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I'm just throwing it out there, but if anyone needs or wants the entire pdf file of the 1018 pages of the obama healthcare plan let me know your e-mail and I'll forward it to you.

Interesting. There are provisions for the government to enter people’s homes for the purpose of ‘assisting’ in child care in the areas of education and more.
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Here is a list of what is supposedly in the bill. It is a "lay-man's interpretation" of key provisions in the bill and with an obvious bias to it (but that does not mean that it is inaccurate). I would recommend getting the .pdf and double checking these claims.
  • Page 16: States that if you have insurance at the time of the bill becoming law and change, you will be required to take a similar plan. If that is not available, you will be required to take the gov option!
  • Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!
  • Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!
  • Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)
  • Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.
  • Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
  • Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.
  • Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
  • Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (example: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
  • Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.
  • Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)
  • Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens
  • Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
  • Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.
  • Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.
  • Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.
  • Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.
  • Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.
  • Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll
  • Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll
  • Page 167: Any individual who doesnt' have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.
  • Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).
  • Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.
  • Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." Yes, it really says that.
  • Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected."
  • Page 241: Doctors: no matter what speciality you have, you'll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)
  • Page 253: Government sets value of doctors' time, their professional judgment, etc.
  • Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.
  • Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.
  • Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!
  • Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.
  • Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.
  • Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies!
  • Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval.
  • Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on "community" input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN.
  • Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing.
  • Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.
  • Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.
  • Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone).
  • Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?
  • Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time.
  • Page 425: Goverment provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.
  • Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends.
  • Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient's health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT.
  • Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life.
  • Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.
  • Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN.
  • Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage.
  • Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services.
 
shag - do you know what end of life means in medical terms? Since you underlined it - and want us to really notice it...
 
shag - do you know what end of life means in medical terms? Since you underlined it - and want us to really notice it...

Go back and re-read my post. It is not a literal cut/paste from the bill, but the interpretation of someone who can supposedly read through the "legalese" in the bill.
 
Go back and re-read my post. It is not a literal cut/paste from the bill, but the interpretation of someone who can supposedly read through the "legalese" in the bill.

But you made page 430 bold, italic and underlined - that isn't in the original post that you linked to - they have others in red type (59, 203, 427, 429) - but not #430...

I was wondering why you did that? If it had something to do with the term 'end of life'?
 
Reading all of that health bill is goingt to take some time, and I WILL read it daily, until I have read all of it.
Right now, a question comes to mind.
Just who wrote this bill?
Was it just those few mentioned at the beginning of the bill?
That being the case, where did they find the time to draw up over a thousand pages?
It is obvious to me that this bill as it is written has been on the "cooker" for some time now.
Health care has been introduced in every administration dating back to Rosevelt.
I wonder if some of the articles in the current bill were a carry over from prevous administrations.
Just from the short amount of reading I have done, it smacks of a communist takeover by the government.
That is downright scarey .
I don't think, in it's current version, this bill has much hope of passing.
As Americans, we have fought against communisim throughout the world, and we will not stand by and watch our elected officials, including the president take away our freedoms of choice when it comes too our healthcare.
We as Americans will not allow the government to tax us unfairly so that illegal immigrants are afforded free healthcare.
We as Americans will not stand for the elderly being used as pawns for the government to do with as it sees fit.
I have seen in other threads that some feel Obama is a communist.
One thing we need to remember is, he didn't write this healthcare bill.
The bill smacks of communisim, and perhaps those that developed it are the real communist here.
Obviously there has been some major infiltration in the congress of the United States, and that is what should be our main concern presently.
Perhaps we need to look more closely at the people we elect to congress.
I would like to take a poll of the forum members, and ask, do you belive this healthcare plan will pass in it's current version? Yes or No.
I say it won't.
Bob.
 
Here is a list of what is supposedly in the bill. It is a "lay-man's interpretation" of key provisions in the bill and with an obvious bias to it (but that does not mean that it is inaccurate). I would recommend getting the .pdf and double checking these claims.
Great idea. How about trying that yourself? I've already checked out about two dozen of the items in this list and have yet to find one that is accurate.

For example, the part about turning over your bank account for fund transfers only applies to health care providers, NOT citizens' bank accounts.

And I already talked about the end-of-life stuff in another thread. There is NOTHING that says the government "dictates how your life ends". That's just ridiculous, and any congress person who voted for such a thing would be hung from the Washington Monument. Come on, THINK about it! Do you really think Democrats would benefit politically by passing the kind of legislation that these scare-mongers are making it out to be?

This kind of "reporting" is so irresponsible and counterproductive. But that seems to be the point.

As I already said, PLEASE check these things out yourselves and quit relying on bloggers and radio hosts for your information. They are making much of it up! This is vitally important. It's perfectly reasonable to object to some of this stuff, but it's not acceptable to raise cain over something that isn't even there.
 
Great idea. How about trying that yourself? I've already checked out about two dozen of the items in this list and have yet to find one that is accurate.

For example, the part about turning over your bank account for fund transfers only applies to health care providers, NOT citizens' bank accounts.

And I already talked about the end-of-life stuff in another thread. There is NOTHING that says the government "dictates how your life ends". That's just ridiculous, and any congress person who voted for such a thing would be hung from the Washington Monument. Come on, THINK about it! Do you really think Democrats would benefit politically by passing the kind of legislation that these scare-mongers are making it out to be?
You're ignoring the fact that YOUR Democrats tried to shove this bill through under figurative cover of darkness.
 
You're ignoring the fact that YOUR Democrats tried to shove this bill through under figurative cover of darkness.

And they failed... and rightfully so. They were caught with their hand in the cookie jar, and more importantly they did not achieve their goal. What's the point?
 
And they failed... and rightfully so. They were caught with their hand in the cookie jar, and more importantly they did not achieve their goal. What's the point?

Why did they fail?
They didnt just fail.. They didn't just have a change of conscience.

So, had it not been for the outrage and opposition that you appear to be dismissing (or at least that's how I just read it) that bill, with all of those things in it, would have passed, without any discussion or review.

