Obama's Straw Men

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Obama's Straw Men
Why does he routinely ascribe to opponents views they don't espouse?

By Karl Rove

President Barack Obama reveres Abraham Lincoln. But among the glaring differences between the two men is that Lincoln offered careful, rigorous, sustained arguments to advance his aims and, when disagreeing with political opponents, rarely relied on the lazy rhetorical device of "straw men." Mr. Obama, on the other hand, routinely ascribes to others views they don't espouse and says opposition to his policies is grounded in views no one really advocates.

On Tuesday night, Mr. Obama told Congress and the nation, "I reject the view that . . . says government has no role in laying the foundation for our common prosperity." Who exactly has that view? Certainly not congressional Republicans, who believe that through reasonable tax cuts, fiscal restraint, and prudent monetary policies government contributes to prosperity.

Mr. Obama also said that America's economic difficulties resulted when "regulations were gutted for the sake of a quick profit at the expense of a healthy market." Who gutted which regulations?

Perhaps it was President Bill Clinton who, along with then Treasury Secretary Larry Summers, removed restrictions on banks owning insurance companies in 1999. If so, were Mr. Clinton and Mr. Summers (now an Obama adviser) motivated by quick profit, or by the belief that the reform was necessary to modernize our financial industry?

Perhaps Mr. Obama was talking about George W. Bush. But Mr. Bush spent five years pushing to further regulate Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. He was blocked by Democratic Sen. Chris Dodd and Rep. Barney Frank. Arriving in the Senate in 2005, Mr. Obama backed up Mr. Dodd's threat to filibuster Mr. Bush's needed reforms.

Even in an ostensibly nonpartisan speech marking Lincoln's 200th birthday, Mr. Obama used a straw-man argument, decrying "a philosophy that says every problem can be solved if only government would step out of the way; that if government were just dismantled, divvied up into tax breaks, and handed out to the wealthiest among us, it would somehow benefit us all. Such knee-jerk disdain for government -- this constant rejection of any common endeavor -- cannot rebuild our levees or our roads or our bridges."

Whose philosophy is this? Many Americans justifiably believe that government is too big and often acts in counterproductive ways. But that's a far cry from believing that in "every" case government is the problem or that government should be "dismantled" root and branch. Who -- other than an anarchist -- "constantly rejects any common endeavor" like building levees, roads or bridges?

During his news conference on Feb. 9, Mr. Obama decried an unnamed faction in the congressional stimulus debate as "a set of folks who -- I don't doubt their sincerity -- who just believe that we should do nothing."

Who were these sincere do-nothings? Every House Republican voted for an alternative stimulus plan, evidence that they wanted to do something. Every Senate Republican -- with the exception of Judd Gregg, who'd just withdrawn his nomination to be Mr. Obama's Commerce secretary and therefore voted "present" -- voted for alternative stimulus proposals.

Then there's Mr. Obama's description of the Bush-era tax cuts. "A surplus became an excuse to transfer wealth to the wealthy," he explained in his Tuesday speech, after earlier saying, "tax cuts alone can't solve all of our economic problems -- especially tax cuts that are targeted to the wealthiest few."

The Bush tax cuts were not targeted to "the wealthiest few." Everyone who paid federal income taxes received a tax cut, with the largest percentage of reductions going to those at the bottom. Last year, a family of four making $40,000 saved an average of $2,053 because of the Bush tax cuts. The tax code became more progressive as the share paid by the top 10% increased to 46.4% from 46% -- and the nation experienced 52 straight months of job growth after the cuts took effect. And since when is giving back some of what people pay in taxes "transferring wealth?"

In his inaugural address -- which was generally graceful toward the opposition -- Mr. Obama proclaimed, "We have chosen hope over fear, unity of purpose over conflict and discord." Which Republican ran against him on fear, conflict and discord?

