Obama approval falls to lowest level

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The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows that 32% of the nation's voters now Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-four percent (34%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -2. That’s the President’s lowest rating to date and the first time the Presidential Approval Index has fallen below zero for Obama (see trends).

Sixty percent (60%) of Democrats Strongly Approve of the President’s performance but only 8% of Republicans share that view. Sixty-one percent (61%) of Republicans Strongly Disapprove.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...a_administration/obama_approval_index_history
 
Zzzzzz...either you're a complete moron or you just post these things to set people off. :rolleyes:


Reagan's approval dropped drastically low during his term. Reagan had his own recession. Yet Reagan is an all American hero, just wait.

Watch, Obama will probably 'Mondale' the opposition in 2012, yet another Reagan-esque feat.
 
Reagan's approval dropped drastically low during his term. Reagan had his own recession.

At what point in his first term did Reagan's approval drop "drastically low" during his first term? You also need to look at the support for Reagan's policies at this time in his first term as compared to Obama's. There is a huge gap in Obama's popularity compared to his policies that is starting to be rectified. That wasn't the case with Reagan and hasn't been with most other Presidents. That rectification is trending against Obama and his policies, not in favor of them.

"Reagan's recession" had been going on long before he took office, and was much further along then this one (stagflation had kicked in, while it hasn't yet in this recession). Also not long after his economic relief legislation was enacted (not until Autumn in his first year, if I remember correct) it showed signs of improvement which Obama's has not done (in fact showing, if anything, a negative effect).
 
I'm sorry, I didn't realize something had to be 100% exact, to be similar.

Jan 1983, Reagan was at 40-41%.

Obama's been in office, what, 5 months? Give the guy some time before you judge his actions of his next four years as definitive. I know you dislike him, but there's no reason to throw objectivity away.

Reagan part deux, he may very well be, only time will tell.
 
Reagan's approval dropped drastically low during his term. Reagan had his own recession. Yet Reagan is an all American hero, just wait.

Watch, Obama will probably 'Mondale' the opposition in 2012, yet another Reagan-esque feat.
Did Reagan's approval drop drastically low within 6 months of taking office?
 
I'm sorry, I didn't realize something had to be 100% exact, to be similar.

Jan 1983, Reagan was at 40-41%.

Obama's been in office, what, 5 months? Give the guy some time before you judge his actions of his next four years as definitive. I know you dislike him, but there's no reason to throw objectivity away.

Reagan part deux, he may very well be, only time will tell.
He's not Reagan, in any way whatsoever. He's the anti-Reagan. He may be popular now, but his policies are designed to destroy the private sector. Reagan never would have done that. We don't dislike him because he's a Democrat, we dislike him because he's a Socialist and a Statist. Try to learn something for a change.
 
He's not Reagan, in any way whatsoever. He's the anti-Reagan. He may be popular now, but his policies are designed to destroy the private sector. Reagan never would have done that.

We don't dislike him because he's a Democrat, we dislike him because he's a Socialist and a Statist. Try to learn something for a change.

Don't you think it may just be a tad too early to make that call, as fact? Any chance here?

When did I say "Democrat" as the reason why 'you people' don't like him? In fact, I just said [to Shag] "I know you don't like him"; by your post, you confirm it. Try not to be a knee-jerker for a change

Of note, you've made it clear in the past that you simply don't like Democrats :)
 
Jan 1983, Reagan was at 40-41%.

Obama's been in office, what, 5 months? Give the guy some time before you judge his actions of his next four years as definitive. I know you dislike him, but there's no reason to throw objectivity away.
Don't you think it may just be a tad to early to make that call, as fact?

So, 5 months into his term is not enough to judge him but it is enough to compare him to Reagan at 2 years into his first term?

I would also like to know where those numbers come from. I want to see the study. Considering that, at that time, liberals had a monopoly on the media and then known tendency of them to distort their polls, I wouldn't trust those polls as being comparable in scientific reliability to Rasmussen or Gallup.
 
At what point in his first term did Reagan's approval drop "drastically low" during his first term?
It started to drop around July 1981:
http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-presapp0605-31.html
It dropped into the high 30's by mid 1983.

You also need to look at the support for Reagan's policies at this time in his first term as compared to Obama's. There is a huge gap in Obama's popularity compared to his policies that is starting to be rectified. That wasn't the case with Reagan and hasn't been with most other Presidents. That rectification is trending against Obama and his policies, not in favor of them.
I'd like to see how this bizarre assertion can be quantified.

