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The son of the U.S. Air Force pilot who dropped the first atomic bomb in the history of warfare says the Obama administration's decision to send a U.S. delegation to a ceremony in Japan to mark the 65th anniversary of the attack on Hiroshima is an "unsaid apology" and appears to be an attempt to "rewrite history."

James Tibbets, son of Brig. Gen. Paul W. Tibbets, Jr., says Friday's visit to Hiroshima by U.S. Ambassador John Roos is an act of contrition that his late father would never have approved.

"It's an unsaid apology," Tibbets, 66, told FoxNews.com from his home in Georgiana, Ala. "Why wouldn't it be? Why would [Roos] go? It doesn't make any sense.

"I know it's the anniversary, but I don't know what the hell they're trying to do. It needs to be left alone. The war is over."

Tibbets, whose father died in 2007 at the age of 92, said he receives dozens of calls from veterans every year around this time thanking him for his father's service.

"'If it wasn't for your dad, I wouldn't be here,'" Tibbets said many veterans tell him. "This has been going on since he dropped that bomb."

Tibbets said he sees Roos' impending visit -- it will be the first time the U.S. has sent a delegation to the anniversary commemoration in Hiroshima -- as an attempt to revise history.

"It's making the Japanese look like they're the poor people, like they didn't do anything," he said. "They hit Pearl Harbor, they struck us. We didn't slaughter the Japanese -- we stopped the war."

Roughly 140,000 people were killed or died within months after an American B-29 -- nicknamed the Enola Gay -- bombed Hiroshima on Aug. 6, 1945. Three days later, roughly 80,000 people died when the U.S. dropped a second bomb on Nagasaki. Japan surrendered nine days later, bringing an end to World War II.

White House officials on Wednesday referred calls to the State Department, which did not respond to several inquiries about how the decision was made or if national veterans organizations were contacted prior to the announcement that a delegation would attend the commemoration.

During Wednesday's daily press briefing, State Department officials defended the visit, saying Roos' attendance at the ceremony "was the right thing to do," spokesman PJ Crowley said.

The ceremony will begin early Friday with the ringing of a bell and the release of doves. Roos visited Hiroshima weeks after he arrived in Tokyo as a U.S. ambassador last year, and the response was generally positive.

Lt. Col. Rob Manning, director of public affairs at the Joint Force Headquarters National Capital Region U.S. Military District of Washington, which oversees ceremonies at Arlington National Cemetery, said Japanese officials are "fairly frequent" visitors to the national site.

"Emperor Hirohito visited the cemetery and placed a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknowns in the early 1970s," Manning wrote in an e-mail. "Most of the more recent prime ministers have also placed wreaths at the Tomb as a part of their official visits to Washington. Service chiefs and ministers of defense also are invited to Washington on official visits and conduct official ceremonies at the Tomb."

In April, Manning said, Prime Minister Naoto Kan, who was Japan's deputy prime minister for finance at the time, placed a wreath at the Tomb and visited sections of Arlington National Cemetery where Iraq and Afghanistan war veterans are buried.

Manning said Gen. Ryoichi Oriki, the Japanese Army's chief of staff, also visited the cemetery and placed a wreath on a grave on June 24.

President Obama is expected to visit Japan in November, and calls have been growing there for him to visit Hiroshima and Nagasaki, since he has spoken of his vision of a nuclear-free world.

Tibbets said he hopes Obama will decide to forgo visiting to the two cities.

"What's his purpose? I don't know what it'd do," Tibbet said. "History is history, the past is the past. You can't change it and I don't know why he'd visit Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

"This all sounds like, 'Oh, we did you wrong.' That's what it sounds like."

Ryan Galucci, a spokesman for AMVETS, an organization representing more than 180,000 veterans, said his organization supports the decision to send Roos, but he said the visit should not be seen as a conciliatory act.

"Considering how our relationship with Japan has evolved into a peaceful partnership over the years, we support the U.S. decision to send an envoy acknowledging the human toll of WWII," Galucci said in a statement to FoxNews.com. "To AMVETS, the U.S. visit is an appropriate act of reciprocation for Japan's solidarity over the years, such as last summer's visit to the Punch Bowl National Cemetery (the National Memorial Cemetery of the Pacific) by Emperor Akihito, where he laid a wreath in honor of America's sacrifices in WWII.

"However, in no way should the United States be expected to apologize for its actions, and we hope that this visit will not be misconstrued as an act of contrition."

Paul Schalow, a professor of Japanese at Rutgers University, told FoxNews.com that Japanese media outlets are linking Roos' visit to Obama's desire to rid the world of nuclear weapons.

"They're linking it to Obama's speech in Prague," he said. "They connect Roos being there as proof of interest by the Obama administration to reduce the number of atomic weapons worldwide."

