P0108 Diag Code???

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I did a search and only found 1 result related to this code. Seems that replacing the EGR valve fixed his problem. Just checking to see if anyone else has expereinced this code and what was your fix? My engine light jumped on 2 days ago and I had Autozone run the diag on it yesterday which it gave the P0108 error (bad MAP or barometric sensor?). I was gonna take it to the stealership on Monday but if this is an easy fix, then I'll save my $$$.
 
Try cleaning your mass air flow sensor. Make sure there is no damage to the intake ductwork as it will also kick that code also. I would do this before taking it to the stealership. Remember to only use MAF cleaner, not alcohol.
 
Try cleaning your mass air flow sensor. Make sure there is no damage to the intake ductwork as it will also kick that code also. I would do this before taking it to the stealership. Remember to only use MAF cleaner, not alcohol.

Where is the MAF located on a GenII? I see some type of sensor which sits right on the front bumper when you open up the hood.
 
On the ductwork coming from the airbox to the throttle body you will see two small screws. Take them out and disconnect the sensor.
 
Cleaned the MAF sensor

:mad: So I cleaned the MAF sensor and pulled the negative terminal on the battery for 30 min. I just realized that I never reset the PCM since I bought the car used with 18k miles on it; it now has 48k on it 2yrs later. Huge difference with a clean MAF and a reset PCM. Unfortunately this didnt fix my P0108 check engine light problem and the light came back on after 17miles. I'm guessing I'll have to replace the EGR which has that MAP/Barometric sensor on it? :confused:
 
:mad: So I cleaned the MAF sensor and pulled the negative terminal on the battery for 30 min. I just realized that I never reset the PCM since I bought the car used with 18k miles on it; it now has 48k on it 2yrs later. Huge difference with a clean MAF and a reset PCM. Unfortunately this didnt fix my P0108 check engine light problem and the light came back on after 17miles. I'm guessing I'll have to replace the EGR which has that MAP/Barometric sensor on it? :confused:

My understanding is that the Gen II has a BAP instead of a MAP, and that the MAF, BAP, and IAT are all in the MAF sensor assembly. I could be wrong. Those details are all in the emissions diagnosis manual and so far I've had no reason to get one of those.
 
My understanding is that the Gen II has a BAP instead of a MAP, and that the MAF, BAP, and IAT are all in the MAF sensor assembly. I could be wrong. Those details are all in the emissions diagnosis manual and so far I've had no reason to get one of those.

Joe,

Any way to find out for sure? Dealer can't seem to locate the part nor can Autozone or any other parts store. I'm not sure what effect this has on the LS.
 
Joe,

Any way to find out for sure? Dealer can't seem to locate the part nor can Autozone or any other parts store. I'm not sure what effect this has on the LS.

Okay, I found this indicating that the LS actually not only has a MAP sensor, but it has two of them. Learn something new almost every day...

TSB
05-3-1 MAF DIAGNOSTIC SERVICE TIP - VEHICLES EQUIPPED WITH EGR SYSTEM MODULE (ESM)

Publication Date: January 28, 2005

FORD: 2003-2005 Crown Victoria, Thunderbird
2005 Five Hundred, Ford GT, Freestyle, Mustang
2004-2005 Explorer, F-150, Freestar
2005 E-Series
LINCOLN: 2003-2005 LS, Town Car, Aviator
MERCURY: 2003-2005 Grand Marquis
2005 Montego
2004-2005 Monterey, Mountaineer



ISSUE:
When diagnosing for a possible MAF sensor related condition, on a vehicle equipped with an EGR system module (ESM), an incorrect engine-running BARO value is no longer a reliable indicator of a skewed MAF sensor. Vehicles with ESM use both the MAP and MAF for engine-running BARO updates. Replacing the MAF sensor for a seemingly incorrect or inconsistent key-on BARO is not an effective repair for vehicles equipped with an ESM.

ACTION:
Refer to the following Service Tips to aid in diagnosing MAF and other malfunction indicator lamp (MIL)/driveability concerns, using the BARO PID.

SERVICE TIPS

NOTE: SOME EARLY BUILT 2003 VEHICLES EQUIPPED WITH AN ESM MAY NOT HAVE THE STRATEGY/CALIBRATION TO UPDATE THE BARO PID USING THE ESM'S MAP SENSOR. IN THESE APPLICATIONS THE BARO WILL BE UPDATED BY THE MAF SENSOR, OR IF FAULTS ARE PRESENT A DEFAULT VALUE WILL BE SET (DEFAULT VALUE MAY DIFFER DEPENDING ON APPLICATION AND STRATEGY). DIAGNOSE THESE APPLICATIONS WITH THE CURRENT PROCEDURES WITHOUT USING THE ESM'S BARO METHODS.



