Proof that Democrats know no constitutional limits to their power...

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House passes bill taxing fat AIG and other bonuses

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Denouncing a "squandering of the people's money," lawmakers voted decisively Thursday to impose a 90 percent tax on millions of dollars in employee bonuses paid by troubled insurance giant AIG and other bailed-out companies.

In some cases the bonuses might be taxed 100 percent leaving the recipients with nothing.

It was only this past weekend that the bailed-out insurance giant paid bonuses totaling $165 million to employees, including traders in the Financial Products unit that nearly brought about AIG's collapse.

AIG has received $182.5 billion in federal bailout money and is now 80 percent government owned.

Disclosure of the bonuses touched off a national firestorm that both the Obama administration and Congress have scurried to contain.

The House vote was 328-93. Similar legislation has been introduced in the Senate and President Barack Obama quickly signaled general support for the concept.

"I look forward to receiving a final product that will serve as a strong signal to the executives who run these firms that such compensation will not be tolerated," the president said in a statement.

"We want our money back now for the taxpayers," said House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. "It isn't that complicated."

Rep. Charles Rangel, a New York Democrat, chairman of the tax-writing House Ways and Means Committee, said he expected local and state governments to take the remaining 10 percent of the bonuses, nullifying the pay-outs.

In a statement issued by the White House late Thursday, Obama said the House vote "rightly reflects the outrage that so many feel over the lavish bonuses that AIG provided its employees at the expense of the taxpayers who have kept this failed company afloat."

"In the end, this is a symptom of a larger problem -- a bubble-and-bust economy that valued reckless speculation over responsibility and hard work," he said. "That is what we must ultimately repair to build a lasting and widespread prosperity."

The lopsided vote failed to reflect the contentious political battle that preceded it.

Republicans took Democrats to task for rushing to tax AIG bonuses worth an estimated $165 million after the majority party stripped from last month's economic stimulus bill a provision that could have banned such pay-outs..

"This political circus that's going on here today with this bill is not getting to the bottom of the questions of who knew what and when did they know it," said House Republican Leader John Boehner.

He voted "no," but 85 fellow Republicans joined 243 Democrats in voting "yes." It was opposed by six Democrats and 87 Republicans.

The bill would impose a 90 percent tax on bonuses given to employees with family incomes above $250,000 at American International Group and other companies that have received at least $5 billion in government bailout money. It would apply to any such bonuses issued since Dec. 31.

The House vote, after just 40 minutes of debate, showed how quickly Congress can act when the political will is there.

Topic No. 1 raised by Republicans during the House debate was the last-minute altering of a provision in President Barack Obama's $787 billion stimulus law to cap executive compensation for firms receiving government bailouts.

The measure might have forestalled payment of the AIG bonuses.

But Senate Banking Committee Chairman Chris Dodd, a Connecticut Democrat and the author of the provision, says the administration insisted that he modify his proposal so that it would only apply to payments agreed to in the future.

That, critics claim, cleared the way for the AIG pay-outs.

"The idea came from the administration," Dodd said Thursday

Dodd said he was not aware of any AIG bonuses at the time the change was made.

Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner confirmed such conversations with Dodd. He said the administration was worried about possible legal challenges to the provision.

"We expressed concern about this specific version," Geithner said in an interview with CNN. "But we also worked with him to strengthen the overall bill."

The treasury secretary, who has been criticized for not learning of the AIG bonus payments sooner since he helped orchestrate the bailout last year as president of the New York Fed, said anew in the interview that he was not informed of the bonuses until last week.

"And as soon as I heard about the full scale of these things, we moved very actively to explore every possible legal avenue to address this problem," Geithner said.

A similar -- but not as punitive -- bill to recoup bonus payments with taxes was gaining support in the Senate.

It would impose a 35 percent excise tax on the companies paying the bonuses and a 35 percent tax on the employees receiving them. The taxes would apply to all companies receiving government bailout money, but they are clearly geared toward AIG.

Meanwhile, New York's attorney general, Andrew Cuomo, said AIG has given him the list of employees who received a total of $165 million in retention bonuses.

Cuomo said he won't release any employees' names until his office has answered any security concerns raised by the AIG employees.

Obama administration special envoy Richard Holbooke was on AIG's board of directors in early 2008, when the insurance company committed to the bonuses, and during the previous years of aggressive investment strategies that brought the firm to brink of collapse. White House spokesman Tommy Vietor said Thursday: "Mr. Holbrooke had nothing to do with and knew nothing about the bonuses."
 
This is utterly disgusting! Anyone who voted for this, Democrat or Republican should be immediately removed from office! This is a classic example of mob rule and abuse of power.
 
You NEVER see Republicans doing this kind of thing. This is similar to a bill of attainder. It's unconstitutional.
 
You NEVER see Republicans doing this kind of thing. This is similar to a bill of attainder. It's unconstitutional.

This is not just similar to a bill of attainder, it is a bill of attainder.

