Palin's church burns, $1M in damage; Arson suspected

They like sodomy in Iraq, military guys I know have been telling me that it's actually was a big problem in the Iraqi police departments... didn't know you had a size in mind when you went down there though, Johnny.

Again, there's no hate like liberal hate.
I wonder if anyone is going to find a way to investigate this HATE CRIME.
 
Calabrio said:
They like sodomy in Iraq, military guys I know have been telling me that it's actually was a big problem in the Iraqi police departments... didn't know you had a size in mind when you went down there though, Johnny.

Again, there's no hate like liberal hate.
I wonder if anyone is going to find a way to investigate this HATE CRIME.
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??? WTF do shoes have to do w/ sodomy? Unless you've learned something new from your buddies. Is that code-speak for "grab your ankles"? :eek:
 
On point, this is clearly a hate crime yet I don't see the outrage.
 
Almost all church fires, if found to be arson, are hate crimes. And are almost always investigated as such.

Once again Calabrio, before the 'leftist nut must have had a book of matches, a can of gasoline and a grudge against the right and specifically Ms Palin' finger pointing begins, let's wait until the facts are in. It is a huge church, with a big congregation, and a somewhat controversial pastor.
 
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Once again Calabrio, before the 'leftist nut must have had a book of matches, a can of gasoline and a grudge against the right and specifically Ms Palin' finger pointing begins, let's wait until the facts are in. It is a huge church, with a big congregation, and a somewhat controversial pastor.
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Well, we know that it was arson. They've identified that accelerant was poured around the church. And we know that it is the church that Palin attends.

You say it's a huge church, with a big congregation-
I haven't seen anything that really indicates that it's "huge". Nor do I see how this would make it more prone to being the victim of arson.

And you also said that Pastor Larry Kroons is "somewhat controversial." I don't know what that ambigious statement is based on. It would appear that being religious is "somewhat controversial" to you? But even if he were, that would mean it WAS a 'leftist nut must have had a book of matches, a can of gasoline and a grudge against the right." It's always possible that this was just a random act of arson, but none of the evidence indicates that. From the target of the attack to the time of night it was performed. From what I've read, investigators don't think this was the result of some firebug.

My point about outrage and hate crimes have to do with the double standard.
If Trinity United Church were lit on fire, it would be a national outrage. But, in this case, it's almost considered a punchline on the liberal blogs.
 
That's pretty ridiculous. Even though I'm not religious, that kind of crap is still intolerable. Although, the only church that was lit on fire that I was happy about was that asshat Westboro Baptist Church.
 
I didn't know the arson was confirmed. The title of this thread is Palin's church burns, $1M in damage; Arson suspected

Any church that has over a million dollars in damages, and is still standing, with over 1,000 people who attend the service every Sunday in my book is really big (my church is much, much smaller). This was the last story I read on it...

No, being religious is not being controversial - there were earlier threads here regarding the pastor and his beliefs regarding witches and that there was some controversy over some cleansing ceremony he did with Governor Palin.

Once again - isn't it better to 'wait and see' if indeed the arsonist is connected with the left?

And, you are right - if Obama's church was burnt by arsonists it would get bigger press. Couldn't that be a reflection of a change in circumstance? Most church burnings get a bit of coverage and then the coverage fades away. Just because in this case, the church in question belongs to a failed VP candidate doesn't mean that it is deserving of front page coverage. Do you think if Lloyd Bentsen's church burned it would get any attention whatsoever? Political stars fade fast... ;)
 
foxpaws said:
I didn't know the arson was confirmed. The title of this thread is Palin's church burns, $1M in damage; Arson suspected
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The first post isn't the end of the story.
You can take my word for it, but it takes far more time to find a link I read earlier in the day than it does for me to post.

http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/623876.html
Whoever torched Gov. Sarah Palin's home church tried to start fires in several places around the building, the federal agency assisting in the investigation said Monday.

