Obama accepts Peace Prize for doing nothing

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What a cruel joke the world has played on Obama.

[snipped from Obama's aceptance speech]
"I receive this honor with deep gratitude and great humility. It is an award that speaks to our highest aspirations – that for all the cruelty and hardship of our world, we are not mere prisoners of fate. Our actions matter, and can bend history in the direction of justice.

And yet I would be remiss if I did not acknowledge the considerable controversy that your generous decision has generated. In part, this is because I am at the beginning, and not the end, of my labors on the world stage. Compared to some of the giants of history who have received this prize – Schweitzer and King; Marshall and Mandela – my accomplishments are slight."






Do these pictures look similar in some way?

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He's in a lose-lose situation here, he accepted and acknowledged he hasn't done much [yet]. If he didn't accept, you'd be probably be calling him an ungrateful snob for it.
 
He's in a lose-lose situation here, he accepted and acknowledged he hasn't done much [yet]. If he didn't accept, you'd be probably be calling him an ungrateful snob for it.

There were ways to make it a win situation, he's just too arrogant, too self-important, and too busy apologizing to the world to have seized it.

Of course, had he been the type of honorable, American man to do that, they wouldn't have awarded him the prize in the first place.
 
There were ways to make it a win situation, he's just too arrogant, too self-important, and too busy apologizing to the world to have seized it.

Of course, had he been the type of honorable, American man to do that, they wouldn't have awarded him the prize in the first place.

I think he did make it into a win situation Cal...

Conservative praise for Nobel speech

President Barack Obama’s Nobel Peace Prize speech Thursday is drawing praise from some unlikely quarters – conservative Republicans – who likened Obama’s defense of “just wars” to the worldview of his predecessor, Republican George W. Bush.

It’s already being called the “Obama Doctrine” – a notion that foreign policy is a struggle of good and evil, that American exceptionalism has blunted the force of tyranny in the world, and that U.S. military can be a force for good and even harnessed to humanitarian ends.

“There will be times,” Obama said, “when nations – acting individually or in concert – will find the use of force not only necessary but morally justified.”

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I think he did make it into a win situation Cal...

Conservative praise for Nobel speech

President Barack Obama’s Nobel Peace Prize speech Thursday is drawing praise from some unlikely quarters – conservative Republicans – who likened Obama’s defense of “just wars” to the worldview of his predecessor, Republican George W. Bush.

It’s already being called the “Obama Doctrine” – a notion that foreign policy is a struggle of good and evil, that American exceptionalism has blunted the force of tyranny in the world, and that U.S. military can be a force for good and even harnessed to humanitarian ends.

“There will be times,” Obama said, “when nations – acting individually or in concert – will find the use of force not only necessary but morally justified.”

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Don't worry, he doesn't mean it. The Afghan war is nothing but an annoyance to him. He'd much rather not deal with it.
 
I think he did make it into a win situation Cal...

Conservative praise for Nobel speech

President Barack Obama’s Nobel Peace Prize speech Thursday is drawing praise from some unlikely quarters – conservative Republicans – who likened Obama’s defense of “just wars” to the worldview of his predecessor, Republican George W. Bush.

It’s already being called the “Obama Doctrine” – a notion that foreign policy is a struggle of good and evil, that American exceptionalism has blunted the force of tyranny in the world, and that U.S. military can be a force for good and even harnessed to humanitarian ends.

“There will be times,” Obama said, “when nations – acting individually or in concert – will find the use of force not only necessary but morally justified.”

<snip>

And....do you have a reason to think he made it a "winnable" situation? Because the passage you give doesn't provide one.

Also, who exactly is calling this the "Obama Doctrine"? the idea that there is good and evil in the world and that evil must be confront and defeated is nothing new....except to a modern day liberal perhaps.
 
I think he did make it into a win situation Cal...
I think he merely pulled back from the brink of massive disaster.
But had he taken that statement farther, accepted on behalf of the American soldiers and their missions that would have been better.

The entirety of his speech is far less inspiring than the small part of it designed for our consumption here.
 
And....do you have a reason to think he made it a "winnable" situation? Because the passage you give doesn't provide one.