Mr. Obama portrays himself as a nonideological, bipartisan voice of reason. Everyone resorts to straw men occasionally, but Mr. Obama's persistent use of the device is troubling. Continually characterizing those who disagree with you in a fundamentally dishonest way can be the sign of a person who lacks confidence in the merits of his ideas.

It was said that Lincoln crafted his arguments in "resonant words that enriched the political dialogue of his age." Mr. Obama's straw men aren't enriching the dialogue of our age. They are cheapening it. Mr. Obama should stop employing them.
 
You mean...Obama is being dishonest?! :eek:
 
IF you watch Obama carefully, he says what the public wants to hear. The media repeats it and that becomes the sound bite. Behind the scenes he does the exact opposite but the media doesn't report on it and thus the public doesn't know what is reallly going on. It is beyond dishonest.
 
and the nation experienced 52 straight months of job growth after the cuts took effect.

I love how Karl is attempting bravely to make Bush's job creation record look good - Clinton created 23 million jobs, Reagan 16 million jobs, GWBush created 3 million jobs....
 
I love how Karl is attempting bravely to make Bush's job creation record look good - Clinton created 23 million jobs, Reagan 16 million jobs, GWBush created 3 million jobs....

No....the private sector created those jobs while those people occupied the White House. They did not create anything (unless we are talking about government jobs).
 
- Clinton created 23 million jobs, Reagan 16 million jobs, GWBush created 3 million jobs....

I lived thru the Clinton years. I spent 2 years raising money during the Clinton years.

Clinton didn't create jobs, the internet did. When I wanted to hire people, my offers were turned down because any punk that could turn on a computer could get a job paying $60K. When I went to raise money, investors would ask why invest in my business when they could buy stocks that would double in 6 months.

So please, get off the Clinton bandwagon on the economy and jobs. He just happened to be part of the lucky sperm club when it came to being in office when an economic evolution/revolution took place. I'm so tired of hearing that argument from the Left as proof that their policies work. Its just bunk.
 
It's a nice trick to compare economic numbers from a President who took office at the start of an economic recovery and left right before another recession hit.

And then comparing it to a President who took office just as a recession was starting and then left office just after a severe recession began.

Statistics don't lie, liars uses statistics.
 
It's a nice trick to compare economic numbers from a President who took office at the start of an economic recovery and left right before another recession hit.

And then comparing it to a President who took office just as a recession was starting and then left office just after a severe recession began.

Statistics don't lie, liars uses statistics.

Reagan took over as Carter's recession was deeping, a far longer and deeper recession than the one Bush got from Clinton... He managed to end up #2 in the job creation department.

Sorry Foss - Bill wins in the private sector job creation...

From Business Week...
Still, Reagan's growth record looks pretty good in retrospect, averaging 3.4% annually from the time he took office to the time he left. That's just below the 3.6% average growth rate during Clinton's term, and right around the post-war average. And while unemployment stayed high, private-sector jobs grew at a 2.3% annual rate, again just below Clinton's 2.6% rate.
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No....the private sector created those jobs while those people occupied the White House. They did not create anything (unless we are talking about government jobs).
So, the private sector also creates unemployment.. cool, Shag I like this game....

And Reagan's tax policies had nothing to do with creating jobs.... :)

You can't take it both ways boys, either the president does have an effect on the employment climate in the US or he doesn't.

from the same article...
Given today's intensely partisan political atmosphere, it's ironic that the economic record of the past two decades favors neither Reaganomics nor Rubinomics. History shows that it's possible to have a sustainable boom with high deficits, as Reagan did, just as it's possible to have a sustainable boom with higher taxes, as Clinton did. Taxes and deficits do matter -- they just don't matter as much as the ideologues would have us believe.
 
Reagan took over as Carter's recession was deeping, a far longer and deeper recession than the one Bush got from Clinton... He managed to end up #2 in the job creation department.

Sorry Foss - Bill wins in the private sector job creation...