Schalow said Roos' visit appears to "pave the way" for Obama to visit the two cities that were decimated by atomic bombs 65 years ago.

"I imagine the Japanese would be eager to receive a U.S. president," he said. "The real question is the domestic reaction to it. [White House officials] are probably observing reactions of veterans' groups to this official visit by Roos."

Schalow speculated that Roos' visit could be a step toward positioning the U.S. to condemn any future use of atomic weapons, perhaps by North Korea.

"If we show some regret of our own use of the weapon, if it happens again, we're in a moral position to criticize," he said. "As of now, we're not in a position to denounce it."

Kia Tibbets, James Tibbets' daughter, said her grandfather would be disappointed with Friday's ceremony if he were alive today.

"Embarrassed might be the word, that the government wasn't backing him up anymore," said Tibbets, 35, of Columbus, Ohio. "But then again, that's politics for you."
 
I'm a big WWII buff, and I can tell you that Obowma's actions in this situation are seriously offensive. Apologize? For what? Ending the war?

Japan should be THANKING US. We dropped those bombs rather than INVADE Japan, which would certainly have cost millions of Japanese and US lives. Then, what do we do when the war's over? We build Japan back up and make them one of the most prosperous nations on the planet.

Obama can go straight to hell for all I care.
 
...this is a trial balloon.
and it's sickening.

Nearly 70 years after the fact, and considering out good relationship with the Japanese (and the amount of out debt they hold), it's reasonable to say that we can share unite and recognize that absolute horrors of World War 2. But, last I remember, the Japanese were rewriting the history of WW2 in their schools presenting themselves as the victims of American aggression, conveniently writing out ugly chapters like the Bataan Death March and their brutal expansion through the Pacific and against the Chinese. So we should continue to dismiss all efforts for the Japanese to present themselves as victims.
 
The only attacks using nuclear weapons (so far) represent one of the greatest failures of mankind.

That the mass murders of conventional wars have plummeted as a result is sad testament to the evil side of human nature.

We created the means to destroy whole cities instantly and that is bigger than the specific circumstances of the attacks.

This is something that hangs over all mankind as an inditement and a warning from history.
 
The only attacks using nuclear weapons (so far) represent one of the greatest failures of mankind.

That the mass murders of conventional wars have plummeted as a result is sad testament to the evil side of human nature.

We created the means to destroy whole cities instantly and that is bigger than the specific circumstances of the attacks.

This is something that hangs over all mankind as an inditement and a warning from history.
You should be grateful that the US got there first - the Germans were working on nukes at the same time. Imagine if they had developed the bomb before we won the war.

The mere presence of nukes in our arsenal deterred and eventually bankrupted the biggest threat in the world, the Soviets.

The use and existence of nukes gave the world pause - and probably keeps Israel from being overrun by her enemies to this day.

Failure, my ass.

Your understanding of history is beyond repair.
 
just think if the Germans had the same resources and money that we did. That's how we won the war, the Germans were out pacing us in technology, but we out produced them
 
You should be grateful that the US got there first - the Germans were working on nukes at the same time. Imagine if they had developed the bomb before we won the war.

The mere presence of nukes in our arsenal deterred and eventually bankrupted the biggest threat in the world, the Soviets.

The use and existence of nukes gave the world pause - and probably keeps Israel from being overrun by her enemies to this day.

Failure, my ass.

Your understanding of history is beyond repair.



That's beside my point that we need such a devastating apoclyptic device to behave less savagely with our fellow man.

It was a scientific and military success but really signifies a major failure of the human spirit in getting along that will hang over us like a Sword of Damocles till the end of time.

Eisenhour said the building of every destroyer was a sad failure for humanity and this is just the same sentiment magnified.
 
That's beside my point that we need such a devastating apoclyptic device to behave less savagely with our fellow man.

It was a scientific and military success but really signifies a major failure of the human spirit in getting along that will hang over us like a Sword of Damocles till the end of time.

Eisenhour said the building of every destroyer was a sad failure for humanity and this is just the same sentiment magnified.
You're making a silly generalization.

You have it backwards - the US is always looking and has always looked for ways to behave less savagely. Technology is one of the ways. Smart weapons target military installations instead of population centers. Rules of engagement prevent us from shooting at public mosques in Iraq and Afghanistan.

It's the difference between a civilized culture and a savage culture. Don't you dare lump the USA in with the rest of the evil nations in the world. We are the exception. It's more accurate to say that OUR Sword of Damocles prevents evil from triumphing over peace.

Peace through strength - and don't forget that we weren't the aggressors in WWII. The United States shows more restraint than any other. If you can end a war with minimal casualties, we find a way to do that. Sort of shoots a hole in your theory - even now in Afghanistan our ROE are more dangerous to our own troops than to the enemy.
 