NOTE: THE BAROMETRIC PRESSURE/MAP SENSOR REFERENCE CHART CONTAINED IN THIS TSB SHOWS THE ESM'S MAP SENSOR VOLTAGE CORRESPONDING TO A BARO READING IN INCHES OF MERCURY (IN-HG) AND IN HERTZ (HZ). THE CONVERSION TO KILO PASCALS (KPA) AND POUNDS PER SQUARE INCHES (PSI) ARE ALSO PROVIDED IN THE CHART.



The ESM calculates EGR delta pressure using two (2) MAP sensors that independently read intake manifold and exhaust pressure. This allows vehicles with an ESM to use a MAP sensor to obtain a BARO reading from the intake manifold, prior to engine start.

There are three (3) ways for the BARO PID to update in vehicles equipped with an ESM:

BARO is adjusted to a value based on the ESM's MAP sensor reading during key-on prior to engine start. There must be a minimum of 1 minute key-off time to get the BARO to update, prior to turning the key to the start/run position.
BARO may also be adjusted based on MAF and MAP sensors readings under certain driving conditions, as long as no DTCs or faults are present. Typical conditions are stabilized engine temperatures and high to moderate throttle openings.
BARO will adjust to a default value if faults are presents or the keep alive memory (KAM) is cleared. A low battery voltage or a KAM reset performed by a scan tool will clear KAM. The default value depends on how the vehicle application was calibrated. (example the BARO value may read 27 in-Hg (150Hz) when the KAM was cleared, but the actually barometric pressure due to geographical region may be different.) Use the following verification method to check BARO.
NOTE: TO VERIFY BARO IN VEHICLES EQUIPPED WITH ESM'S YOU WILL NEED A SCAN TOOL AND THE BAROMETRIC PRESSURE/MAP SENSOR REFERENCE CHART.



DIAGNOSTICS

If DTCs other than P2106, P0106, P0107, P0401, P0402 are present, repair these first. If the KAM is reset during the repairs then proceed to Step 3.
Do not reset KAM.
Make sure the key is off for at least 1 minute.
Connect the scan tool.
Turn key on, do not start the engine.
Setup scan tool to read BARO PID and MAP_V (MAP sensor voltage).
Verify if BARO PID and MAP voltage matches barometric pressure for appropriate geographical location using the barometric pressure/MAP sensor reference chart. (Example, if the MAP_V reads approximately 4.20 V then the BARO PID should read about 156Hz which would correspond to a region where the barometric pressure is approximately 29 in-HG. Verify with local weather reports and altitude readings.)
If the key-on BARO is not appropriate for the geographical region verify the MAP sensor is putting out the correct voltage by comparing MAP_V PID and the actual voltage at pin-3 of the ESM (use pin-6 for the ground reference). If there is a discrepancy greater than 0.2 volts then perform the following checks.
Check ESM wires and connections for shorts and opens.
Check for internal ESM short. Check resistance between pin-2 (VREF) and pin-6 (signal return) on the ESM with ESM harness disconnected. If resistance is less then 2000 OHMS then replace ESM and retest.


Figure 1 - Article 05-3-1



WARRANTY STATUS:
Information Only




Figure 2 - Article 05-3-1


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NOTE: The information in Technical Service Bulletins is intended for use by trained, professional technicians with the knowledge, tools, and equipment to do the job properly and safely. It informs these technicians of conditions that may occur on some vehicles, or provides information that could assist in proper vehicle service. The procedures should not be performed by "do-it-yourselfers". Do not assume that a condition described affects your car or truck. Contact a Ford, Lincoln, or Mercury dealership to determine whether the Bulletin applies to your vehicle. Warranty Policy and Extended Service Plan documentation determine Warranty and/or Extended Service Plan coverage unless stated otherwise in the TSB article. The information in this Technical Service Bulletin (TSB) was current at the time of printing. Ford Motor Company reserves the right to supercede this information with updates. The most recent information is available through Ford Motor Company's on-line technical resources.

Copyright © 2005 Ford Motor Company
 
Thanks Joe! Sounds like this is going to be a major PITA! The thing i'm confused about at this point is what it states:

DIAGNOSTICS

If DTCs other than P2106, P0106, P0107, P0401, P0402 are present, repair these first. If the KAM is reset during the repairs then proceed to Step 3.
Do not reset KAM.


I'm getting P0108 which comes up as a bad MAP/BAP sensor. Should I start with trying to find the part numbers and replacing the MAP/BAP sensors first or just replace the ESM?
 
Thanks Joe! Sounds like this is going to be a major PITA! The thing i'm confused about at this point is what it states:

DIAGNOSTICS

If DTCs other than P2106, P0106, P0107, P0401, P0402 are present, repair these first. If the KAM is reset during the repairs then proceed to Step 3.
Do not reset KAM.


I'm getting P0108 which comes up as a bad MAP/BAP sensor. Should I start with trying to find the part numbers and replacing the MAP/BAP sensors first or just replace the ESM?

I don't know. Maybe someone else will...
 
For $20, you can get a month of on-line access to the emission diagnosis manual at www.helminc.com
In theory, it would provide the trouble shooting steps to determine which component(s) to replace when starting from the P0108 code.
 

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