However, if you're going to take this tack, there's an alternative explanation that you haven't considered. You assume that everyone who disapproves of Obama disapproves for the same basic reasons. I can tell you that there are plenty of people who voted for him who now are dissatisfied with him because he hasn't kept his campaign promises, not because his policies are "socialist" or some such nonsense. I'm talking about things like promises of more open/transparent government, reforming health care, foreign policy, to name a few. For example, in the case of openness in government, Obama has taken the "Bushian" stand at nearly every turn. The health care "fix" is going to end up watered down to the point of being a slightly adjusted version of the disaster that we already have.

Ironically, it's the openly partisan liberal media that is taking him to task for lacking the courage to follow through. People like Olbermann and Bill Mahar have been quite vocal in criticizing him. I count myself as one of them. I give Obama a 3 out of 10 so far. But that doesn't mean I'm necessarily ready to vote Republican next time around, especially if they put up another candidate like Palin. The Republicans will be making a huge mistake if they interpret poll numbers as vindication of far right-wing populist policies.

"Reagan's recession" had been going on long before he took office, and was much further along then this one (stagflation had kicked in, while it hasn't yet in this recession). Also not long after his economic relief legislation was enacted (not until Autumn in his first year, if I remember correct) it showed signs of improvement which Obama's has not done (in fact showing, if anything, a negative effect).
You've omitted the most important factor at the time: monetary policies. You can give ownership of the 80's recession to Paul Volker, who raised interest rates in order to curb the runaway inflation of the late 70s. Then once inflation was under control, the Fed loosened the money supply, which had a major influence on the recovery. Asserting that the recovery was solely the result of Reagan's tax cuts is simply untrue. While it was undoubtedly a factor, there is no way to measure the extent of it. I would argue that monetary policy was indeed the biggest factor, just as it was the primary factor in the financial and real estate bubbles of the 2000s. The problem today is that the Fed has nowhere to go this time around.
 
You assume that everyone who disapproves of Obama disapproves for the same basic reasons. I can tell you that there are plenty of people who voted for him who now are dissatisfied with him because he hasn't kept his campaign promises, not because his policies are "socialist" or some such nonsense. I'm talking about things like promises of more open/transparent government, reforming health care, foreign policy, to name a few. For example, in the case of openness in government, Obama has taken the "Bushian" stand at nearly every turn. The health care "fix" is going to end up watered down to the point of being a slightly adjusted version of the disaster that we already have.
And I can give you an equal number of anecdotal examples of people who voted for him because of his campaign promises and are now disillusioned and see him for the tax and spend socialist he really is.

So your anecdotal evidence is cancelled out by mine, as is your futile argument.
 
And I can give you an equal number of anecdotal examples of people who voted for him because of his campaign promises and are now disillusioned and see him for the tax and spend socialist he really is.

So your anecdotal evidence is cancelled out by mine, as is your futile argument.
My exact quote was : "You assume that everyone who disapproves of Obama..." It wasn't an either-or argument, and I never claimed it to be.
 
You assume that everyone who disapproves of Obama disapproves for the same basic reasons.

No, I am making no assumptions. I am looking at the numbers and the trends. The breakdown is that the vast majority of Republicans consistently disprove of Obama while the vast majority of Democrats consistently approve of Obama with independents (comparatively) more evenly divided. So, most of the disapproval is coming from one side of the political spectrum. That does say something about the general perspective most of that sentiment is likely based in.

The numbers in support of his policies is very low; almost a photo negative of his approval ratings. Those, like his approval ratings, are trending downwards as well. That gives another indication of where a lot of the growing dissatisfaction may be coming from as well.

You've omitted the most important factor at the time: monetary policies. You can give ownership of the 80's recession to Paul Volker, who raised interest rates in order to curb the runaway inflation of the late 70s. Then once inflation was under control, the Fed loosened the money supply, which had a major influence on the recovery. Asserting that the recovery was solely the result of Reagan's tax cuts is simply untrue. While it was undoubtedly a factor, there is no way to measure the extent of it. I would argue that monetary policy was indeed the biggest factor, just as it was the primary factor in the financial and real estate bubbles of the 2000s. The problem today is that the Fed has nowhere to go this time around.

I didn't say anything about Reagan's tax policies specifically. I would agree that it was a number of factors that contributed to the turn around; monetary policy being a huge one. Then again, all you ultimately have is monetary policy and fiscal policy. Reagan reduced taxes (among other things) on the fiscal end and appointed more "conservative" people (economically speaking, not so much politically) to reduce inflation on the monetary side of things. You cannot overlook the ending of price controls on oil as well.
 