While Republican's would never push through something like this, some of them did vote for it. I don't care what their justification is, they should be removed from office. This should not be tolerated by society. Anyone taking these kind of actions needs to be removed from power.

They are s**ting on the Constitution.
 
Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but it seems like a good thing, they were using (our) tax money they received to keep themselves going to pay bonuses. Are you upset that they don't get to give bonuses, upset that the government can tell companies what to do (or not) with bailout monies received or?

This is of course beyond all the dirty-dealings of these companies receiving our money with little restrain in the first place.
 
Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but it seems like a good thing, they were using (our) tax money they received to keep themselves going to pay bonuses. Are you upset that they don't get to give bonuses, upset that the government can tell companies what to do (or not) with bailout monies received or?

This is of course beyond all the dirty-dealings of these companies receiving our money with little restrain in the first place.
Let's see if you can play connect the dots.

Obama gets Dodd to include language in the bailout bill allowing the bonuses to AIG.

The Fed gives over $170 BILLION to AIG, which is then instructed to funnel much of that money to OTHER BANKS, including FOREIGN BANKS. [This is the real scandal]

AIG had contracts in place to pay bonuses, many of which were RETENTION bonuses. These were paid out MONTHS AGO.

Congress knew about this MONTHS AGO.

Congress pretends to have a hissyfit over these bonuses even though they authorized them. Obama knew about this.

Congress created this situation and is now exploiting it, grandstanding in an effort to distract from the FACT that they laundered $170 BILLION through AIG to foreign and other banks.
 
Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but it seems like a good thing, they were using (our) tax money they received to keep themselves going to pay bonuses. Are you upset that they don't get to give bonuses, upset that the government can tell companies what to do (or not) with bailout monies received or?

This is of course beyond all the dirty-dealings of these companies receiving our money with little restrain in the first place.

Focusing on the corruption at AIG is like talking about the tick on the back of the gorilla in the room. It is very important that you understand this...

This is unconstitutional on so many levels! There is a very specific reason that this type of this was forbidden in the Constitution. Here is the definition of a bill of attainder:
a law declaring a person or group of persons guilty of some crime and punishing them without benefit of a trial.

An ex post facto law is a, "law that retroactively changes the legal consequences of acts committed or the legal status of facts and relationships that existed prior to the enactment of the law."

Both are specifically forbidden by Article I, section 9, of the United States Constitution.

Here are a few quotes on this:
The Bill of Attainder Clause was intended not as a narrow, technical (and therefore soon to be outmoded) prohibition, but rather as an implementation of the separation of powers, a general safeguard against legislative exercise of the judicial function or more simply - trial by legislature
-U.S. v. Brown, 381 U.S. 437, 440 (1965)

These clauses of the Constitution are not of the broad, general nature of the Due Process Clause, but refer to rather precise legal terms which had a meaning under English law at the time the Constitution was adopted. A bill of attainder was a legislative act that singled out one or more persons and imposed punishment on them, without benefit of trial. Such actions were regarded as odious by the framers of the Constitution because it was the traditional role of a court, judging an individual case, to impose punishment.
-William H. Rehnquist, The Supreme Court, page 166

Bills of attainder, ex post facto laws, and laws impairing the obligations of contracts, are contrary to the first principles of the social compact, and to every principle of sound legislation. ... The sober people of America are weary of the fluctuating policy which has directed the public councils. They have seen with regret and indignation that sudden changes and legislative interferences, in cases affecting personal rights, become jobs in the hands of enterprising and influential speculators, and snares to the more-industrious and less-informed part of the community
-James Madison, Federalist Number 44, 1788​

The Framer forbade these type legislative mechanisms for a reason; they are inherent abuses of power, undermine the rule of law and subvert any and all "due process" rights and lead to mob rule. This action by the House is assuming judicial powers and subverting any and all limitations on their power in the Constitution.

I think you can connect the dots from there. ;)
 
Dude,

Were you as upset about the tens of millions of dollars in bonuses pocketed by such scam artists as Franklin Raines?
 
Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but it seems like a good thing,

I think any American should be able to burn any contract they don't like after they sign it.

It's happening in the mortgage industryright now.

Heck, we put a Usurper in office and nobody gives a :q:q:q:q that he's not eligible because the Constitution doesn't mean squat and now contracts don't either.

I'm so proud of my Country.:rolleyes:
 
Bryan,

Just a point of order.

You're not 'proud' of your country, you're 'proud' of your government.

The country is still the land we love, it's the government that has become our enemy.
 
The man did say it was time for a change....he has kept his word there (lol) I love how passionate and emotional you guys are about things you have no control over for the next 4 years.... If we have any CHRISTIANS in this thread the SERENITY Prayer below should be of great help to you when you are feeling outraged about things totally out of your control... Take a deep breath, calm down, resist the immediate urge to spew hatred and repeat..


God, grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
the courage to change the things I can;
and the wisdom to know the difference.

I love all you guys (n girls) here man cause we all share a common bond, our love for cars....I wish yall all the best in these rough times ahead.;)
 

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