You have it backwards - the US is always looking and has always looked for ways to behave less savagely. Technology is one of the ways. Smart weapons target military installations instead of population centers. Rules of engagement prevent us from shooting at public mosques in Iraq and Afghanistan.

It's the difference between a civilized culture and a savage culture. Don't you dare lump the USA in with the rest of the evil nations in the world. We are the exception.

Peace through strength - and don't forget that we weren't the aggressors in WWII. The United States shows more restraint than any other. If you can end a war with minimal casualties, we find a way to do that. Sort of shoots a hole in your theory - even now in Afghanistan our ROE are more dangerous to our own troops than to the enemy.


This is my opinion and not a theory.
That we as people have to resort to war in the first place is a failure of the human condition but not of America the idea.
Americans are only 4% of the world population.
America is exceptional as a country founded on ideas and principles and that is the only thing that makes american citizens any better as people than the savages or people of lesser countries.
People are generally the same but also products of their countries and cultures.
There is some savagery in the heart of every man waiting to be brought out by the right circumstances.
The Bomb has given the savage in the hearts of men something to want that they can turn on us and we can't put the genie back in the bottle.
Perhaps this is a comment more about mankind in general while you're being parochial about America.
The ending song in Dr Strangelove says "We'll meet again, don't know how, don't know when, but I know that it will be one sunny day"
The morning of 9/11 was a sunny day.
 
That's beside my point that we need such a devastating apoclyptic device to behave less savagely with our fellow man.

It was a scientific and military success but really signifies a major failure of the human spirit in getting along that will hang over us like a Sword of Damocles till the end of time.

Eisenhour said the building of every destroyer was a sad failure for humanity and this is just the same sentiment magnified.

I can appreciate your point.

But "failure" of the human spirit implies you were expecting better. When theories are built on an operational understanding of the human spirit as being generally good, dangerous Utopian ideal theories rise up and those type theories were what got us into the WWII mess in the first place.

WWII and, specifically, the need for (and reaction to) nukes in the aftermath of WWII should serve as a lesson on human nature; something which seems to be implied in what you are saying.
 
I can appreciate your point.

But "failure" of the human spirit implies you were expecting better. When theories are built on an operational understanding of the human spirit as being generally good, dangerous Utopian ideal theories rise up and those type theories were what got us into the WWII mess in the first place.

WWII and, specifically, the need for (and reaction to) nukes in the aftermath of WWII should serve as a lesson on human nature; something which seems to be implied in what you are saying.


The warning from history is how easily we as people under the right circumstances can be seduced by the dark side of the force (to quote from one of my favorite movies) to satisfy ourselves and the horrific consequences.
 
The warning from history is how easily we as people under the right circumstances can be seduced by the dark side of the force (to quote from one of my favorite movies) to satisfy ourselves and the horrific consequences.
And the point of this thread is that Obama is apologizing for something the US did 65 years ago that actually made the world better - and your point is moot because the US is the example of restraint of power. We've had nukes for 65 years, and haven't used them - once - since 1945. That pokes holes in your theory. Stop using "we" and "ourselves." "We" Americans are not like other nations, other savage cultures.

Again, your generalization is silly. This isn't a one world nation - and 'we' stand apart from the rest of the world as civilized and good.
 
And the point of this thread is that Obama is apologizing for something the US did 65 years ago that actually made the world better - and your point is moot because the US is the example of restraint of power. We've had nukes for 65 years, and haven't used them - once - since 1945. That pokes holes in your theory. Stop using "we" and "ourselves." "We" Americans are not like other nations, other savage cultures.

Again, your generalization is silly. This isn't a one world nation - and 'we' stand apart from the rest of the world as civilized and good.


As far as I see there is no official apology but the sentiment seems to be that Obama's presence is tanamount to an inferred apology.
 
Our time right now is to make as much alies we can. Even if it means kissing some @$$. Don't take it personal but he's trying to make friends by. Beaing peacefull rather then threatening. .............and maybe this means we can get ps4 sooner...hehe
 
The warning from history is how easily we as people under the right circumstances can be seduced by the dark side of the force (to quote from one of my favorite movies) to satisfy ourselves and the horrific consequences.

The circumstances simply enable what is already a part of human nature. They may even facilitate bringing it to the forefront. But I don't see the circumstances as causing anything independent of human action already dictated by human nature.
 
The circumstances simply enable what is already a part of human nature. They may even facilitate bringing it to the forefront. But I don't see the circumstances as causing anything independent of human action already dictated by human nature.


It's easy to hate so watch out for circumstances that would enable facilitation of the darker side of human nature.
 
It's easy to hate so watch out for circumstances that would enable facilitation of the darker side of human nature.

...and develop policies that take into account that aspect of human nature.
 

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