Also, who exactly is calling this the "Obama Doctrine"? the idea that there is good and evil in the world and that evil must be confront and defeated is nothing new....except to a modern day liberal perhaps.

Shag - as per usual, I don't place the whole article here - I really do believe in making you go to source... Read the whole article - I obviously placed the snip to lead you to the rest of the article.

He used the opportunity to create a 'win' situation. An opportunity to clearly state views and policy that his administration will embrace on a very 'world' platform. Why America might is a positive force in the world,

“Whatever mistakes we have made, the plain fact is this: the United States of America has helped underwrite global security for more than six decades with the blood of our citizens and the strength of our arms,” Obama said. “The service and sacrifice of our men and women in uniform has promoted peace and prosperity from Germany to Korea, and enabled democracy to take hold in places like the Balkans.”

And later in the speech

“As someone who stands here as a direct consequence of Dr. King’s life’s work, I am living testimony to the moral force of non-violence,” the president said. “I know there is nothing weak –nothing passive – nothing naïve – in the creed and lives of Gandhi and King. But as a head of state sworn to protect and defend my nation, I cannot be guided by their examples alone.”

I believe Jake Tapper used Obama Doctrine...

It is a very good speech - you can read it here
 
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Again, what is there in any of that to make you think he made the situation "winnable"? Or do you think that his speech made the situation winnable?
 
Again, what is there in any of that to make you think he made the situation "winnable"? Or do you think that his speech made the situation winnable?

:confused:

Are you talking about the same thing Cal is?
 
I think he merely pulled back from the brink of massive disaster.
But had he taken that statement farther, accepted on behalf of the American soldiers and their missions that would have been better.

The entirety of his speech is far less inspiring than the small part of it designed for our consumption here.

It is a decent speech - it will resonate with many Americans, like it did with Gingrich and Palin.

Obama embraced American Exceptionalism well - that is how it became a 'win'. The award became far less about Obama and far more about America.

Cal - you stated...
There were ways to make it a win situation, he's just too arrogant, too self-important, and too busy apologizing to the world to have seized it.

Read the speech- there isn't a lot of self importance, self arrogance seems to have been set aside. There is however an arrogance about unashamedly being American, and of our place in the world. How America will be the one that the world can still look to as a voice for freedom, rights, democracy. And if necessary, we will fight even unpopular wars to uphold those values, especially for those who are unable to take on their oppressors.

As I said - good speech -

We can acknowledge that oppression will always be with us, and still strive for justice. We can admit the intractability of depravation, and still strive for dignity. We can understand that there will be war, and still strive for peace. We can do that - for that is the story of human progress; that is the hope of all the world; and at this moment of challenge, that must be our work here on Earth.
 
Sorry, I was talking about Afghanistan and Obama's approach to that. My bad. ;)

Whew :) I thought I was really missing something, or had an extreme blond moment... ;)

- well, read it if you get a chance, especially if you are into speech writing - an excellent example, a 'defining moment' type of speech.
 
read it if you get a chance, especially if you are into speech writing - an excellent example, a 'defining moment' type of speech.

From what I have seen, there is little sincerity and honesty in Obama's speeches. He says a lot that sound good but that his actions (and the facts) contradict. Therefore, I don't see him as capable of truly making a "defining moment" type of speech, especially when it comes to foreign policy. Only a person of integrity can make a "defining moment" type of speech in that context, IMO.

He may have acknowledged evil and the need to confront it in that speech, but other actions of his call that into question.
 
It is a decent speech -
A decent speech...
I'm not going to argue with praise like that.

However, as I stated before, I think he should have accepted the prize on behalf of the men and women who serve. That he should have accepted the award and framed the award as recognition of the American military mission. For liberating millions of people and extended peace through out the world. I would have supported a more defiant tone, though that's not the most diplomatic course of action.

I can go through the speech and find lines and references that I take issue with. But on it's surface I would agree, it's was a successful speech.

Obama embraced American Exceptionalism well - that is how it became a 'win'. The award became far less about Obama and far more about America.
Actually, I don't agree with you on this.
I don't think he embraced American exceptionalism, though I'm not surprised, I don't think he believes in it.