They weren't simply caught with their hands in the cookie jar. That's very innocent imagery that simply doesn't apply. Maybe if they were trying to leave early, I'd use that kind of language. Or even when they are trying to buy more luxury jets.... but not when they are trying to slip through radical, enormous, nation changing legislation like this, cap/trade, and that "stimulus"
 
Why did they fail?
They didnt just fail.. They didn't just have a change of conscience.

So, had it not been for the outrage and opposition that you appear to be dismissing (or at least that's how I just read it) that bill, with all of those things in it, would have passed, without any discussion or review.

They weren't simply caught with their hands in the cookie jar. That's very innocent imagery that simply doesn't apply. Maybe if they were trying to leave early, I'd use that kind of language. Or even when they are trying to buy more luxury jets.... but not when they are trying to slip through radical, enormous, nation changing legislation like this, cap/trade, and that "stimulus"

You very nicely point out the gravity of the situation. And yet, there is one thing I still don't understand. They failed to do what they were attempting to do. This is good news for you, at least as I understand it. So why are you complaining?
 
Great idea. How about trying that yourself? I've already checked out about two dozen of the items in this list and have yet to find one that is accurate.

Which ones are "not accurate"?

I have checked a few of them, and while there may be some exaggeration (and too much editorializing), the basic concern from that part of the bill seems to be legitimate. The first one about private insurance being a great example.

If you will look at what I premised the list with, I did approach it somewhat skeptically and said you should double check the claims against the actual bill.

If you hope to have a civil discussion, don't come in here and start looking to smear. That is precisely what you are doing in this quote and you know it.

For example, the part about turning over your bank account for fund transfers only applies to health care providers, NOT citizens' bank accounts.

Here is what the relevant part says on lines 21-24 of page 59:
(C) enable electronic funds transfers, in
order to allow automated reconciliation with the
related health care payment and remittance ad-
vice​
Where do you get any indication that this section only applies to health care providers?

Here is what the list says:
The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer​
Now, while it may not exactly be "direct, real-time access", there will be access to bank accounts for "electronic funds transfer" ala paying bills, etc. There has been some representative (I cannot remember who, maybe even Obama) that pointed out that the government would subsidize people under a certain income to be able to meet the mandatory insurance requirement. Being able to credit/debit accounts in this fashion would be the most reasonable means to do that and to take payment by those who can afford the public insurance option.

And I already talked about the end-of-life stuff in another thread. There is NOTHING that says the government "dictates how your life ends".

They are already laying the groundwork for rationing health care, which does specifically and disproportionately affect the elderly. Healthcare rationing is the history of socialized medicine.While the government won't be directly dictating the end of life, they will limit care for the elderly after a point in order to save money. They are already putting the mechanisms for it in place.

That's just ridiculous, and any congress person who voted for such a thing would be hung from the Washington Monument.

Has that happened in Canada? In Britain? Both of those countries do have government rationing.

Come on, THINK about it! Do you really think Democrats would benefit politically by passing the kind of legislation that these scare-mongers are making it out to be?

"scare mongers"? How about attempting to have a civil discussion instead of smearing and dismissing out of hand?

As to weather Democrats would "benefit", it would further their ideology and allow them more control over individuals. While their might be an initial backlash to the bill, it enshrines it into law and makes society dependent on it, thus making it very hard (if not impossible to undo). In the long run, they would benefit greatly from it. And it is abundantly clear that they severely underestimated the opposition to it. They thought it would, in some form benefit from it.

Also, to look into their potential political benefiting from it or not is ultimately a red herring to this debate as it doesn't in any way prove or disprove the legitimacy of the concerns about the bill.

As I already said, PLEASE check these things out yourselves and quit relying on bloggers and radio hosts for your information. They are making much of it up! This is vitally important. It's perfectly reasonable to object to some of this stuff, but it's not acceptable to raise cain over something that isn't even there.

How about looking at the history of these type programs in other countries and states and looking for red flags in this bill that jive with the negative aspects of that history? Is that reasonable? Is it reasonable to be skeptical of the bill and raise the alarm on any of these red flags?

It should be pointed out that, a lot of these areas in the bill are kept vague so that they can basically insert whatever they feel they need to later on. That is how the game is played in Washington.

It is foolish to simply "assume the best" about these programs and give them any and all benefit of the doubt unless and until things go wrong. At the point they go wrong, it is too late to do anything without avoiding lots of harm and suffering in the economy and across society. The precautionary principle prevents that.

In fact, I remember you being that cautious and skeptical (if not downright hostile) concerning the Patriot Act. Why the different standard now? Why are you more credulous concerning this bill?

This bill should be approached with a healthy skepticism. Not credulousness.

And no, a lot of this by the people you cite is not simply "made up". They are legitimate concerns and you are dismissing them out of hand. There is no chance for a civil discussion when you dismiss legitimate concerns like that.
 
You very nicely point out the gravity of the situation. And yet, there is one thing I still don't understand. They failed to do what they were attempting to do. This is good news for you, at least as I understand it. So why are you complaining?

It has to do with the fact that they would try and deceive the American people and force their agenda on those people without them knowing. This is a habitual pattern from the beltway elitists/politicians.

The fact that they actually got away with this to such a large degree already is cause for concern and a call to better vigilance on the part of the voters. Washington clearly cannot be trusted and will do whatever they can to expand their power and enact their soft tyranny type agenda.

They tried for universal healthcare before and will try again. These type of power grabs will not stop and the only check on that power is the voters. The fact that they moved the ball this far is exceedingly alarming. I only hope we can move it back from these self-important, tyrants. The more of these people you have in power (and the more extreme they are) is cause for alarm. These people need to be removed from the reins of power (legally of course). Until they are, it is hard to rest easy.

Also, this bill is not defeated yet.
 
This is a fairly time consuming process, but I read through part of that list and part of the Bill to determine what is accurate and what is not. The short version is that there is a lot of misunderstanding from both sides, and while the bill is not as bad as it is being made out to be, it could certainly be very much better.

The good news is that the voters have forced the issue into light and defeated the attempt to get it shoved through behind closed doors. This means that the voters can make our voices heard (and are doing so) and hopefully get some of the kinks worked out of the bill.

