Narco-God

04SCTLS

Dedicated LVC Member
Joined
May 13, 2007
Messages
3,188
Reaction score
7
Location
Lockport
Narco-God

http://blogs.chron.com/talkingtolerance/2010/07/narcogod.html

Americans receive nearly daily reports of jihadist killings, suicide bombings and beheadings in various parts of the world. Most of this religion-inspired violence occurs oceans away from us, although recent events suggest that "home-grown" religious terrorism of the Islamic variety is on the rise in the United States.

Meanwhile, much closer to our borders is another form of religious violence, carried out by so-called Christians, that doesn't get quite as much coverage as that carried out by those who claim to be Muslims.

In the last three and a half years, over 23,000 murders have been carried out by drug cartels in Mexico. The most heinous are perpetrated by La Familia Michoacana, a group fueled by evangelical fervor and America's apparently insatiable appetite for methamphetamine. La Familia's signature move is decapitation. Headless bodies show up routinely in areas where the group is most active, including now not only Michoacana but also Mexico City and Juarez. A few years ago they rolled 5 heads from rival Zeta gang members across a crowded disco floor to make their point.

La Familia was a small-time player until they took advantage of the 2005 U.S. law that restricted sales of pseudoephedrine, from which meth is made, in order to shut down American production of the illicit drug. As American production fizzled, La Familia ramped up their own to re-supply and expand the American market for the drug. Currently, officials estimate that 200 tons of meth flow into America annually, worth about $20 billion on the street (meth sells for $100 a gram). Yes, that's billion.

Meth is the most popular illicit drug in the American midwest and west.
La Familia is led by Nazario Moreno Gonzalez, known as El Mas Loco ("the craziest one") who has achieved near saint status in the Michoacana area and beyond. While a cocaine ferrier to the U.S. in the 90's, he obtained a book entitled Wild at Heart: Discovering the Secret of a Man's Soul, by John Eldredge of Ransomed Heart Ministries in Colorado Springs. Eldredge advocates a "muscular" Christianity for men focused on family values and service to community, and emphasizes that men are warriors who must have a battle to fight. This battle is their mission and it exceeds even family and home.

Moreno Gonzalez appropriated this message, mixed it with other themes from Latino evangelicalism and "Godfather" movies, added water, stirred and came up with his own bible of sorts, called Pensamientos ("Thoughts") in which he preaches a message of family, faith, community, native land and a willingness to fight for them all. La Familia members engage in daily prayer sessions, study of scripture, and are required to be drug-free.

Eldredge, when asked about his book being used by the drug lord, said that people always "shroud and try to cloak or distort their practices by draping it in religious language." He's right. La Familia's narco-god is not too different from the Taliban's opium-funded god of the jihadists. And these two deities are different only in degree from the blood-drunken, revengeful tribal deities of a dozen other religions, both living and dead, who lead their followers into battle against their "enemies" to defend whatever they value - land, power, resources, their version of truth, whatever.

Ecclesiastes is right; there is nothing new under the sun.

_______________________________________________________________

Religion as a tool?

Never thought of drug dealers being driven by christian evangelicalism.

Ah :rolleyes: The cleverness of man over his fellow man.
 
They're not Christians despite your attempt to paint them as such.

Even the article says 'so-called.'

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.


/thread
 
This would be another reason why we need to put effective border security in place on the Southern border.
 
They're not Christians despite your attempt to paint them as such.

Even the article says 'so-called.'

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.


/thread

I'm not painting them as christians.
I think it's brilliant and cynical at the same time.
Kind of like Al Queda using religion as reason and justification for their actions.
This is just an example of religion being used as a means to an end by clever men.

I posted this just because I wasn't aware of "religious" drug dealers
rastafarians notwithstanding.
 
They're not Christians despite your attempt to paint them as such.

Even the article says 'so-called.'

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

/thread

They definitely aren't good christians..... But, they are using (twisting) christian teachings. This is equivocal to muslims using islamic teachings to create jihadists and other extremists. I don't think anyone believes (outside of his followers) that christianity teaches this kind of thing. The point of this was that they are twisting christian evangelicalism to create terrorists to our south, just like they are twisting Islam in the middle east. This is more a commentary on the gullibility of the oppressed and the power religion has, than on the virtue of religion.
 
They definitely aren't good christians..... But, they are using (twisting) christian teachings. This is equivocal to muslims using islamic teachings to create jihadists and other extremists. I don't think anyone believes (outside of his followers) that christianity teaches this kind of thing. The point of this was that they are twisting christian evangelicalism to create terrorists to our south, just like they are twisting Islam in the middle east. This is more a commentary on the gullibility of the oppressed and the power religion has, than on the virtue of religion.
Quite right.