Read the speech- there isn't a lot of self importance, self arrogance seems to have been set aside. There is however an arrogance about unashamedly being American, and of our place in the world. How America will be the one that the world can still look to as a voice for freedom, rights, democracy. And if necessary, we will fight even unpopular wars to uphold those values, especially for those who are unable to take on their oppressors.
Again, I don't think that's what he was saying.
I think that's what it's supposed to sound like, but that's not what he said.

As I said - good speech -
I agreed with you on "decent."
I don't know if I'll go so far as good based upon some of the content.

that must be our work here on Earth.
"OUR work".... it was a globalist speech.


But most importantly, I wonder who actually wrote the speech for him.
 
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Obama speeches have one fatal flaw - they have no passion. They're cold and calculating. It's clear that he doesn't believe or mean anything he says in his speeches.
 
And if necessary, we will fight even unpopular wars to uphold those values, especially for those who are unable to take on their oppressors.

And what about us? Obama and his administration are oppressing us.

Who is going to come to our aid?

We are being attacked from within! Is Obama going to save us from himself?
 
Obama speeches have one fatal flaw - they have no passion. They're cold and calculating. It's clear that he doesn't believe or mean anything he says in his speeches.

Words, just words.

All he cares about is the soundbite. Behind the scenes he is doing the exact opposite.

I could rip each and every speech apart, line by line, as a pack of lies.

If Obama says one thing, you can be damn sure he is doing the exact opposite with his communist buddies abetting him.
 
It was fairly defiant Cal - it certainly didn't back down that we need to fight wars - and America will continue to fight for the causes we believe in.

I liked that it was about 'America' and not just the men and women in uniform. Others create peace, just as it isn't just the men and women who go to war who sacrifice. American families at home, Americans who are overseas in humanitarian rolls who are at danger. Americans who are overseas on religious missions are also in danger, and also promote equality and peace. Americans who are at home, supporting a war effort or a peace effort.

I can certainly see where it would have been good to accept it on the behalf of those men and women, but it would have left out millions in America who also work for not only peace, but fairness and equality in many different ways.

I don't see why you don't see the American exceptionalism - the part where he talked about how we need to not only embrace these ideals but even go beyond that, that is what America embodies - that we have the ability to fight wars, but not lower ourselves to the level of the oppressors that we are battling. We are better than they are... that is exceptionalism.

I watched it later last night - it is a good speech. Content you might not agree with totally - but as a speech it is good - and Foss - watch it - there is plenty of passion there. I think people want him to go down the route of black preacher - he isn't like that - he has some of the same cadences in his voice - but, he isn't going to belt them out. I think he could, and actually has to hold himself back. I don't think he wants to be identified that closely with that type of speaker. It might be a stereotype thing for him.

It was globalist in some respects - it is a global prize. I think he took the opportunity to tell the world that America's work is the world's work. America is taking on the world's problems, and has for decades - now it is time for the world to step up and follow our lead. We liberated Europe and others - now they need to take that gift from America, and go out and help us in other parts of the world that are oppressed.

As far as writing it - I don't know - he seemed very comfortable with it - so certainly he had a lot of input - he certainly was far more comfortable with this speech than the one at West Point. That one certainly seemed like he wasn't very comfortable with.
 
It was fairly defiant Cal - it certainly didn't back down that we need to fight wars - and America will continue to fight for the causes we believe in.

Yet his policies counter that; specifically, his setting an effective end date to the war.
 
Yet his policies counter that; specifically, his setting an effective end date to the war.

But, he also set a caveat to that Shag - that they will be taking into account conditions on the ground - If the commanding officers don't feel that we can leave 'responsibly' at that time, we will remain.

Taken together, these additional American and international troops will allow us to accelerate handing over responsibility to Afghan forces, and allow us to begin the transfer of our forces out of Afghanistan in July of 2011. Just as we have done in Iraq, we will execute this transition responsibly, taking into account conditions on the ground. We will continue to advise and assist Afghanistan's Security Forces to ensure that they can succeed over the long haul. But it will be clear to the Afghan government - and, more importantly, to the Afghan people - that they will ultimately be responsible for their own country.
 
Did yesterday’s Nobel speech announce the “Obama doctrine”?