Ultimately, I can make three statements with absolute certainty. The Left is grossly misrepresenting what this bill contains. The Right is grossly misinterpreting what this bill contains. And the citizens, at this point, have absolutely no freaking clue what is going on.

•Page 16: States that if you have insurance at the time of the bill becoming law and change, you will be required to take a similar plan. If that is not available, you will be required to take the gov option!
Yes, they are mandating that everyone purchase health insurance. Most states mandate that you purchase car insurance too.
•Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!
They are auditing self-insured groups to ensure that such groups have the resources to be self insured. Would be pretty bad if a self-insured company could not fill a claim, wouldn't it? Happens all the time. With proper auditing, this can be reduced - although I think 'proper' auditing is the key term there. The danger lies in the fact that the auditing process will likely be grossly inefficient and corrupt.
•Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!
Page 27 specifically states that coverage "does not impose any annual or lifetime limit on the coverage of covered health care items and services" pertaining to a certain subset of services. The other services have a cost-sharing program and page 29 limits the insurers' coverage on those particular cost-sharing items (meaning the rest is paid out of pocket).
•Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)
This committee will decide what coverage will be required - this is akin to the States setting minimum coverage for car insurance.
•Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.
Again, he is deciding what coverage will be required (and what will be provided to those on the Public Option). The public has a choice in what health benefits they want, all they have to do is purchase private insurance instead of using the public option.
•Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
They have stated the exchange and the public option will be available to anybody. I sure don't like having tax dollars paying for non-citizens to use the public option, but take no issue if they choose to purchase from the exchange.
•Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.
"which may include utilization of a machine-readable health plan beneficiary identification card" to determine the individual's financial responsibility at the point of service. I happen to carry a health insurance card that I present at the hospital when I need service.... that is exactly as the new bill describes it! Why do I care if I am carrying a Federal ID card instead of my private card?
•Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
They are "enable"ing electronic fund transfers. Basically, allowing people to pay health care payments online. I pay my cell phone online, but my cell phone provider does not have "direct, real-time access" to my bank account
•Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (example: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
This is pretty much as described in the bill. Really hope this gets show down, but I have a feeling there's too many special interests at stake.
•Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.
Yes.
•Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)
Not quite. All insurers must offer a plan in compliance with the healthcare exchange, and are free to offer optional premium plans.
•Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens
Yes. Of course, this could also be the result of the growing *legal* population of spanish-speaking individuals here in America.
•Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
This is accurate. And I hate it.
•Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.
This only applies to individuals who have "not elected to enroll in an Exchange-participating health benefits plan" and that they will only then be "automatically enrolled under Medicaid."
•Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.
Correct, there is no judicial review or administrative review. That is frightening, but I also think the author of this list is jumping to conclusions.
•Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.
The government will set the compensation of preferred physicians (those administering the Public Option plan) should they *decide* to accept the payment rate that is set. Physicians are also free to work privately and set their own rates, but if they stray outside the limits set on the government rate plan then they forfit cost sharing reimbursement. This is a confusing section, but fundamentally physicians will be able to choose whether or not to work at the government rate.
•Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.
Actually, it says that employers must auto-enroll employees into employer sponsored health benefit programs. This is on page 147 under the section C to which the line on page 145 referred.
•Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.
Again, misunderstanding. Employers must pay benefits of a proportion to the full time benefits in according to how many hours the part timer works. A 20 hour PTer would get 50% of the benefits of a full timer; 10 hour PTer getting 25%.
 
It has to do with the fact that they would try and deceive the American people and force their agenda on those people without them knowing. This is a habitual pattern from the beltway elitists/politicians.

The fact that they actually got away with this to such a large degree already is cause for concern and a call to better vigilance on the part of the voters. Washington clearly cannot be trusted and will do whatever they can to expand their power and enact their soft tyranny type agenda.

They tried for universal healthcare before and will try again. These type of power grabs will not stop and the only check on that power is the voters. The fact that they moved the ball this far is exceedingly alarming. I only hope we can move it back from these self-important, tyrants. The more of these people you have in power (and the more extreme they are) is cause for alarm. These people need to be removed from the reins of power (legally of course). Until they are, it is hard to rest easy.

Also, this bill is not defeated yet.

Exactly as you say, it's business as usual mate. Only this time, it didn't work, and the voters are forcing the folks inside the beltway to play by the rules. That's good news, last I checked :) Smile and be happy.
 
Exactly as you say, it's business as usual mate. Only this time, it didn't work, and the voters are forcing the folks inside the beltway to play by the rules. That's good news, last I checked :) Smile and be happy.

This time it didn't work, and it may end up putting the breaks on that kind of action (a least for a little while). I think this has killed Obama and the Dem's momentum on these things. They simply reached too far...
 
This is a fairly time consuming process, but I read through part of that list and part of the Bill to determine what is accurate and what is not. The short version is that there is a lot of misunderstanding from both sides, and while the bill is not as bad as it is being made out to be, it could certainly be very much better.

The good news is that the voters have forced the issue into light and defeated the attempt to get it shoved through behind closed doors. This means that the voters can make our voices heard (and are doing so) and hopefully get some of the kinks worked out of the bill.

Ultimately, I can make three statements with absolute certainty. The Left is grossly misrepresenting what this bill contains. The Right is grossly misinterpreting what this bill contains. And the citizens, at this point, have absolutely no freaking clue what is going on.
And Obama is representing a bill that doesn't exist. The only bill that exists is the House bill. Obama actually has no plan.

•Page 16: States that if you have insurance at the time of the bill becoming law and change, you will be required to take a similar plan. If that is not available, you will be required to take the gov option!
Yes, they are mandating that everyone purchase health insurance. Most states mandate that you purchase car insurance too.

You're equating car insurance with health insurance? That's a bogus argument. Auto liability insurance is so you don't smash somebody's Caddy and then say tough luck I'm broke. Health insurance is a very personal thing. Furthermore, the government ITSELF doesn't issue car insurance. Yet.

•Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!
Page 27 specifically states that coverage "does not impose any annual or lifetime limit on the coverage of covered health care items and services" pertaining to a certain subset of services. The other services have a cost-sharing program and page 29 limits the insurers' coverage on those particular cost-sharing items (meaning the rest is paid out of pocket).
Where do you interpret that meaning? It can also be interpreted to say that you cannot get treatment, especially when all the country's doctors are required to see patients based on a waiting list determined by the government.

•Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)
This committee will decide what coverage will be required - this is akin to the States setting minimum coverage for car insurance.
Yeah, and some people don't want coverage and some people like what they already have. You're ignoring the fact that a non-medical government bureaucrat will be deciding what coverage you have to take.

•Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.
Again, he is deciding what coverage will be required (and what will be provided to those on the Public Option). The public has a choice in what health benefits they want, all they have to do is purchase private insurance instead of using the public option.
That may be true, but as employers offload their more costly coverage for the cheaper 'public option,' employees will have NO CHOICE. Obama predicted this.
•Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
They have stated the exchange and the public option will be available to anybody. I sure don't like having tax dollars paying for non-citizens to use the public option, but take no issue if they choose to purchase from the exchange.
There is NO BILL THAT STATES ANYTHING ABOUT AN EXCHANGE. This is a FICTION.

•Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.
"which may include utilization of a machine-readable health plan beneficiary identification card" to determine the individual's financial responsibility at the point of service. I happen to carry a health insurance card that I present at the hospital when I need service.... that is exactly as the new bill describes it! Why do I care if I am carrying a Federal ID card instead of my private card?
Because the Federal government can refuse healthcare to you and you will have nowhere to go once the Fed has the only coverage available. Furthermore, you won't be able to pay out of pocket.

•Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
They are "enable"ing electronic fund transfers. Basically, allowing people to pay health care payments online. I pay my cell phone online, but my cell phone provider does not have "direct, real-time access" to my bank account
Oh, well, why didn't you say so? After all, the government NEVER does anything it's not supposed to do just because it's 'enabled,' right? :rolleyes: What if somebody hacks the system?



Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)
Not quite. All insurers must offer a plan in compliance with the healthcare exchange, and are free to offer optional premium plans.
And when they see that the Fed plan is cheaper, they'll seek to offload their private coverage, leaving people with no choices.
•Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens
Yes. Of course, this could also be the result of the growing *legal* population of spanish-speaking individuals here in America.
Yeah, that's great. More amnesty for illegals. :rolleyes:

•Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
This is accurate. And I hate it.
So you have union thugs pressuring - errrrrr - intimidating people to sign up on the Gov plan or else. Yeah, good idea.
•Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.
This only applies to individuals who have "not elected to enroll in an Exchange-participating health benefits plan" and that they will only then be "automatically enrolled under Medicaid."
Already dealt with this issue. Once all private insurers are put out of business...
•Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.
Correct, there is no judicial review or administrative review. That is frightening, but I also think the author of this list is jumping to conclusions.
Yeah, governments have ALWAYS been TOTALLY benevolent in the past. There IS NO SUCH THING as a slippery slope. :rolleyes: The government is here to help.
•Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.
The government will set the compensation of preferred physicians (those administering the Public Option plan) should they *decide* to accept the payment rate that is set. Physicians are also free to work privately and set their own rates, but if they stray outside the limits set on the government rate plan then they forfit cost sharing reimbursement. This is a confusing section, but fundamentally physicians will be able to choose whether or not to work at the government rate.
No, they'll just leave the United States when everybody in the US is enrolled in the government plan. Are you seriously this dense?
•Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.
Actually, it says that employers must auto-enroll employees into employer sponsored health benefit programs. This is on page 147 under the section C to which the line on page 145 referred.
Already dealt with this issue.
•Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.
Again, misunderstanding. Employers must pay benefits of a proportion to the full time benefits in according to how many hours the part timer works. A 20 hour PTer would get 50% of the benefits of a full timer; 10 hour PTer getting 25%.
So what? You're quibbling over small stuff here.
 
Foss, have you ever been to law school? Can you read the bill and interpret the legalese?

What you are doing is reading what I wrote and nitpicking with the way I am presenting the ideas (in plain english). Put simply, you are looking for the Bad because the Bad is what you want to see. I can look for the Bad in my church and I guarantee I will find it, but that doesn't change the fact that my church also does a heck of a lot of good for the community.

I don't support this bill, nor am I attempting to defend it. The reason I posted those comments is simply because NOBODY has actually read or understood the bill. Everybody from both sides is relying on a bunch of propeganda that twists and misinterprets the bill (either intentionally or not, as it is VERY confusing) and it really is necessary to have somebody spell it out in plain english who does not have an agenda. Despite what you may think, I do not have an agenda here (as a matter of fact, I'd rather not see it go through, for reasons of my own), but I DO want to see the truth and greater understanding for the purposes of debate.
 
Foss, have you ever been to law school? Can you read the bill and interpret the legalese?

I attended law school long enough to know how to read cases.

What you are doing is reading what I wrote and nitpicking with the way I am presenting the ideas (in plain english). Put simply, you are looking for the Bad because the Bad is what you want to see. I can look for the Bad in my church and I guarantee I will find it, but that doesn't change the fact that my church also does a heck of a lot of good for the community.
This argument is not persuasive. Your analogy is noted, but it doesn't prove your case. You stated your opinion and I picked apart your opinion. You complaining about it and using analogies doesn't suddenly make my post less valid.

I don't support this bill, nor am I attempting to defend it. The reason I posted those comments is simply because NOBODY has actually read or understood the bill. Everybody from both sides is relying on a bunch of propeganda that twists and misinterprets the bill (either intentionally or not, as it is VERY confusing) and it really is necessary to have somebody spell it out in plain english who does not have an agenda. Despite what you may think, I do not have an agenda here (as a matter of fact, I'd rather not see it go through, for reasons of my own), but I DO want to see the truth and greater understanding for the purposes of debate.
On the contrary, John David Lewis, a professor at Duke University, has read the entire bill and has analyzed it. You can read his findings here. I'll post it in a new thread and maybe they'll make it a sticky.
 