From Business Week...
Still, Reagan's growth record looks pretty good in retrospect, averaging 3.4% annually from the time he took office to the time he left. That's just below the 3.6% average growth rate during Clinton's term, and right around the post-war average. And while unemployment stayed high, private-sector jobs grew at a 2.3% annual rate, again just below Clinton's 2.6% rate.
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Not suprisingly, you are looking at those in isolation. The Reagan boom paved the way for the tech bubble that Clinton enjoyed.

So, the private sector also creates unemployment.. cool, Shag I like this game....

And Reagan's tax policies had nothing to do with creating jobs.... :)

You can't take it both ways boys, either the president does have an effect on the employment climate in the US or he doesn't.

More foxpaws fallacious straw man arguments. The government can either get in the way of the private sector, or it can get out of the way and allow the private sector to work.

Reagan's tax cuts let the private sector create jobs and reduce unemployment. Economic recessions create unemployment.

from the same article...
Given today's intensely partisan political atmosphere, it's ironic that the economic record of the past two decades favors neither Reaganomics nor Rubinomics. History shows that it's possible to have a sustainable boom with high deficits, as Reagan did, just as it's possible to have a sustainable boom with higher taxes, as Clinton did. Taxes and deficits do matter -- they just don't matter as much as the ideologues would have us believe.

More distortion. I am not suprised that you would cite him. The government cannot realistically turn around trends in the economy. All they can do is slow down the economy with their actions. In positive times, they can slow down trends. In negative times, they can magnify the negative effects. Only the free market has ever been able to reverse economic trends.

No one has ever argued that high deficits or high taxes would reverse a positive economic trend. The author assumes that as the argument being made. It is an implied strawman mischaracterization.

You are proving my point that you are incapable of honest debate.
 
Not suprisingly, you are looking at those in isolation. The Reagan boom paved the way for the tech bubble that Clinton enjoyed.

And Nixon's economic policies paved the way for Reagan's economic success.

You still don't get it - either the current president does effect the economic climate or he doesn't... you can't get it both ways. Especially when you look at 2 term presidents.

The government can either get in the way of the private sector, or it can get out of the way and allow the private sector to work. Reagan's tax cuts let the private sector create jobs and reduce unemployment. Economic recessions create unemployment.

And Clinton increased regulations, increased taxes, increased environmental restrictions and the private sector flourished, more than in Reagan's tenure.

So, Clinton's tax increases should have squished the economic growth, his additional regulations should have drove companies away, and environmental restrictions should have killed off whole industries. They didn't.

And BushIIs tax cuts should have created a flourishing economy, an economy that created good jobs. His weakening of environmental guidelines should have created a thriving business community. They didn't.
 
You still don't get it - either the current president does effect the economic climate or he doesn't... you can't get it both ways. Especially when you look at 2 term presidents.

You are still trying to perpetuate an oversimplified mischaracterization and you know it.

Government, on the whole, can only directly effect the economy in the negative. The only way it effects the economy in the positive is indirectly; by getting out of the way of the private sector through tax cuts, spending cuts, less restrictions etc.

And Clinton increased regulations, increased taxes, increased environmental restrictions and the private sector flourished, more than in Reagan's tenure.

And that in no way disproves the notion that government can only directly effect the economy in the negative. The tech bubble was simply that strong to be able to absorb those negative impacts.

So, Clinton's tax increases should have squished the economic growth, his additional regulations should have drove companies away, and environmental restrictions should have killed off whole industries. They didn't.

You are mischaracterizing the argument and you know it. You simply cannot be honest if it means your wrong, can you.

No one has ever argued that any tax increases, added regulations, ristrictions, etc. will squash economic growth. It will work against it. After a point, it will squash economic growth, but that only happens when tax increases, regulations, etc. are imposed at unrealistic levels; in theory based hypotheticals.

If you can't argue honestly then don't waste everyones time.
 
Government cannot create jobs, because government has no wealth. It can only redistribute wealth. With government, economics is a zero sum game.
 

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