I was referring to this quote from 04 (who loves to stir up the pot per his own admission):

Never thought of drug dealers being driven by christian evangelicalism.
The implication is that Christian evangelicalism is the cause of this behavior, rather than just being used as a front for it.

He thinks he's subtle, but his agenda is clear - most of his posts are designed to poke at Christianity.
 
Quite right.

I was referring to this quote from 04 (who loves to stir up the pot per his own admission):

The implication is that Christian evangelicalism is the cause of this behavior, rather than just being used as a front for it.

He thinks he's subtle, but his agenda is clear - most of his posts are designed to poke at Christianity.

I'm not implying that Christianity is the cause of the behaviour though you somehow see it that way.
You do tend to jump to your own conclusions prematurely.
It is only being cleverly used to further a means to an end.

I poke at organized religion in general mostly as a tool used to try and control people and their behavior.

I don't have any particular beef with Christianity.

I have stated that I subscribe to Einstein's view of organized religion as being "childish" and "wishful thinking"

But that does not mean I don't believe there could be a God, just not the man god one of organized religion.

My idea of God is that the universe is God, the giver of life and the reaper of death.

The universe in and of itself is a being in another dimension that is alive (scentient or not) but on a much slower time table than us short term humans.



Eventually even the rocks reconstitute themselves.

I don't want or need organized religion and have lived a happy organized religion free life.

Maybe it all goes back to being unwillingly sent to an all boys catholic high school and having to sit through manditory religion classes and school masses and such.

Or we'd get hauled out in our scout uniforms (monkey suits we used to call them) to big public 2 hr masses with the Ukrainian bishop or some other similar event that would ruin my weekends.

Time never went so slow as when I was at a mass or religious function.
Too bad the ipod wasn't around then.

But then I knew I was not religious the first time I had to sit through a mass when I was 6.

I had to endure 10 years from 6 to 16 yrs old of unwanted unwelcome religious indoctrination and ritual.

Now it's only weddings and funerals.

So anytime someone uses religion for their own earthly goals I respond with cynicism.
 
I'm not implying that Christianity is the cause of the behaviour though you somehow see it that way.
You do tend to jump to your own conclusions prematurely.
It is only being cleverly used to further a means to an end.
And yet you said this:
Never thought of drug dealers being driven by christian evangelicalism.
How is that jumping to conclusions? YOU SAID IT. Your statement clearly denotes cause and effect. In context, you're actually self-contradictory at best.

Now, if you want to walk back that particular statement and say that you misspoke, that's fine - go ahead.

But as it stands right now you clearly stated Christianity drives drug dealers.
 
And yet you said this:

How is that jumping to conclusions? YOU SAID IT. Your statement clearly denotes cause and effect. In context, you're actually self-contradictory at best.

Now, if you want to walk back that particular statement and say that you misspoke, that's fine - go ahead.

But as it stands right now you clearly stated Christianity drives drug dealers.

Oh what a difference a word makes.
Ok then
Christianity used to drive drug dealers not Christianity drives drug dealers.
I'll retract that implication you see.
They're not spreading the Gospel with meth.
But they're using religion in this case Christianity as part of their motivation and business model.
 
Goddfellas?
But all of those guys wound up dead, disgraced, or in prison.
And frankly, it's believed that Henry Hill greatly embellished the story to make it, and himself, seem more interesting.

But, speaking of Henry Hill, have you seen him lately?
He's a train wreck. A miserable, degenerate alcoholic. There's even supposed to be a video of him getting drugged and raped by two guys in circulation, it was mentioned while he was being interviewed on the Howard Stern radio show.
 
But all of those guys wound up dead, disgraced, or in prison.
And frankly, it's believed that Henry Hill greatly embellished the story to make it, and himself, seem more interesting.

But, speaking of Henry Hill, have you seen him lately?
He's a train wreck. A miserable, degenerate alcoholic. There's even supposed to be a video of him getting drugged and raped by two guys in circulation, it was mentioned while he was being interviewed on the Howard Stern radio show.

Yes and Howard Hughes one time richest man in the world died a drug addict with needles in his arms.
Just because he was a mobster is not causally linked to his decline although his post mobster life probably contributed to his depression.

How about The Departed.
Loosly based on a Boston mobster who ran the FBI around his finger, or other mobsters who died of natural causes.