Which ones are "not accurate"?

All but 4:


Twenty-six Lies About H.R. 3200
A notorious analysis of the House health care bill contains 48 claims. Twenty-six of them are false and the rest mostly misleading. Only four are true.
August 28, 2009

Summary
Our inbox has been overrun with messages asking us to weigh in on a mammoth list of claims about the House health care bill. The chain e-mail purports to give "a few highlights" from the first half of the bill, but the list of 48 assertions is filled with falsehoods, exaggerations and misinterpretations. We examined each of the e-mail’s claims, finding 26 of them to be false and 18 to be misleading, only partly true or half true. Only four are accurate. A few of our "highlights":

The e-mail claims that page 30 of the bill says that "a government committee will decide what treatments … you get," but that page refers to a "private-public advisory committee" that would "recommend" what minimum benefits would be included in basic, enhanced and premium insurance plans.
The e-mail says that "non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services" but points to a provision that prohibits discrimination in health care based on "personal characteristics." Another provision explicity forbids "federal payment for undocumented aliens."
It says "[g]overnment will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals." This provision isn’t about children with learning disabilities; instead, it pertains to restricted enrollment in "special needs" plans, a category of Medicare Advantage plans. Enrollment is already restricted. The bill extends the ability to do that.
It claims that a section about "Community-based Home Medical Services" means "more payoffs for ACORN." ACORN does not provide medical home services. The e-mail interprets any reference to the word "community" to be some kind of payoff for ACORN. That’s nonsense.
Analysis
This chain e-mail claims to give a run-down of what’s in the House health care bill, H.R. 3200. Instead, it shows evidence of a reading comprehension problem on the part of the author. Some of our more enterprising readers have even taken it upon themselves to debunk a few of the assertions, sending us their notes and encouraging us to write about it. We applaud your fact-checking skills and your skepticism. And skepticism is warranted.

Chain e-mail: Subject: A few highlights from the first 500 pages of the Healthcare bill in congress Contact your Representatives and let them know how you feel about this. We, as a country, cannot afford another 1000 page bill to go through congress without being read. Another 500 pages to go. I have highlighted a few of the items that are down right unconstitutional. ⬐ Click to expand/collapse the full text ⬏

• Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure! • Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed! • Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)• Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.• Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.• Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard. • Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer. • Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (read: SEIU, UAW and ACORN) • Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange. • Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Health care Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans) • Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens • Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan. • Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter. • Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed. • Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages. • Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives. • Page 146: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families. • Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll • Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll • Page 167: Any individual who doesn’t’ have acceptable health care (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income. • Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them). • Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Health care Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records. • Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." Yes, it really says that. • Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected." • Page 241: Doctors: no matter what specialty you have, you’ll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!) • Page 253: Government sets value of doctors’ time, their professional judgment, etc. • Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries. • Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs. • Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing! • Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions. • Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government. • Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies! • Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval. • Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on "community" input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN. • Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing. • Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc. • Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals. • Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone). • Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia? • Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time. • Page 425: Government provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death. • Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends. • Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient’s health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT. • Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life. • Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN. • Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN. • Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage. • Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services.

A few readers alerted us to the fact that a state representative in North Carolina, Rep. Curtis Blackwood, published a version of the e-mail in a newsletter to constituents, telling them that while going through e-mail, he came across "some interesting information on the Democrats’ big health care bill, H.R. 3200. … While this is federal legislation and not state, the topic is of enough significance that I thought many of you would be interested in reading it." We’d refer Rep. Blackwood to our special report on viral messages titled, "That Chain E-mail Your Friend Sent to You Is (Likely) Bogus. Seriously."

We can trace the origins of this collection of claims to a conservative blogger who issued his instant and mostly mistaken analyses as brief "tweets" sent via Twitter as he was paging through the 1,017-page bill. The claims have been embraced as true and posted on hundreds of Web sites, and forwarded in the form of chain e-mails countless times. But there’s hardly any truth in them. We’ll go through each of the claims in this message:

Claim: Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!

False: This section merely requires a study of “the large group insured and self-insured employer health care markets.” There’s no mention of auditing employers, only of studying “markets.” The purpose of the study is to produce “recommendations” to make sure the new law “does not provide incentives for small and mid-size employers to self-insure.”

Claim: Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!

False: This section says nothing whatsoever about “rationing” or anything of the sort. Actually, it’s favorable to families and individuals, placing an annual cap on what they could pay out of pocket if covered by a basic, “essential benefits package.” The limits would be $5,000 for an individual, $10,000 for a family.

Claim: Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)

False: Actually, the section starting on page 30 sets up a “private-public advisory committee” headed by the U.S. surgeon general and made up of mostly private sector “medical and other experts” selected by the president and the comptroller general. The advisory committee would have only the power “to recommend” what benefits are included in basic, enhanced and premium insurance plans. It would have no power to decide what treatments anybody will get. Its recommendations on benefits might or might not be adopted.

Claim: Page 42: The “Health Choices Commissioner” will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.

False: The new Health Choices Commissioner will oversee a variety of choices to be offered through new insurance exchanges. The bill itself specifies the “minimum services to be covered” in a basic plan, including prescription drugs, mental health services, maternity and well-baby care and certain vaccines and preventive services (pages 27-28). We find nothing in the bill that prevents insurance companies from offering benefits that exceed the minimums. In fact, the legislation allows (page 84) any company that offers an approved basic plan to offer also an “enhanced” plan, a “premium” plan and even a “premium plus” plan that could include vision and dental benefits.

Claim: Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.

False. That’s simply not what the bill says at all. This page includes "SEC. 152. PROHIBITING DISCRIMINATION IN HEALTH CARE," which says that "[e]xcept as otherwise explicitly permitted by this Act and by subsequent regulations consistent with this Act, all health care and related services (including insurance coverage and public health activities) covered by this Act shall be provided without regard to personal characteristics extraneous to the provision of high quality health care or related services." However, the bill does explicitly say that illegal immigrants can’t get any government money to pay for health care. Page 143 states: "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States." And as we’ve said before, current law prohibits illegal immigrants from participating in government health care programs.