Accelerants were found in multiple locations on the outside of Wasilla Bible Church, including around entrances and exits, according to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
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The location of the accelerants is particularly disturbing when you also consider the time of night the fire was set and that fact that there were women and children STILL INSIDE.

Any church that has over a million dollars in damages, and is still standing,
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The value of the damage is a testament to the severity of the fire.

with over 1,000 people who attend the service every Sunday in my book is really big (my church is much, much smaller)
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They have four services. It's a large congregation, but it's hardly huge. When you speak of huge churches, you think of things like Lakewood Church or Saddleback Church with it's 22,000 attending members.

No, being religious is not being controversial - there were earlier threads here regarding the pastor and his beliefs regarding witches and that there was some controversy over some cleansing ceremony he did with Governor Palin.
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So, you're speculating that because he might believe in talking in tongues, someone decided they wanted to light the church on fire and possibly burn the people inside to death?

Either way, this would be consistent with the crazy, hateful, leftist theory you were trying to dismiss.

Once again - isn't it better to 'wait and see' if indeed the arsonist is connected with the left?
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Certainly. However, that doesn't mean it's unreasonable or inappropriate to speculate as the information concerning this crime is released.

And, you are right - if Obama's church was burnt by arsonists it would get bigger press. Couldn't that be a reflection of a change in circumstance?
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No, it points to agenda. If Obama's church were burned, it's be a crime of race, not one of religion.

Most church burnings get a bit of coverage and then the coverage fades away.
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That would be consistent with most crimes, however- see my last point. Racial crimes, crimes against minority, and crimes against groups with "special victimhood identifications" get addition press and media coverage. A hate crime against a large white church isn't given much interest.

Do you think if Lloyd Bentsen's church burned it would get any attention whatsoever? Political stars fade fast... ;)
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Lloyd Benten ran for Vice President in 1988. It's been 20 years, so the example is really very bad. To make it an even worse example, Bentsen was never associated or vilified in the press on the basis of his religion. So the example is just pitiful.

However, if a law office associated with John Edwards had been firebombed in December of 2000, YEAH, I think it would have been a big deal in the media. It'd be a showcase for "right wing rage" or the result of "hateful talk radio hosts" or some other nonsense.
 
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"The arsonist had oddly shaped feet."
 
After reading foxpaws' post, I understand how the ATF got away with smearing Koresh. Spread rumors and half truths, and paint the churchgoers and pastor as wackos, and nobody's upset about it.

She's a spinmeister.
 
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Levi Johnson wanted for questioning in Wasilla Bible Church arson case.

Levi Johnson, better known as the young father of Bristol Palin's child, momentary celebrity, and self described 'disgruntled fu@%ing redneck' is considered a 'person of interest' in the arson investigation by the local Wasilla police.

"Levi hasn't been seen around here as of late, and you betcha he had an axe to grind with that Palin group," the local Wasilla sheriff, Tom Dunkenheimer told reporters. "You know those other hockey boys have been giv'n him a bad time about the haircut, the tattoo and the whole baby thing, and I think he just snapped."

Rumor has it that the wedding was called off earlier this month, and that the baby shower gifts have been donated to a local unwed mothers charity.

According to the goalie of the Wasilla Walruses (Levi's former hockey team) Eric Stolenz "Yeah, Levi was pissed, and said he was going to get even for having to wear that monkey suit on TV."

Sandy Openhomer, a waitress at the local 'hang out' the Moose Stew Cantina has told authorities that she overheard Levi planning to leave the country and head to Russia. "He heard that you can see Russia from Alaska", and according to Sandy, Levi seemed to think that he could walk there, and demand political asylum.

The police assured the people of Wasilla that justice will be served, even if they have to walk to Russia themselves. As Sherriff Dunkenheimer puts it, “Ya, you know, you got these kids who just think they can get away with anything, and then go and hang out in that Moscow for a while – well, we plan on making an example of that Levi this time, you just wait and see.”
;)
 
Levi Johnson's mom was cooking up meth in the church. :D

Curious 5+ days and no new news.......... probably found something embarrassing to the gov.
 
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