Preperation for the Autobahn.

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Allright guys, many of you know I am moving to Germany in a few years. I am taking the 95 with me, just to have for fun out on the autobahn.


Jeremi will be able to answer this the best, but I need to know.


How much power am I gonna need to comfortably cruise over there with out needing to worry about any of the local muscle pulling away from me?


I'm thinking about a low compression, C headed, 2.6L big bore KB blown, stroker. enough, or is it gonna be over kill?

I could just do a forged rebuild of the one I have now, and vortech it, but I want to lower the gearing back to 3.07's to facilitate high speed cruise. I'm not too concerned about the lambos, or ferraris, but If I could stomp em, even better.


What are your ideas?



Mike
 
Mike, in Germany, you can go 190mph if your car will do it. I was a passenger in a BMW 7 series a he was flying. So, what would be the top end speed be for your 95? I was under the impression that the Mark can go that fast if properly tuned. In Germany, the autobahn is more about top end speed than 1/4 mile speed.
 
Time to ring-up the Australians for a Modular 5.4 BOSS. :gr_devil:
 
The autobaan is not all its cracked up to be.

I've lived in germany for a month or two and I thought I would be racing through on the highways at crazy speeds.

NOT!!

You dont have to worry alot about the italian cars.....
Its the german cars you have to worry about because they own the road.


hear are most of my tips about Driving in germany from a post I did earlier this year.

1.)Bicycles have the same rights as cars
2.)so do animals (run over the family cat and you could be fined.)
3.)There is no turning right on red, unless there is a black cardboard square with a green arrow to the right.
4.)Stoplights are actually drag trees. When at the red light, the light will go from red, to yellow, to green... That so people can get their cars into gear.
5.)The phrase, 'green means go,yellow means go faster, and red means go like a bat outta hell' really applies. If you slow down for the yellow, someone will likely be ruining the rear end of your car.
6.)Germans have different tires for different seasons. Summer tires for summer and winter tires for winter. Do not be caught driving in the summer with winter tires, or vice versa. If you have an accident, and even if the guy ran into you, it will be automatically your fault because of your tires.
7.)There is no such thing as police brutality. If a cop asks to take a blood sample from you for a alcohol test, it is in your best intrest to comply. If you say no, he will still get his sample....just not with a needle....
8.) Traffic cones, trash cans, street signs, or anything else can be used to nail you for speeding. They install cameras in them, that will take a picture from the front and back of your car. And mail you the ticket. If you are driving down the autobahn and see a box with a red lense on it, make sure you are doing the speed limit. They are more prevelant in areas that have no speed and then drop to 50 mph, and then back to no speed.
9.)if you are going slower than 90mph on the autobahn, most likely you will be continuosly passed by semis towing 2 trailers.
10.)Tailgating is a sport here. It is also not uncomming to see the above semis have a distance of less than 3 feet between the trailer, and the cab behind him. Same applies for cars.
11.)Giving someone the bird will cost you around 350 euros...$390 USD. (experience talking)
12.)There are different kinds of streets here with their own speed limits. You have city streets with a speed limit of 50kph, you have outter roads (bundestrasse) ( like Hwy 109) where the speed limit is 100 kph, or the autobahn (unlimited unless otherwise posted) Any of these roads will have the above mentions speed traps.
13.)If you run out of gas on the autobahn, it is about 140 dollar ticket and 2 points on your license.
14.)If you have a lowered car, you will not be able to go over speed bumps unless you do not like your current exhaust system.
15.) Ausfahrt means exit and not a town that the arrow is pointing to. Common phrase among americans is 'where the hell is Ausfarht in Germany...Been driving around in circles!'
16) Germany is one of the few countries that someone can pass a cop doing 145 Kph (about 90 mph) and not get a ticket. This is only on the unrestricted parts of the autobaan.
17) There's somewhat of a pecking order amongst cars, in which VWs cede to Audis, which cede to BMWs, which cede to Mercedes, which cede to the kings of the road, Porsches. If you drive a car not listed above (Skoda, Seat, Renault, Citroen, Peugeot, american non-V8's) Stay in the right lane with all the other semi trucks. If you happen to be in the left lane and you see a Porsche about 1/4 mile away just crank the wheel and hope you got over in time.
18) The have these things called a stau. (pronounced stow). these make american traffic jams look like clear sailing. These stau's can stretch as far as 30+ miles. Fog is ususally what causes it. The fog is STUPID THICK over there. I've been in my car and not see the car 2 feet behind me. Its more like smoke than water fog.
19) Unless you live in the country and you work in the city dont get excited about blowing the doors off of any Merc's. At every exit there is a speed reduction zone.
20) after about 120mph your insurance is invaild. If you wreak or wreak someone else at 120mph+ you are not covered under ANY insurance.
21) Plan to make the mark a VERY weekend car. The gas prices $6 U.S. A GALLON. So your looking at $100 to fill up. and thats pretty low.
22) German's tax their cars based on the liter displacement of your engine. Since the mark VIII has a 4.6 your in the same tax bracket as the big 5L+ V8 AMG Merc's So plan to have a VERY LARGE tax bill when you inport the car.
23) You think the "smog Naiz" are bad in cali, where do you think they got the term from. The are REALLY strict about emmissions and you will be tested upon import.
 
If you're looking for a substantial gain in top speed you need more power, of course, ......... and I wouldn't use boost as the solution. You don't want to sit in boost forEVER it's not healthy on mileage or the engine. I'd stroke it and bore it a bit .. not too krazzie .. and go with a low psi vortech, that you'd mainly use for the extra torque to get there. But not to cruise with. You want enough independant power out of the engine only to keep you at those speeds.