Claim: Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.

False. There is no mention of any “National ID Healthcard” anywhere in the bill. Page 58 says that government standards for electronic medical transactions "may include utilization of a machine-readable health plan beneficiary identification card,” to show eligibility for services. Insurance companies typically issue such cards already, but if such a standard were issued the cards would need to be in a standard form readable by computers. The word “may” is used to permit such a standard, but it does not require one.

Claim: Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.

False. This section aims to simplify electronic payments for health services, the same sort of electronic payments that already are common for such things as utility bills or mortgage payments. The bill calls for the secretary of Health and Human Services to set standards for electronic administrative transactions that would "enable electronic funds transfers, in order to allow automated reconciliation with the related health care payment and remittance advice." There is no mention of "individual bank accounts" nor of any new government authority over them. Also, the section does not say that electronic payments from consumers is required.

Claim: Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (read: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)

Misleading. Page 65 is the start of a section (SEC. 164. REINSURANCE PROGRAM FOR RETIREES) that would set up a new federal reinsurance plan to benefit retirees and spouses covered by any employer plan, not just those run by labor unions or nonprofit groups. Specifically, it covers “retirees and . . . spouses, surviving spouses and dependents of such retirees” who are covered by “employment-based plans” that provide health benefits. It’s open to any “group health benefits plan that . . . is maintained by one or more employers, former employers or employee associations,” as well as voluntary employees’ beneficiary associations (page 66). Furthermore, the aim of the fund is to cut premiums, copays and deductibles for the retirees. Payment “shall not be used to reduce the costs of an employer.”

Claim: Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.

True. This page begins a section setting up a new, national Health Insurance Exchange through which individuals and employers may choose from a variety of private insurance plans, much like the system that now covers millions of federal workers. Any private insurance plans offered through this exchange must meet new federal standards. For example, such plans can’t deny coverage for preexisting medical conditions (page 19).

Claim: Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Health care Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)

Partly true. Nothing like this appears on page 84. No insurance company is required to sell plans through the exchange if it doesn’t want to. Any employer may choose to buy coverage elsewhere. In fact, the vast majority of employers will still be buying private plans through the normal marketplace, because only employers with 10 or fewer employees are even allowed to buy through the exchange in the first year. The limit rises to 20 employees in the second year. However, new plans sold directly to individuals will only be sold through the exchange. Individuals who currently buy their own coverage can keep those plans if they wish, and if the insurance company continues to offer them.

Claim: Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens

Misleading. It’s true that page 91 says that insurance companies selling plans through the new exchange “shall provide for culturally and linguistically appropriate communication and health services.” The author’s “translation,” however, assumes that anyone speaking a foreign language or from another culture is an illegal immigrant, which is false.

Claim: Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.

False: This page is the start of “SEC. 205. OUTREACH AND ENROLLMENT OF EXCHANGE-ELIGIBLE INDIVIDUALS AND EMPLOYERS IN EXCHANGE-PARTICIPATING HEALTH BENEFITS PLAN.” It says a newly established Health Choices Commissioner “shall conduct outreach activities” to get people covered by private or government health insurance plans. The section says on page 97 that the Commissioner “may work with other appropriate entities to facilitate … provision of information.” But there is no authorization anywhere in the entire section for the Commissioner to pay money to any group to engage in outreach.

Claim: Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.

Partly true. Page 102 says certain Medicaid-eligible persons will be “automatically enrolled” in Medicaid (which is the state-federal program to provide insurance to low-income workers and families) IF they are not already covered by private insurance. That would happen only if they had “not elected to enroll” in one of the private plans offered through the new insurance exchanges, however. So on paper at least, they would have a choice. Also, it’s estimated that one in four persons who lacks health insurance is already eligible for Medicaid or its offshoot, the state Children’s Health Insurance Program, but simply haven’t signed up or been enrolled by their parents.

Claim: Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No “judicial review” is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.

Half true. It’s true that page 124 forbids any review by the courts of rates the government would pay to doctors and hospitals under the new “public option” insurance plan. But there’s no mention of “price fixing” in the bill; that’s the e-mail author’s phrase. It also remains to be seen if the “public option” plan would grow to become a “government monopoly,” as the author predicts.

Claim: Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.

Misleading. Nothing in the bill would “set wages” for doctors in general. Page 127 says the government would ask doctors to accept below-market rates set by the government for their patients who are covered by a new “public health insurance option,” just as they now are asked to do so for patients covered by Medicare. Physicians would still be free to charge what they wish for other patients, and free not to accept patients covered by the new program just as they are now free to refuse Medicare patients. That’s not a choice many doctors make, however, so as a practical matter the government would be setting rates (not “wages”) for many patients. On the other hand, the new “public” plan is aimed mainly at covering people who have no insurance now and can afford to pay doctors little if anything.

Claim: Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.

False. It’s true that employers would be required to sign up their workers for coverage automatically, but it doesn’t have to be the “public plan.” It would be the employer-offered plan “with the lowest applicable employee premium” (pages 147- 148). This would only be the "public option" if the employer was eligible to buy coverage through the Health Insurance Exchange (not likely, at least during the first two years when only small businesses would have access), and the "public option" was the cheapest plan (which would be likely). Furthermore, while the employer isn’t given an alternative, the workers are. They may reject auto-enrollment under an opt-out provision (page 148).

Claim: Page 146: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.

Half true. There’s nothing in this section about part-time employees’ families, but this provision does call for employers to contribute toward part-time employees’ health insurance. The bill says that “for an employee who is not a full-time employee … the amount of the minimum employer contribution” will be a proportion of the minimum contribution for full-time employees. This proportion will depend on the average weekly hours of part-time employees compared with the minimum weekly hours required to be a full-time employee, as specified by the Health Choices Commissioner. (For a point of reference: The minimum contribution for individual plans of full-time employees is not less than 72.5 percent of the premium of the cheapest plan the employer offers.)

Claim: Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll Claim: Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll.

