So where does all this leave us? With a story that is not only true, but previously reported numerous times. So let's drop the "Lynch Newsweek" bull. Seventeen people have died in these riots. They didn't die because of anything Newsweek did -- the riots were caused by what our government has done.

Get your minds around it. Our country is guilty of torture. To quote myself once more: "What are you going to do about this? It's your country, your money, your government. You own this country, you run it, you are the board of directors. They are doing this in your name. The people we elected to public office do what you want them to. Perhaps you should get in touch with them."
 
97silverlsc said:
Get your minds around it. Our country is guilty of torture. To quote myself once more: "What are you going to do about this? It's your country, your money, your government. You own this country, you run it, you are the board of directors. They are doing this in your name. The people we elected to public office do what you want them to. Perhaps you should get in touch with them."
I'm going to send them more money and tell them to keep up the good work.
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There is no doubt about many of those accusations above. But you CANNOT give credibility to every single allegation as being the truth. That is my point. There is enough against the US out there that we don't need faulty stories printed in magazines. These things continue to be minimized and reduced. There are bad cops out there as well, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't fight crime in general. Is the real point of this anti-Iraqi war from you guys is that you don't believe in war period? Because the stuff that you're jumping on is stuff that happens in every war, from the Revolutionary War to WWI and II to today. Again, by no means am I condoning it. I'm against it. But the things you guys are pointing out are not conducive to peace. Where is the outcry about Christian Bibles not even being allowed in certain countries because of religious sensitivities? You don't hear me crying about how unfair it is. Take a good, long, objective look. We're the good guys. You may not know it and that is the sad part. We're not perfect, but we are the good guys.
 
Kbob said:
There is no doubt about many of those accusations above. But you CANNOT give credibility to every single allegation as being the truth. That is my point. There is enough against the US out there that we don't need faulty stories printed in magazines. These things continue to be minimized and reduced.

But apparently the Newsweek story was NOT "faulty" after all. What pisses me off about this is not so much the tortuing stuff (as you said, it happens in every war, although the tortuing still pisses me off, we as americans SHOULD be above that), but the bullying from the white house to censure the facts and the villifying of the media from the GOP........ when the MEDIA is NOT THE VILLIANS HERE, it's those loose cannons tortuing the prisoners. This smacks of communism and is undeniably UN-AMERICAN. All the white house has done is to exasperate (sp?) the problem by finger pointing and blame dodging. Go ahead GW, keep digging your grave.
 
JohnnyBz00LS said:
But apparently the Newsweek story was NOT "faulty" after all.
If that were true, there would not have been a retraction. There are too many examples that support this. I don't have any problem with the govt. bullying the media to be responsible when they're wrong. The media certainly doesn't pull any punches with the govt. This is another check in our system. If the US media were more objective, they'd be doing more stories on the atrocities committed against US citizens and Iraqi's by the insurgents. But all is quiet on that front. But then that would help George Bush wouldn't it. Makes me want to puke.
 
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You don't read the paper? Everyday there are headlines about how many Americans are killed by insurgent car bombings or whatever. Seems pretty "objective" to me. Yet, if the GOP had their way, we would NOT hear about these stories either.

Anyone have a link to the Newsweek story and the retraction? I'd like to see it for myself before I put my foot in my mouth. Although, as you well know, I'm not afraid to taste my shoe leather once in awhile. :N
 
JohnnyBz00LS said:
You don't read the paper? Everyday there are headlines about how many Americans are killed by insurgent car bombings or whatever. Seems pretty "objective" to me. Yet, if the GOP had their way, we would NOT hear about these stories either.
How about some stories of all the good we are doing in Iraq, and for that matter, around the world. You never hear about it. If the media gave equal time to the good and the bad, then fine. But they don't. We hear about every single US person killed in Iraq but we never hear about the new school full of kids paid for by us. Thousands of good deeds are being done and we hear of none of them. Why? Because then support for our actions in Iraq would be 90% and Bush's approval ratings would be 75% and conservatives and Republicans would be able to keep a foothold in directing this country in the right direction and keeping us safe.

Torturing prisoners? Sure it sucks. If somebody has information and we need it, bring in Jack Bauer. What about the torture those people in the towers felt. Knowing you were either going to be burned to death or crushed. What about those people? That wasn't torture?

Tearing off some pages from a book! Too f-in bad. They have no problem burning our flag, do they? We should make a huge pile of these books and make them light the match and let them watch it burn, baby burn. An eye for eye, tooth for tooth. We are trying to protect humanity. They are trying to destroy it. Suicide missions and virgins in heaven. Who the hell do you think we are dealing with? I fully support whatever it is the government has to do to get the information we need to stop the bad guys from killing us.

Like I said. Way to go and keep up the good work. You have my support. Gitmo guys...:yourock:
 
We need to stop going back to the WTC attack for justification, whether it be for the Iraqi war or torture, because it's been shown there was NO CONNECTION between the WTC attacks and Iraq. Stop regurgitating Shrubs lies! :slam
 
97silverlsc said:
We need to stop going back to the WTC attack for justification, whether it be for the Iraqi war or torture, because it's been shown there was NO CONNECTION between the WTC attacks and Iraq. Stop regurgitating Shrubs lies! :slam
OK, I'll go back to Saddam attacking Kuwait without provocation. Then fighting, losing and surrendering. Then snubbing his nose at the world as he tried and succeeded in accumulating WMD. Then challenging us to find it. Then fighting again and losing and having his a s s pulled from a hole in the ground. That sounds about right to me.

We needed to go to Afganistan anyway. If Clinton the pussy had taken care of business when it needed to be tended to, GW wouldn't have had to deal with it. All you lefties are so ready to turn the other cheek and get your butt handed to you again. I'm not willing to allow anybody for any reason to use a WMD of any kind on any innocent US civilians, ever!
 
According to Bryan lies are just bent truths and those are OK for a CIC.
 
Now you've proven yourself to be a bully and a liar. Show me where I've used those words.
 
barry2952 said:
Now you've proven yourself to be a bully and a liar. Show me where I've used those words.
Man, here's the smiley.
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It was a joke. You know, humor. A play on words. Tit for tat. Just having fun. I'll make sure to stay out of your posts in the future.

BTW, you called Bush a Liar because he bent the truth. I'll go find that thread and reread and post what you wrote. OK?
 
Man, here's the smiley.
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It was a joke. You know, humor. A play on words. Tit for tat. Just having fun. I'll make sure to stay out of your posts in the future.

I seem to recall you calling Bush a liar because he bent the truth. I'll go find that thread and reread and post what you wrote. OK?

And I would consider your calling me both a bully and a liar a personal attack. No big deal. I've been called worse in my life but I think you know where this name calling gets us. Nowhere. So I'll end with... Sticks and stones may break my bones...:N but words will never hurt me.
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JohnnyBz00LS said:
You don't read the paper? Everyday there are headlines about how many Americans are killed by insurgent car bombings or whatever. Seems pretty "objective" to me.
Oh yeah, real objective. Article reads something to the effect of: "suicide bombing kills 30 people . . . no end in sight . . . US forces hindered . . . bloodbath . . . Yankee go home . . . quagmire." I've read them alright. They minimize and ridicule the US military at almost every turn.
 

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