Hell. You don't even need that much. A forged rotating asslembly, bored .030 over and a good breathing set of heads with a tune, good exhaust and no taller than a 3.27 gr and you'd be good to go without boost.

The T56 tip is a good one, too.
 
phreakness said:
hear are most of my tips about Driving in germany from a post I did earlier this year.

Great post, that was interesting to read.
 
Thank you phreak,


The insight is appriciated.


I'm still gonna do it. :D


I'll have some more questions about it, once the time comes.
 
In your pecking order on #17,


You mention that non american v-8's should stay over all the time. Where would a highly modded VIII stand in that? :)


I love this topic.
 
94m5 said:
In your pecking order on #17,


You mention that non american v-8's should stay over all the time. Where would a highly modded VIII stand in that? :)


I love this topic.

Most will assume you have a V8 but as EVERYONE knows over there american V8 power is no match for german V8 power. If it aint german, it aint S.h.i.t.

I learned some valuable lessons over there. Basicly there is always someone faster than you. and their cars are DESIGNED to hold 650 HP (about 800 U.S. HP) ALL DAMN DAY. They've paid 100k for the car, they know what it can do daily.

We live to get the next street light as fast as possible, those bastard live to get to the next town as fast as possible.

I was in an 2005 AMG E55 Merc doing about 200kph and I was DUSTED by a Porsche and 2 mortorcycles that had to be doing well over 300. My car shook as they passed. Those guys are no joke when you get on the open. But there aren't alot of open roads unless you get out in the country side. then you run into problems with service.

While I was in germany my hotel was in Kassel and the plant was about 35 mins of highway driving I've done it twice in about 9-11 mins

This will be your favorite sign

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You can do all the work to the engine you want but make sure you have

- upgraded cooling system (driving that fast for that long creates ALOT of heat)
- upgraded brakes (your exits come up real fast. they dont have a million signs every 50ft like they do in the states)
- The brightest lights you can get. (things go by really fast at night)
- proper tires
- proper tune.

these guys dont race for 1/4 mile they race from city to city. just because you hit 140 mph doesnt mean the race is over.
 
phreakness said:
These guys dont race for 1/4 mile they race from city to city. just because you hit 140 mph doesnt mean the race is over.



This I understand.


I know about the modifications required also, Which is why I was talking about dropping back to 3.07's. I would think that a 650+Hp blown stroker could handle the life out there. I am not gonna take the time to install the 6speed, as I think a built auto will work just fine with that power level.


To those that think running on boost all the time is no good. I'm not worried about mileage, or longevity too much. It's gonna be a have fun car, and with the gas prices over there, and OCCASIONAL have fun car.

It's not like here and fill the tank with 45 bucks.
 
If you bulid it, make it for sustained high RPM. A 650hp mod motor aint going to last long on a 30 mile run of road.

once you get over there you'll figure out that all the HP is not used alot. becuase you're having to slow down so much between cities. unless you drive 2 hours+ to the country or between 2 major cities, then you may have a run that last for 30 mins max. also you have to think about gas. becuase not every station sell petrol I'd say 1out of 20 and even less in the country.
 
I don't think I need to tell you that you will want a large upgrade in the oil cooling department. Those German cars have oil coolers that are either the size of Texas, or small and 3-4 inches thick.

I have done a lot of studying on the effects on sustained high speed with the Mark VIII, and once you pass 140, the oil temperatures continue to rise. Where would it stop without a really good oil cooling system? Who knows. I caught a max of 245 sustaining 140 mph for 2 minutes, and it was only going up from there. Don't take my word for it though. Look in the grille of any V8 AMG car and you'll see an oil cooler that looks like it should be an intercooler.

The same thing goes for your engine cooling system as wel. Might seem adequate now, but that may not hold true for your car at those speeds sustained.

I wish there were something I could show you as a size comparison in this picture, but trust me, it is big. This oil cooler takes up he entire lower grille of an SL55:

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You will also want to look into ways of decreasing front and rear lift at speed. The Mark VIII is a very efficienct car aerodynamically, but suffers from a lot of lift at speed. I would think that you being a bodyman, you would be able to come up with some creative solutions.
 
I live here in Germany now...

If you have any questions, feel free to ask...

What are you coming over for?

Cause there are ways around the gas and taxation for registration...
 
"Cant find a car you like in Germany?" /thick german accent

"No, I cant find a speed limit I like in America" GT500 owner
 
6.)Germans have different tires for different seasons. Summer tires for summer and winter tires for winter. Do not be caught driving in the summer with winter tires, or vice versa. If you have an accident, and even if the guy ran into you, it will be automatically your fault because of your tires.

Same as Canada.
 
If [HP = .000008702 x Cd x A x MPH^3] is correct (it came within 2mph of predicting my unlimited ETC's top speed, 155 vs 153) and assuming the 95 is lowered and it's drag coefficent has not been significantly changed, 600hp would get you north of 325(km/h) top speed. How long it lasts is up to whoever's building the motor.
 
94m5 said:
I'm thinking about a low compression, C headed, 2.6L big bore KB blown, stroker. enough, or is it gonna be over kill?

KB??? Bad idea for a top end car. I'd go with a turbo for what you want to do. The KB at those rpm's will be short-lived with the heat they create. Turbo is a much better choice, imho.
 

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