Both Partly True. The bill requires employers either to offer private health insurance coverage or pay a percentage of their payroll expenses to help finance a public plan. The 8 percent payment would indeed apply to employers with payrolls over $400,000 in the previous year, and lesser amounts would apply to smaller firms. Those with payrolls of $250,000 or less would pay nothing. But the penalty isn’t incurred if an employer "does not offer the public option," as the e-mail claims. Rather, it’s a penalty for not offering health insurance to employees.

Claim: Page 167: Any individual who doesn’t have acceptable health care (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.

True. This is the mechanism in the bill to enforce the individual mandate requiring everyone to have insurance. A person who doesn’t have insurance that meets minimum benefit standards (or other acceptable coverage, such as a plan that was grandfathered in) would pay a penalty of 2.5 percent of modified adjusted gross income for the year. The total penalty can’t exceed a national average premium for individual coverage, or family coverage if applicable.

Claim: Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).

False. “Non-resident aliens” are generally those who have spent less than 31 days in the U.S. during the year. The claim that “Americans will pay for them” assumes that such visitors would somehow be getting federal benefits that would cost taxpayers money. In any case, they are not “exempt from individual taxes” at all. Under current law, the Internal Revenue Service says: “If you are a nonresident alien, you must file Form 1040NR (PDF) or Form 1040NR-EZ (PDF) if you are engaged in a trade or business in the United States, or have any other U.S. source income on which the tax was not fully paid by the amount withheld.” All that page 170 says is that non-resident aliens who don’t obtain health coverage don’t have to pay an additional 2.5 percent federal tax that would apply to U.S. workers who fail to get coverage, or to immigrants who are working here legally under green cards and who fail to obtain coverage. The tax is spelled out in subsection (a) starting on page 167.

Claim: Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Health care Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.

False. This section of the bill discusses “Disclosures To Carry Out Health Insurance Exchange Subsidies.” It says that government employees of the health insurance exchange will have access to federal tax information for purposes of determining eligibility for affordability credits available for low- and moderate-income Americans. In other words, in order to qualify for a government subsidy to purchase health insurance, the government needs to confirm your income. And, no surprise, the government already has access to your federal tax information. The bill also says nothing about “ALL … financial and personal records.” Instead it says “Such return information shall be limited to—(i) taxpayer identity information with respect to such taxpayer, (ii) the filing status of such taxpayer, (iii) the modified adjusted gross income of such taxpayer (as defined in section 59B(e)(5)), (iv) the number of dependents of the taxpayer, (v) such other information as is prescribed by the Secretary by regulation as might indicate whether the taxpayer is eligible for such affordability credits (and the amount thereof).” The bill goes on to limit use of this information “only for the purposes of, and to the extent necessary in, establishing and verifying the appropriate amount of any affordability credit … and providing for the repayment of any such credit which was in excess of such appropriate amount.”

Claim: Page 203: “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax.” Yes, it really says that.

Misleading. What this actually says is: “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax imposed by this chapter for purposes of determining the amount of any credit under this chapter or for purposes of section 55,” which deals with the Alternative Minimum Tax. It would limit the ripple effects of the new taxes the bill would impose on individuals making over $350,000 a year.

Claim: Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected. Claim: Page 241: Doctors: no matter what specialty you have, you’ll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)

Both False. Both of these claims pertain to Section 1121, which updates the physician fee schedule for 2010 for Medicare. It doesn’t "reduce physician services for Medicaid" (which wouldn’t pertain to seniors anyway); instead it modifies a section of the Social Security Act that defines physicians’ services. The section also doesn’t say that doctors will be paid the same “no matter what specialty you have.” Instead it sets up two categories of physician services with different growth rates for fees under those categories. As the Kaiser Family Foundation says of this section of the bill: "Allows the revised formula to be updated by the gross domestic product (GDP) plus 2% for evaluation and management services and GDP plus 1% for all other services." The measure will cost $228.5 billion over 10 years, according to the Congressional Budget Office and Joint Committee on Taxation.

Claim: Page 253: Government sets value of doctors’ time, their professional judgment, etc.

Misleading. It’s true that page 253 refers to “relative value units” to be used when determining payment rates for doctor’s services, and that such RVUs would weigh factors “such as time, mental effort and professional judgment, technical skill and physical effort, and stress due to risk.” But this is nothing new; the government already uses RVUs when setting rates it will pay under Medicare. For example, the RVUs assigned to a colonoscopy are currently double the RVUs assigned to an intermediate office visit. In fact, page 253 is part of a section (Sec. 1122) that sets up a process for correcting existing but “potentially misvalued” rates.

Claim: Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.

Misleading. This claim doesn’t even make sense. How can anyone "mandate” that somebody else be productive, or “control” how productive they are? The author has simply misunderstood what this controversial item would do. In fact, page 265 is the start of a section (Sec. 1131) that is among several designed to slow future growth of Medicare payments to help offset the cost of the bill. It would require that “productivity improvements” be taken into account when setting annual “market basket” updates to Medicare rates for hospital-based services. The hospital industry has estimated this would translate into a 1.3 percent cut next year and a total of $150 billion in reduced payments over 10 years, and is opposed to it.

Claim: Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.

Misleading. What page 268 does is to stop Medicare for paying for “mobility scooters,” which have been widely marketed as a Medicare-financed benefit, leading to ballooning costs to the program. They would no longer qualify as a “power-driven wheelchair.” Only a "complex rehabilitative power-driven wheel chair recognized by the Secretary” would be covered. The Congressional Budget Office estimates this will save the government $800 million over 10 years (see page 2).

Claim: Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!

False. This page merely calls for a study of whether a certain class of hospitals incur higher costs than some others for the cancer care they deliver. It also says the secretary of HHS “shall provide for an appropriate adjustment” in payments “to reflect those higher costs.” It’s hardly “rationing” to pay hospitals more to compensate for higher costs.

Claim: Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.

True: This does say that “the Secretary shall reduce the payments” to hospitals with too many “potentially preventable” readmissions of patients that they previously had discharged.

Claim: Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.