Tapper says yes. I say “Huh?”
With that in mind, he made clear his guiding principles:

1) that the US must hold itself to a higher code of conduct, hence his invocation of his ban on torture and his order of the closure of the detainee center at Guantanamo Bay;

2) that the international community, if it is truly serious about trying to avoid war, must fully engage tough diplomacy against rogue nations such as North Korea and Iran that would keep crises surrounding those nations from becoming wars;

3) that the world must engage with governments of ill-repute, and try to bring them back into the fold; and

4) that a nation’s hostility towards human rights and economic injustice cannot be allowed to thrive, for those conditions lead to war in the long term.
I’ll concede number three, but only with the reminder that Hamas is the de facto sovereign government in Gaza and The One refuses to chat with them lest he alienate pro-Israel Democrats. As for the rest of it, in what way do any of these principles amount to a concrete “doctrine” that would let us predict how Obama will address concrete foreign policy problems? (No wonder Angelina Jolie’s confused about his Darfur policy.) Re-read the speech. Sometimes war is necessary but we must always be open to diplomacy, and multilateral action is best although unilateral action may also be warranted, and we should strive towards our moral ideals while also defending our national interests. That’s vintage Obama, refusing to commit to any position unless and until he absolutely has to. Which is fine by me — why should he tie his own hands as C-in-C? — but a “doctrine” it isn’t.

In fact, let’s take Tapper’s points in turn:

1) Yes, The One wants America to hold itself to a higher standard of conduct — but higher than what? Higher than Bush’s standard, clearly, but not all that high in the abstract. This is, after all, a guy who’s developed a two-tiered legal system for Gitmo jihadis that will let him conduct show trials that serve him politically. And he also had the stones to stand up earlier this year in front of the Constitution (literally) and lecture Bush and Cheney on American ideals before announcing that some terrorists in U.S. custody would continue to be detained indefinitely without trial. And needless to say, neither Bush nor Cheney ever claimed that America shouldn’t hold itself to a higher standard of conduct than the enemy. If they had, KSM would have gotten a lot worse than waterboarding from the CIA.

2) This is a call for other countries to do more, not an indication of what Obama himself might or can do. What would it mean in concrete terms? That if some rogue actor does something provocative, Obama will run to Russia and China and say, “Now is the time for you to avert regional war by fully engaging in tough diplomacy?” That’s not a policy; that’s a way of giving historically unreliable powers undue influence over your own options.

3) Again, I’ll concede this as a bedrock of The One’s approach, but it’s more a historical default than something that’s distinctive to him. Reagan dealt with the Soviets, Nixon went to China, etc etc. It’d be more accurate to say that he’s repudiating the Bush doctrine than fashioning something new, although of course even Bush pursued six-party talks with North Korea and ultimately allowed the State Department to meet informally with Iran. If there’s anything unique to Obama’s approach, it’s that he’ll meet with literally any sovereign regime, no matter how small or scummy. Except, of course, Hamas.

4) This one confuses me the most as it would conceivably justify any approach. Reaching out to a rogue regime like Sudan or Myanmar could reduce their hostility to human rights by earning some goodwill concessions. But isolating a rogue regime like Iran with sanctions could reduce their hostility to human rights by pressuring them economically until they say uncle. The One himself put it this way yesterday: “There’s no simple formula here. But we must try as best we can to balance isolation and engagement, pressure and incentives, so that human rights and dignity are advanced over time.” Thanks for the tip, Yoda. Again, aside from its contrast with the Bush doctrine of Dubya’s first term, in what way does this give us any real insight into Obama’s approach?

Exit question: Isn’t this the real “Obama doctrine”? Step one: Diplomacy. Step two: International sanctions, or unilateral ones if absolutely necessary. Step three: Repeat as necessary.
 
But, he also set a caveat to that Shag - that they will be taking into account conditions on the ground - If the commanding officers don't feel that we can leave 'responsibly' at that time, we will remain.
Which makes a set date meaningless. :rolleyes:

You really are in love with this double talker, aren't you? You certainly don't recognize when he tries to ski around both sides of the tree at once.

Tell me, why do you think Obama isn't comfortable with using the term "victory?"
 

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