The numbers in support of his policies is very low; almost a photo negative of his approval ratings. Those, like his approval ratings, are trending downwards as well. That gives another indication of where a lot of the growing dissatisfaction may be coming from as well.
Where are you coming up with this assertion? I'm not necessarily denying it, but I want to see the specific policies you refer to because many of them have indeed been the direct opposite of what he promised, which just proves my point.
 
from the WSJ...

Presidential Approval (this is the chart that Marcus refers to)

info-presapp0605-all.gif


It is Gallup - but probably the best they have over that time span - Gallup has a very long historical database to draw from
 
I didn't say anything about Reagan's tax policies specifically. I would agree that it was a number of factors that contributed to the turn around; monetary policy being a huge one. Then again, all you ultimately have is monetary policy and fiscal policy. Reagan reduced taxes (among other things) on the fiscal end and appointed more "conservative" people (economically speaking, not so much politically) to reduce inflation on the monetary side of things. You cannot overlook the ending of price controls on oil as well.

And large military spending... ;)

Don't forget - big taxes - first ever on SS...

And I would have to agree with Marcus - I think there are plenty of people not happy with Obama because he hasn't done things he had promised - especially looking at healthcare and green technology. I hear more about dissatisfaction regarding those things then I do about his policy regarding the auto industry or the banks.

How much left do you read? If you read a lot, you will see there is a lot of unhappiness because he hasn't done enough.
 
Obama started off at a low point in American history with the war in Iraq. A lot of the population would have rather seen anyone than Bush at that point. If you're dropping even farther from a low point.... I dunno, doesn't look to good.
 
So, 5 months into his term is not enough to judge him but it is enough to compare him to Reagan at 2 years into his first term?

I would also like to know where those numbers come from. I want to see the study. Considering that, at that time, liberals had a monopoly on the media and then known tendency of them to distort their polls, I wouldn't trust those polls as being comparable in scientific reliability to Rasmussen or Gallup.

Correct and correct, as I am not saying "he is another Reagan" as fact, just he could potentially be like another Reagan; in the end, only time will tell. It could really go the other way. But he has the rebel Reagan-esque aura about him.

Surely an astute of politics such as yourself knows this? If not, a simple Google search will net you Reagan's pop-numbers, as he's one of the most popular and well-known U.S. presidents, there's a virtual library of info on him online.

Edit: Wiki has a chart and they source Gallup. I was off by one point.

Edit: I see Markus (thanks Markus!) posted a link, didn't recall Reagan ever dropping to the high 30's, wow. Only bodes well for Obama, if Reagan sank that deep, but not is more popular than ever in retrospect of his service, it could again,
 
And large military spending... ;)

Don't forget - big taxes - first ever on SS...
The amount of debt he's incurred already from this fraudulent, useless Porkulus bill is more than Reagan incurred.
And I would have to agree with Marcus - I think there are plenty of people not happy with Obama because he hasn't done things he had promised - especially looking at healthcare and green technology. I hear more about dissatisfaction regarding those things then I do about his policy regarding the auto industry or the banks.
That's because you don't listen to anybody but lefties.
 
Where are you coming up with this assertion? I'm not necessarily denying it, but I want to see the specific policies you refer to because many of them have indeed been the direct opposite of what he promised, which just proves my point.
No, it proves OUR point - that Obama promised a tax cut and didn't deliver, that Obama is taking over the private sector, and that Obama is about to hit us with the largest tax increases ever seen.

Check out MonsterMark's sticky thread for the source of the numbers.
 
My exact quote was : "You assume that everyone who disapproves of Obama..." It wasn't an either-or argument, and I never claimed it to be.
Your straw man assertion was flawed then, because nobody is assuming that.
 
The amount of debt he's incurred already from this fraudulent, useless Porkulus bill is more than Reagan incurred.

Have you adjusted for inflation? As a dollar today is not the same as a dollar circa 1985.
 
Have you adjusted for inflation? As a dollar today is not the same as a dollar circa 1985.
Uh, it's not even close. Military spending? Really? That's fox's straw man phony baloney argument. I'm not continuing to argue it with you. It's crap.
 
Uh, it's not even close. Military spending? Really? That's fox's straw man phony baloney argument. I'm not continuing to argue it with you. It's crap.

So, what are Obama's debt numbers? What were Reagan's over his 8 years...

I like to see the difference Foss...
 

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