But yes getting murdered is a big occupational mobster hazard.
 
Oh what a difference a word makes.
Ok then
Christianity used to drive drug dealers not Christianity drives drug dealers.
I'll retract that implication you see.
They're not spreading the Gospel with meth.
But they're using religion in this case Christianity as part of their motivation and business model.
Words mean things. You are reluctantly backing off an implication that you like to make often. Don't play "Wha-? Me?" in this case - it's not convincing.

And it's more accurate to say that they are lying in order to lend faux credibility to their illegal and nefarious practices.
 
Just because he was a mobster is not causally linked to his decline although his post mobster life probably contributed to his depression.

However, certain anti-social sentiments, vices, etc that are part of the mob culture are very likely causally linked to his current sad state.
 
Words mean things. You are reluctantly backing off an implication that you like to make often. Don't play "Wha-? Me?" in this case - it's not convincing.

And it's more accurate to say that they are lying in order to lend faux credibility to their illegal and nefarious practices.


As a Christian you feel threatened and are quick to jump like a bulldog to the defense of Christianity even though I'm critical of organized religion in general but not so much Christianity specifically.

To me it's all wishfull thinking.

Being brought up in a Catholic atmosphere of elementary middle and secondary schools with a Catholic religion curriculum I am more familiar with that than other faiths.

I'll agree these guys have perverted Christianity to their own ends so they have twisted it into a lie.
I'm sorry if you thought I was implying that Christianity condones and supports drug abuse because that was not my intention.

I was not aware that some drug dealers were using Christianity in their business model(were you?)and that was the purpose of my post.

It would be interesting to see how they justify their actions and what scriptures they use for that.
 
No, I wasn't aware of that. But it doesn't surprise me. Just curious - where do you get all these stories? Is there a website that keeps that topic up to date?

You'd be surprised that I actually hold organized religion per se in low regard. I'm a Baptist, and yet I have a low opinion of most Baptist churches that seek to erect huge buildings at their members' expense while neglecting their benevolence funds.

I will, however, always seek to clarify and correct the record whenever Christianity is besmirched. And that includes making sure everybody understands the definition of Christianity - and that it isn't a catch-all for all denominations that have hymnals and some version of the Bible in their church pews.
 
However, certain anti-social sentiments, vices, etc that are part of the mob culture are very likely causally linked to his current sad state.

In Ukrainian there is a word Vikinchiv which means finished as in he finished himself.

He has finished himself or is finishing himself.
 
No, I wasn't aware of that. But it doesn't surprise me. Just curious - where do you get all these stories? Is there a website that keeps that topic up to date?

Are you being coy with me?

It sounds like it :p

A source for man bites dog stories?

Well there's this list of papers all over the country

http://dir.yahoo.com/News_and_Media/Newspapers/

as well as the Canadian press and so on.

Otherwise I have about 40 newspapers in a folder.
When I find a periodical or site I enjoy I add it to my folder.
In IE8 I like to click on file and send shortcut to desktop, then drag and drop into a folder so I have all my papers in 1 file with icons and all my car stuff links in another folder etc.
I almost never use the favorites function.
It gets cluttered.
I don't know if other browsers have the send shortcut to desktop function but firefox does not.

Sometimes I may take something from the CamaroZ28 board but they don't allow politics or religion there in the lounge.

I try to post stuff not in the general media or on HuffPo or Hot Air as everybody reads those.

It's kind of like Dave Berg's slice of life from Mad Magazine the articles I find interesting.
 
I thought Dave Berg was dead?

I don't know.
I haven't read MAD in years but had over 50 pocketbooks and a subscription when I was a teenager.
Wound up donating them to a Ukrainian Catholic elementary school (!) but the teachers probably took them home.:p

Slice of Life was one of my favorite columns.
 
If you want a much better example of someone recreating and presenting some Christian images to advance their own personal power and terror, look at the THE Lord's Resistance Army in Africa.

I would also suggest looking at Islam too, but that's terribly politically incorrect to say.
 

being part of an extended family that has your back, being able to get away with sh1t, being able to f*ck hella chicks, being able to have cool guns/cars....learning fun and exciting fighting styles. Meet some pretty serious ppl....
 
being part of an extended family that has your back, being able to get away with sh1t, being able to f*ck hella chicks, being able to have cool guns/cars....learning fun and exciting fighting styles. Meet some pretty serious ppl....

I see.
You want to be a character in a really bad-ass mafia movie, because you want to be a consequence free adolescent;
not the real thing.
 

Staff online

Members online

Back
Top