False. That section is part of a list of potential physician-centered approaches to reducing excess hospital readmissions. The bill states that the secretary of Health and Human Services will conduct a study on the best ways to enforce readmissions policies with physicians. One of the approaches the secretary must consider is the option to reduce payments to physicians whose treatment results in a hospital readmission. Another is the option to increase payments to physicians who check up on recently released patients. Neither of these approaches is mandated in the bill – what’s mandated is that the secretary consider them, among others.

Claim: Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies!

False. It’s already illegal, with certain exceptions, for doctors to refer Medicare patients to hospitals, labs, medical imaging facilities or other such medical businesses in which they hold a financial interest. Page 317 would modify an exception to that “self-referral prohibition” for rural providers, and says doctors can’t increase their stake in an exempt hospital after the bill becomes law.

Claim: Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval.

False. Expansion is forbidden only for rural, doctor-owned hospitals that have been given a waiver from the general prohibition on self-referral. It does not apply to hospitals in general. The bill provides for exceptions to even this limited expansion ban (page 321).

Claim: Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on “community” input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN.

False. Page 321 says rural, doctor-owned hospitals that are exempt from the Medicaid self-referral prohibition can ask to be allowed to expand under rules that must allow “input” from “persons or entities in the community.” Under that language, anybody in the community could offer their opinion, but nobody – not ACORN or anybody else – would be paid for it.

Claim: Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing.

Misleading. This section does deal with establishing quality measures for Medicare. It does not make any recommendations for treatment, or empower anyone to make treatment recommendations based on those measures. The only effect of these outcome-based measures established in the bill would be ranking and potential disqualification of underperforming Medicare Advantage plans – that’s disqualification of the plans, not of any medical procedures.

Claim: Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.

True. The bill allows for the possibility of disqualifying underperforming Medicare Advantage plans, which include Medicare HMOs. Medicare Advantage plans are private health plans that provide Medicare benefits. Under the bill, the secretary of Health and Human Services has the authority to disallow plans that are providing low-quality care under the new quality measures (which include evaluations of patient health, mortality, safety and quality of life). If a plan is disqualified, this will not leave seniors without care. The Kaiser Family Foundation reports that “virtually all” Medicare beneficiaries have access to at least two Medicare Advantage plans, and most have access to three or more. In 2008, 82 percent of beneficiaries had access to six or more private fee-for-service plans, one type of Medicare Advantage plan (along with HMOs, PPOs and medical spending accounts). Beneficiaries are also always free to return to the regular Medicare fee-for-service program.

Claim: Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.

Misleading. Insurance companies already restrict enrollment in so-called “special needs” plans, a special category of Medicare Advantage plans that were created in 2003. Page 354 merely extends the authority to do that beyond the end of next year, when it was set to expire. Furthermore, what’s being restricted isn’t the number of patients, but the type of patients. Plans can be restricted to accepting only those patients who fall into in one or more special categories. These include those who are institutionalized (think, nursing homes), those who qualify both for Medicare and Medicaid (think, both low-income and over age 65) and those with severe or disabling chronic conditions such as diabetes, emphysema, chronic heart failure or dementia. And of course, this has nothing to do with children with learning problems.

Claim: Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone).

Misleading. The advisory committee would not be a “bureaucracy” or have any administrative functions, but instead would bring together experts from the private sector to give advice on how Medicare and Medicaid should treat the practice of medicine via telecommunication, something used in rural hospitals and such places as cruise ships, battlefield settings and even on NASA space missions. Pages 380-381 call for the committee to consist of five “practicing physicians,” two “practicing non-physician health care workers” and two “administrators of telehealth programs.”

Claim: Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia? Claim: Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time. Claim: Page 425: Government provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death Claim: Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends. Claim: Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient’s health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT. Claim: Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life.

All False. These six claims are a twisted interpretation of a provision in the bill that says Medicare will cover voluntary counseling sessions between seniors and their doctors to discuss end-of-life care. Medicare doesn’t pay for such sessions now; it would under the bill. End-of-life care discussions include talking about a living will, hospice care, designating a health care proxy and making decisions on what care you want to receive at the end of your life. Doctors do the consulting, not the "government" or a "bureaucracy." The e-mail author’s assertion that the bill calls for "an ORDER from the GOVERNMENT" for end-of-life plans rests on language about a patient drawing up such an order stipulating their wishes, and having that order signed by a physician. There’s nothing about "an order from the government." The bill defines an order for life-sustaining treatment as a document that "is signed and dated by a physician …[and] effectively communicates the individual’s preferences regarding life sustaining treatment." See our article "False Euthanasia Claims" for more on such assertions.

Claim: Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.

False. This section defines the term "community-based medical home" as a "nonprofit community-based or State-based organization" that "provides beneficiaries with medical home services." ACORN does not provide medical home services. The section goes on to say such a medical service is one that "employs community health workers, including nurses or other non-physician practitioners, lay health workers, or other persons as determined appropriate by the Secretary, that assist the primary or principal care physician or nurse practitioner in chronic care management activities." The only thing ACORN has in common with that description is the word "community." It’s a community organization that offers services such as free tax preparation help and first-time home buyer counseling for low- and moderate-income people. It also works to register people to vote, and a few of its canvassers have been investigated for registration fraud, a point of concern during the presidential campaign.

Claim: Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN.

False. This section is referring to community-based medical homes.

Claim: Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage.

Half true. It’s true that pages 489 and 490 make state-licensed “marriage and family therapist” services a covered expense “for the diagnosis and treatment of mental illnesses.” But the therapists wouldn’t be employed by the government, and there’s no requirement for anybody to receive their help. So the claim that this would mean that “government intervenes in your marriage” is false.

Claim: Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services.

Misleading. The provision amends Section 1861 of the Social Security Act laying out what services Medicare will cover. It expands coverage for mental health services, stipulating that a "mental health counselor" who can perform mental health counseling is someone with a master’s or doctorate degree, a state license, and two years of practice as a counselor. Is this the government "defining" mental health services? Well, it’s certainly the government defining what government programs will cover.

– by Brooks Jackson, Lori Robertson and Jess Henig, with D’Angelo Gore
 

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